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posted January 03, 2010 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn square pluto not counts. To wide orb. You have sun exact on my venus . I cant se anything in your chart as describe your problem to your mother. It could be your mother who are crazy. You can't choice your parents. Sorry.

I've also crazy familymember and took my children 40 miles away. We moved. My family and my exhusbands family came to be raving mad but I not cared.

Today my children thanks me because I did as I did.

You have moon in cancer. There is not easy for a moon cancer to leave her/his mother. Its almost impossible. You also have mars in cancer. Your S.N conj your moon so maybe your mother and you have some kind of karma. Maybe you togheter must solve or work out your karma in this life. For me my feelings are the guide in my life. When I feel I must do, I will do. I can't get inward peace before I did it.

You are a very smart and clever woman with all the deeply feelings you care inside you. Sometimes you not use your best on the best way for your self. I think the moon conj SN are the answer.

The hole gamut of feelings togheter with geminis intelligent shallow seeing from all direction and from everywhere it's not easy sometimes... It's important to find out the best way to treat and do the right thing. Sometime only the time give you the answer. That's not easy to a geminiwoman to wait and take it cool. She want direct quick answer to resolve all problem.

You have mars trine saturn in your chart. You have the capacity to fight. You can live in strong hard circumstances. You are an survivor.

You love to be with friends. It could also be away out of the problem you have. Try to turn your thougths to friends and talk to them. N.N in SAG in house 3.

I cant se chiron have a strong important meaning for you in your life. You have one chiron trine to your venus (4)and that give you a positive personal charm.

Why not try to leave your mother for a while?

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posted January 03, 2010 11:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know you were writing to Ami, popcorn, but you reminded me of the state of my own Moon: conjunct Venus, square Mars, trine Pluto, inconjunct Uranus/ascendant... the Moon/Venus conjunction could show the great relationship that I have with my mother, most of the time; the square to Mars could represent the violence in my home (fourth house), brought about by her boyfriend against me, and another boyfriend towards her.

I think the fifth house indicates children in your life... if you can find out your mother's ascendant, you might see something there.

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posted January 04, 2010 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tease. I have conflict with my mother from the beginning. My moon are hard afflicted from saturn/merk/uran/(PLuto)but I've also positiv aspect from moon to Sun/ASC/MC.

My mother and I have a very good synastry. I've no ide about her birthtime.

We beeing away from each other in 10 year. First now when I'm 45 we can talk to each other.

I can think hers juno/merk on my S.N opp my Venus/N.N/mars could be a part of the problem. Also her uran square my Sun/ASC. The most of our synastry are positiv.. OOKK I've forgot my pluto square her sun .

Suddenly it happends things we cant explain. Also my father and my mother be togheter again after divorced in 10 year. When my father moved I say to him he will be in love again . He is 80. I saw it in his progress. I could in my life not believe it was my mother but but....

My mother(in 72) is changed and now in love.

Love get people kindly and positive. I love it.

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Ami Ann
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posted January 04, 2010 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Popcorn
Thank you so very much for the time you spent looking at my chart.I appreciate your words a great deal. You are so right that friends provide a way out. I am blessed with the most wonderful friends who seem to have a supernatural love for me.
Popcorn, could I give you my M's chart and you could see if there is anything"terrible" n that with regard to me.
I saw her sun in 12th house in Aqua combust mercury opposing my Jupiter. She wanted to undermine my values as a way to keep me from having a separate identity. However, there are many good aspects too so I don't understand it.
xxxoo Ami

Her dates are Jan 25, 1927 at 7 am(I think). She said it was early morning.
It was in Brockton Mass.

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posted January 04, 2010 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Cancer moon makes me out to be a sensitive person with a large emotional field. Very intuitive, nuturing and caring. I love my kids, but right now my baby is not with me and it is extremely difficult not having her here. The cancerian influence wants to hold on to people.

I am a wonderful cook and have an extraordinary memory. My moon falls on my 2/3rd house cusp. I used to work as a cook and have a cooking diploma and if the 3rd I am able to sway my audience....

