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Glaucus
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posted January 12, 2010 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Today, I realized that I don’t believe in zodiac sign astrology any more.
I am only going to focus on geometry,aspects,harmonics as well as use not only ecliptic longitude coordinates but also declinations and right ascension. I want to focus on the planetary nodes (both heliocentric and geocentric) in ecliptic longitude and right ascension.

I might also use golden section aspects devised by Theodor Landscheidt who was also the pioneer of the use geocentric planetary nodes. Golden section aspects would only be given a 1 degree orb like he used.


summer of 2008, I was 50 percent into mainstream astrology as I started leaning more towards cosmobiology

summer of 2009, I was 30 percent into mainstream Astrology that included changes in house system after studying polar region chart issues. which also was a factor in doing away with houses altogether. I also found out that I can do an extensive,accurate reading without the house systems.

talking to some people that already have doubts or stop believing in tropical zodiac also influenced my views.

Now I am 0 percent into mainstream Astrology.

I am more into the work of Reinhold Ebertin,Theodor Landscheidt,Johannes Kepler as well as Philip Sedgwick (transneptunians,centaurs).

Raymond

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posted January 12, 2010 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for listenstotrees     Edit/Delete Message
'Tis good to keep thinking and questioning.

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posted January 12, 2010 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Where can I learn more about this? Any books you recommend?

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posted January 13, 2010 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I like the following books:

Keywords For Astrology by Hajo Banzhaf and Anna Haebler
good for learning about planetary aspects

Dynamics Of Aspect Analysis by Bil Tierney
good for learning about aspects,aspect patterns, aspect pattern apex planets, retrograde planets, stationary planets,unaspected planets

Cosmobiology For the 21st Century by Eleonora Kimmel
good for learning about aspects,midpoints,declinations

The Node Book by Zipporah Pottenger Dobyns
good for learning about the lunar nodes,geocentric planetary nodes,geocentric asteroid nodes (Ceres,Vesta,Pallas,and Juno)

Astrology and the Evolution of Consciousness by Maurice Fernandez
good for learning about Solar,Lunar aspects with an evolutionary,karmic,reincarnation perspective

Horoscope Symbols by Robert Hand
great all around book, has keywords for 2 planetary combinations

Sabian Aspect Orbs by Robert Blaschke
good for learning about the harmonic concept of aspects


Heliocentric Planetary Nodes http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.14.html

The Golden Section: A Cosmic Principle
Golden Section Aspects by Theodor Landscheidt http://bourabai.narod.ru/landscheidt/consider.htm


Philip Sedgwick's Galactic Trilogy is strongly recommended for learning about centaurs and transneptunians http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

I just want to add

Just because I don't believe in Zodiac Sign Astrology any more doesn't mean that it's wrong to use. To me, it's not about what is right or wrong. It's about what I feel comfortable with. I just want a 21st Century approach to Astrology with an emphasis on geometry and harmonics as well as the equatorial coordinates of declinations and Right Ascension to go with the regular coordinates of ecliptic longitude. The astronomers locate objects by declinations and Right Ascension, and they record the geocentric nodes of objects with Right Ascension measurements. Therefore,it makes sense to use not only the geocentric nodes of objects in ecliptic longitude but also Right Ascension. The same approach will be used with the heliocentric nodes of objects.


Golden Section Aspects based on Theodor Landscheidt's work

He only used them with the ecliptic longitude coordinates,but I want to use them with Right Ascension coordinates too.

only 1 degree orb with the planets
if using the transneptunians,asteroids,centaurs, 30 minutes of arc


gs1 21'15
gs2 34'24
gs3 42'29
gs4 47'30
gs5 55'35
gs6 68'48
gs7 111'15
gs8 124'22
gs9 132'29
gs10 137'30
gs11 145'37
gs12 158'45

Raymond


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posted January 13, 2010 03:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
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Today, I realized that I don’t believe in zodiac sign astrology any more.
I am only going to focus on geometry,aspects,harmonics as well as use not only ecliptic longitude coordinates but also declinations and right ascension. I want to focus on the planetary nodes (both heliocentric and geocentric) in ecliptic longitude and right ascension.
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Though this is an admirable and astronomically precise study, what will be the practically useful goal of this approach ?

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posted January 13, 2010 03:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
it could be used for psychological insights,understanding personality. It could be used for looking at events, especially when using transits,solar arc,secondary progressions. It can also be used for relationship analysis too.

It can also be used for Medical Astrology too. Theodor Landscheidt discussed how the geocentric nodes can be used for medical astrological insights, and Carl Payne Tobey discussed about the heliocentic nodes can be used for medical astrology insights.

just like Cosmobiology puts little emphasis on zodiac signs (they pretty much just use them as reference points to figure out their aspects) and don't use house. That's a very practical system which can even be scientific. That system is extensively used for looking at events. It's the system that I prefer to use when it comes to Medical Astrology.

