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vesta
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posted January 10, 2010 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
From other post -

Interesting question you ask. If your chart is already showing you the next lifetime, then wouldn't you just carry whatever karma/lessons with you and it would be integrated into the next chart?

Though, if we do choose our lessons/path, etc, before we incarnate (as is one theory) then you could choose to miss particular karma/lessons in a particular lifetime? Or, they could just carry as a universal law and you repeat them until you learn them?

I think that we just have a set of lessons to learn as a whole - same for everyone - and we just go from lifetime to lifetime (and between lives) until we learn those lessons or reach some point (evolution, enlightenment, whatever). It's a continual growth series lived out through numerous paths and lifetimes. How that fits into each chart is just phenomenal - the synchronicity - just astounds me. Amazing
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I started thinking about this and after looking at my own chart and everything I have researched and been told I believe that is how it works.

Example - I have valentine conjunct Moria in my chart and have been promised by a higher source that true love is comming.
Of course that was after my own death and rebirth and told I had completed all the karmic tasks I needed to complete in this life. I have moon in 6th house once I learned to acept my own body the way it was with the death my body was transformed and I lost all the weight (size 2) smallest I have ever been now I try to keep it off with exercise. So I must have completed my goal in this life and with the death and rebirth get to recieve my reward. The 5th house cusp (the next life) The new cycle begins.

My 5th house cusp - Leo
There will be much happiness in the areas ruled by the 5th house in next life. Here the search for true love will end and be realized. The pleasures of life that have escaped the person in this life will be evident in the next life.

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vesta
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posted January 10, 2010 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message

So, now I think I should try to find out the natal chart of the day and time of my death and rebirth to see what I should be working on now and possibly what is coming.

I read somewhere that you should pull a chart for both the natal and the death rebirth as they will both be important.

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posted January 10, 2010 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Honestly?

I believe, if all Karmic lessons in this life are finished, people die.

I do believe though, that there are cycles in one`s life, and at the end of one cycle (which probably coincides with one karmic lesson learned - but not ALL), there is something like a mental / emotional / spiritual death and rebirth, which will of course also transform you physically.

I definitely think it would make sense to look at the chart for that "rebirth" during one`s present incarnation.

Actually I remember three such pivotal "deaths and births" in my life.


Asteroid PHOINIX is exact conjunct my Chiron on 20.0 Aries and opposing my DNA and Kassandra on 20.2 Libra and trine my Cupido on 19.5 Leo.


The first one was on 12th january 1990, and this was probably the biggest one.

The second one was on 12th february 2001.

The third one was kind of more "process-like" with three pivotal dates:
15th july 2007 (that was the preparation and "epiphany"-part)
21th october 2007 (the death and release-part)
28 / 29th july 2010 (the rebirth, even though my little Me was stubborn enough to try to deny that it had been transformed. lol But well, the scale in my bathroom tells the tale quite visibly,it sais minus 19 kilos. lol)


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posted January 10, 2010 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
I believe, if all Karmic lessons in this life are finished, people die.

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Yes, however pluto is dual in nature, pluto is not just death, it is a spiritual rebirth ( just like Jesus) his was physical death and rebirth was the resurection. It works on a very personal and physical nature as well as the spiritual plane. It is the power of death and also regeneration.
that is why it takes place once the karma/ lesson is finished to regenerate and bring the new.

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posted January 10, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I think I agree. But the thing is if you have finished a karmic lesson, there will be something new, hopefully on a higher level.
That to me means rebirth within one`s life.

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posted January 10, 2010 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
I was told that there are themes or re-occuring patterns to our lessons. We get many opportunities, until the lesson is "fully learned".

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posted January 10, 2010 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message

Saturn the moon the sun, venus Mercury and pluto these six planets relate to the transformation of the physical to the spiritual.

Saturn - represents the sorrow that is connected with the passing of the individual. It is the planet that sets off the death of the physical in order to bring about the transformation of the spiritual.

The moon - does not bring about death but does follow it to conclusion The moon is the soul and it is the soul going back to itself after the passing of the physical body. We have a soul before and after death and the soul is there in both worlds.


The sun - The sun is the spirit in the physical going from the physical to the etherical. This is the transformation of the life.

Venus - this is very important involving the transition, as it designates the beauty wich is the spiritual being takes on upon being recieved into its own realm.

Mercury - also important in the transition as it represents the travel from the physical to the spiritual realm, and it is the communication with the spiritual from the physical.

Pluto - This is the transition ! represents your change from the physical life to the spiritual life.

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posted January 10, 2010 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
VIG,

" was told that there are themes or re-occuring patterns to our lessons"
I agree.
I think when we enter a new cycle we may also get the opportunity to show that we have really learned the lesson

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posted January 11, 2010 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Vesta

Now this is really fascinating. I need to look at my chart and see how that interprets for me. You can see how it all fits and has unfoled for you with the events now being retrospective. I don't think I'll have that viewpoint. This is a really interesting topic. I thought about it a lot last night and today.

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posted January 11, 2010 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
How would you interpret Valentine conjunct MC?

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posted January 11, 2010 06:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
ViG

That makes sense. I can see that.

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