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posted January 04, 2010 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is interesting, Cynnard. Do you have stomach problems. I feel things in my stomach.

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posted January 06, 2010 07:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami i'm interested in what your husband was like because i'm interested in psychology. You call him a narcissist. What makes you say that, and how did it manifest itself? My dad has various personality disorders in my 100% accurate opinion, one of them being narcissism. Just wanted to compare notes really.

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posted January 06, 2010 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi PDF
I learned about Narcissism (N) from the Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Board . It is run by Dr. Richard Grossman. I have been a member for 3 years.
N is not a condition that many people recognize. You almost have to HAVE an N in your life to understand it.
If your father is an N and you start learning about Narcissism, you will know right away whether or not he fits.
An N stopped developingemotionally, at about 4-5 years old. Their intellect grew but not their emotions.
Essentially, you have a 5 year old in an adults body.
They see others as just existing for their needs. They want all the cookies and don't want anyone else to have any.
They are mean cuz they see relationships as having a winner OR a loser and they don't want to be the loser. They don't understand that all can win and all can co-exist. They must beat everyone else to the top of the hill.
Sam Vaknin wrote the best book on Narcissism---Malignant Self Love.
The paradox is that they don't have true selves and so they overcompensate with a false self. They must keep the false self intact at all costs and you are the cost if you have one for a parent.
Try the Voiceless Board.I will welcome you there! Ami

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That is exactly 100% him. And yes i suffered alot as a result. As i said before he has schizoid personality disorder (in my 100% correct opinion), with narcasism, and also obsessive compulsive disorder. Have you got a link for that site please Ami. Also have you an email address please - you can email it to mine if you want (in sig).
Thanks. Adam

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posted January 06, 2010 04:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Adam
I feel uncomfortable posting my e mail address on the open forum. On the Voiceless Board, you can PM(personal message) to other members.
Look up Dr Richard Grossman--psychologist --Brookline Mass USA. From there, you can go to the Voiceless Board. I hope he is accepting new members. If not, get back to me and I will ask him if he can accept you.
Maybe, he will do it cuz I sometimes he accomodates personal requests.
Get back to me, PDF. xxoo Ami

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Dear Adam
I feel uncomfortable posting my e mail address on the open forum. On the Voiceless Board, you can PM(personal message) to other members.
Look up Dr Richard Grossman--psychologist --Brookline Mass USA. From there, you can go to the Voiceless Board. I hope he is accepting new members. If not, get back to me and I will ask him if he can accept you.
Maybe, he will do it cuz I sometimes he accomodates personal requests.
Get back to me, PDF. xxoo Ami

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posted January 06, 2010 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami Ann, just wanted to add that the current
Pluto transit will give you an opportunity to cut yourself off from either your mpther or your negative emotional ties from your mother.
When Pluto opposes your moon, it has the potential of projecting some serious emotional psychology. Perhaps you will see a trait in yourself, an emotional trait or pattern that you recognise is from your mother and comes to resolve or accept it. By doing this you should also come to resolve issues with your mother.But it will be VERy intense so rest up, eat good food and nurture yourself as much as you can from now until after the transist.

Also Saturn rules the 4th house and trines your Moon... you will emerge stronger so keep
positive.
Your chiron ruler, Uranus is in Cancer 10th house, suggesting a very unstable mother who was very deluded, poosibly addicted to substance or alcohol... (Uranus square Neptune).
Mars also in Cancer can also show an agressive mother who was a bully to her children.

The current Neptune transit opposes your Pluto. You have been for a while questioning things that happened in the past, what was real and what wasn't.... This transit should help dissolve the any confusion.

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posted January 06, 2010 06:29 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami just email me then. My email is in my sig. I won't divulge your email address to anyone. Just so i don't have to go through here everytime i want to speak to you about this.