Ruth Brummond's way of doing Uranian Astrology doesn't use zodiac signs nor house systems either. She has developed a more psychological approach in Uranian Astrology. That's why I like her Rulebook interpretations for aspects, midpoint configurations. Of course,it could also be used for events and medical astrology.

the use of the transneptunians could be used to look at evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences. the same with their heliocentric and geocentric nodes

the centaurs might be similar......the same with their heliocentric and geocentric nodes

asteroids could be used for overall finetuning.....the same with their heliocentric and geocentric nodes


using declinations and Right Ascension (equatorial latitude and longitude) along with the ecliptic longitude (which is the zodiac) would be for a more multidimensional view of the chart.

I'd use smaller orbs for aspects compared to most astrologers too. No more than 5 degrees for major aspects. It's pretty much the orbs that Robert Hand recommended in his book,HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS.

Over 1 month ago,I did an extensive,accurate reading without using houses and very little emphasis on zodiac signs. Her zodiac sign placements had aspects that had affinity with them like she had Moon in Aquarius, but it oppose her Saturn with Uranus squaring the opposition.

Just yesterday after I made my decision about not using zodiac signs nor houses in Astrology, she actually told me that she is now involved with a much younger guy that she met on New Year's Eve. Before that happened, I told her that with transiting Uranus square her Sun-Venus conjunction that love,romance could come to her unexpectedly within 2 months. She told me how she didn't want to get involved with anybody because of bad relationships. I asked her to keep an open mind about the possibilities. She definitely changed her mind. hahahahhaha

but yeah, what I told her turned out to be true. That was just looking at her transits without using the houses. I can see how cosmobiologists do well with their system without a house system. It was Cosmobiology that made me believe that I can do Astrology without a house system, especially if I focus mainly on the aspects with additional things like the planetary nodes. I think it's probably the use of midpoint pictures that seem to take the place of house systems in Cosmobiology.

I would only use the golden section aspects in natal charts.


Raymond

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posted January 13, 2010 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
in regards to why I told her about the relationship within 2 months

I saw that her Sun is in 24'17 Gemini and Venus is in 23'29 Gemini

transiting Uranus went stationary Direct in 22'42 Pisces on the day that I met her and gave her a reading on December 1, 2009. The reading ended on December 2nd early in the morning.

Therefore, I noticed that it was squaring her Venus within 1 degree. I checked the ephemeris to see when transiting Uranus would be exactly square her Venus, and that was January 14, 2010. Then I saw that her Sun/Venus midpoint was in 23'53 Gemini, and that transiting Uranus was soon to be squaring that Sun/Venus midpoint. I saw that transiting Uranus will be exactly square her Sun/Venus midpoint on Jan 24, 2010. I also checked to see when transiting Uranus will be exactly square her Sun which is not just self expression,ego, but also the archetypal male. I saw the date for that was Feb 2nd.

As you see, I gave her a reading on December 1st and tracked her Uranus transits squares to her Venus,Sun/Venus midpoint,and Sun up to Feb 2nd.

That's a 2 month span.

Therefore,I told her that a significant unexpected relationship could happen within 2 months.

on New Year's Eve which is the day that she met the man,

transiting Uranus was in 23'05 Pisces
square her Venus in 23'29 Gemini
square her Sun/Venus midpoint in 23'53 Gemini
square her Sun in 24'17 Gemini


I am a believer of focusing on using 1 degree orb.....focusing on only the applying aspects until the aspect is exact to the very minute.


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posted January 13, 2010 05:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Today, I realized that I don’t believe in zodiac sign astrology any more.
I am only going to focus on geometry,aspects,harmonics

I'm a little confused.

Do you mean that you won't focus on particular planets in particular signs.. rather just the aspects between them?

So for example if someone is a Taurus with Scorpio Moon.. you won't focus on the interpretations of Taurus Sun or Scorpio Moon.. rather *just* the Sun-Moon opposition as an aspect..

Did I oversimplify that? I wasn't sure if that's what you meant.

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posted January 13, 2010 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

vapor-lash,

yeah.......just focus on the aspects between planets,points


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posted January 13, 2010 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
also at the time that I gave her the astrological reading

transiting stationary direct Uranus in 22'42 Pisces was in a grand trine with my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio and my retrograde transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino,Orcus in 22'28 Cancer.

The transit could reflect my astrological insight into relationships. It could also signify the turning point of changing my style of Astrology with Orcus being a plutino,can be about transformation. With Orcus being a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate, it could involve evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences.


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posted January 13, 2010 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond -

Ah Ok! That's interesting.
The closest aspects are always very significant. They have a clear influence on the personality or situation in question.

Have you abandoned zodiac signs, because you believe they have no influence at all.. or because you believe their influence is insignificant in contrast to the aspect-influence.. and thus not worth taking into consideration?