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posted January 06, 2010 06:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hi Ami Ann,


As a bridge to the outer planets, Chiron has a lot to do with cultural issues; specifically, personal wounds which are rooted in cultural imbalances, and which, in another context, would not be interpreted as wounds at all, but strengths. The challenge is to use this talent or insight, whatever it is, and to claim it as a strength, in a culture where it will mainly be seen and experienced as a wound. "It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society." ~ J. Krishnamurti While Chiron may be interpreted in other ways, the abuse you suffered sounds to me like it would have more to do with Pluto than Chiron. However, Chiron may alert you to questions of how that experience may be related to, and viewed by, the culture. You will always be healing, both yourself and others, and you'll always be perfecting your skills as a healer. Depending on the house position of your Sun, you may express your healing abilities on a more individual basis, or towards the culture as a whole.

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posted January 06, 2010 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear (((Quinnie))
Your post describes my mother so well. I am just a beginner so I could not find her in my chart but you have shown me and I greatly appreciate it. She was a bully--with a capital B. I hope I can get as good as you are some day.
When did the Pluto transit start and how long does it last?
Strangely, I am getting insights about my life with her and I can SEE for the first time how it was without feeling clouded and deluded.
I have Neptune in first house so maybe that is why I could not see the truth.
This sounds silly but it would help to get your advice.
How bad was my mother? In other words, is it a REALLY bad aspect, moderate or mild.It may sound silly but knowing would help me to accept that it was meant to be.
Thanks again! Ami

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posted January 06, 2010 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Valus
Your words are inspiring. If I ever get over this pain, I will have something to offer!
xxxoo Ami

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posted January 07, 2010 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cynnared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure that I do feel things in my stomach, unless i get an anxiety attack and then my stomach is effected and everything wants out of me.....I enjoy food and worked as a cook....

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posted January 07, 2010 08:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Cynnard
My stomach is like a radar. I feel insights and also psychic things in the stomach.
I think as I develop a stronger sense of self, I will be able to use my head to deal with life more rather than my stomach.

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posted January 07, 2010 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your progressed Moon conjunct's it's natal position from now until May-time so this is the
time for you to reflect about matters of how you give and receive, nurture, your emotional self and reactions, as well as issues relating to your mother and childhood.

At the end of this period of reflection you will feel the Pluto influence in full force and it's influence will stay with you for a few years, up until 2012.

Because Pluto moves so slowly it willeffect you for longer and it's effects will more than likely be unconscious, so that by the time the year 2012 draws to an end you will look back and see how it's influence has effected you. You won't necessarily stop mid-cycle and think... ah that pluto doing it's work.

Pluto transforms, breaks down, cuts off (Moon) your feelings, attitude, memories of childhood experience, so you will feel it internally much more than anything else.

What will be inevitable though it letting go... of someone? or some feelings?

At the end of 2011 Saturn will be conjunct your natal Neptune and again this highlights cutting off illusions that you had about life, people etc.You may have some ways of coping with life that you yourself need to change also. Your ideals will mature and you will see life with a stronger vision which will be a great help to you as the Pluto transit will be effecting you also.


"How bad was my mother? In other words, is it a REALLY bad aspect, moderate or mild.It may sound silly but knowing would help me to accept that it was meant to be."

I'm not sure that astrology can tell you that, certainly not planetary astrology. If you post your details to IQ he will give you some amazing insight that come with adding asteroids to your chart.

I cna tell you however that Capricorn in the 4th house shows isolation in childhood, lack of feeling, and with Chiron in the 4th house Aquarius this adds to your pain, instability.
Aquarius and Uranus can be associated with trauma so you were deeply affected by your mother's behaviour, this is especially highlighted because Uranus is in Cancer (sign of the mother), and in the 10th house, it has left HUGE impact in your life's irection also.
Sge has effected your feelings of worth, your position in life, your aspirations for yourself in life, and your own decision to have children.
I would not be surprised if you told me you experienced hurt, feel disempowered and even rejected by your superiors at work etc.

My thoughts are that you will for the first time begin to look at your mother's actions through her eyes, as one adult to another adult, and this will help heal the pain.

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