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posted January 13, 2010 05:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry - I only just read this

quote:
Just like Cosmobiology puts little emphasis on zodiac signs (they pretty much just use them as reference points to figure out their aspects) and don't use house. That's a very practical system which can even be scientific.

I'm not at all familiar with Cosmobiology. I'll have a look at the books - links you posted!

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posted January 13, 2010 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
On developing your own system


"It's about what I feel comfortable with."
Yes, that is very true.

Actually I agree with all your theories, especiall on the houses, and yet I am still using them.
But I also noticed a change in my interpretations, as I am focusing more and more on aspects-pattern, especially those which are exact.


That example is interesting:

"transiting Uranus was in 23'05 Pisces
square her Venus in 23'29 Gemini
square her Sun/Venus midpoint in 23'53 Gemini
square her Sun in 24'17 Gemini"

I have Sun on 25°56 Sag and Mercury on 25°03 Sag, and the midpoint is of course at 25°30 Sag, and when Uranus was squaring this conjunction, my brain was getting really active.

In her case now, there was a midpoint configuration with both planets aspecting each other.
Do you think it would have had such an effect, too, if they hadn´t been in aspect to each other?

Let me take myself as an example:
Sun on 25°56 Sag
Venus on 6°07 Capricorn

Sun/Venus on 00°02 Capricorn

Would Tr-Uranus squaring 00 Capricorn be in effect in my chart?


Or this one:
Venus is on 6°07 Capricorn
Jupiter/Uranus-mp is on 6°16 Capricorn.

So when Tr- Uranus is on 6 Aries, would it be a lucky time for me? (my IC is on 4°57 Aries, so I guess it will at least be an exciting time. lol)

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posted January 13, 2010 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
DD,

Good questions.

All I can say is that I don't know.

The lady's Sun-Venus conjunction was close any way.

I just thought that the Sun-Venus conjunction was at its strongest at its Sun/Venus midpoint. Therefore, I figured that a transit to that midpoint would be very significant. I am not sure about transits to a midpoint that is not from a major aspect.

Transiting Pluto is conjuncting my Sun/Moon midpoint,if a significant event happens during that transit. Is it really the Sun/Moon midpoint working or is it my Sun trine Moon with 2'10 orb? That's something that I am trying to consider. Also my Sun is in a cazimi with transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino Ixion with only 5 minutes of arc. So transiting Pluto is also conjuncting my Moon/Ixion midpoint at this time too.


The Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers believe that transits to midpoints work regardless if they are in aspect or not, and so transits to a midpoint could possibly work. Of course,if that midpoint is in a midpoint picture, then a event could happen involving the combination of those 3 planets. I have Jupiter conjunct Moon/Ascendant midpoint with 2 minutes of arc, transiting Jupiter square my Jupiter could be a relationship due to it also squaring my Moon/Ascendant midpoint.

so I don't see why transiting Uranus square the conjunction of your Venus conjunct Jupiter/Uranus midpoint wouldn't be a lucky time for you. Transiting Uranus square your Sun/Venus midpoint could work.


when I found out that my mom was hospitalized,almost died, transiting Saturn was in a yod with my Moon sextile Sedna of 39 minutes of arc in Right Ascension, it opposing my Moon/Sedna midpoint exact to the minute.


I want to check out transits,solar arcs,secondary progressions to the geocentric planetary nodes

Transiting Jupiter is trining my natal Geocentric North Mercury Node with 34 minutes of arc applying - optimistic thoughts,expansion of the mind

My secondary progressed Moon is opposing my natal North Geocentric Neptune Node with 15 minutes of arc applying and squaring my natal South Geocentric Mercury Node with 2 minutes of arc separating. - increased emotional idealism,sensitivity adding to theme of my natal Moon square Neptune. thinking more emotional.


My secondary progressed Sun is opposing my natal Geocentric North Mars Node with 47 minutes of arc applying. - express myself with more passion, more assertive,aggressive, need to avoid violence and fights

My secondary progressed Ascendant is squaring my natal Geocentric South Saturn Node with 36 minutes of arc applying - more serious,practical in relating to others

My secondary progressed Mars is sextiling my
natal Geocentric Saturn Node with 39 minutes of arc applying. acting with discipline, constructive actions


the heliocentric nodes involving secondary progressions more interesting

My secondary progressed Sun oppose/conjunct my natal heliocentric Uranus Nodes exact to the very minute! - I think is my release of mainstream Astrology and focusing on 21st Century........of course it's also my Solar Arc Sun oppose/conjunct my natal heliocentric Uranus Nodes exact to the minute too.

My secondary progressed Venus oppose/conjunct my natal heliocentric Jupiter Nodes with 49 minutes of arc applying - it could be good for love,relationships. I have Venus trine Jupiter in my current Solar Return chart. I will also start having Solar Arc Venus conjunct natal Geocentric South Jupiter Node in a few months. I have a natal aspect of Venus trine Geocentric North Jupiter Node. A strong Venus-Jupiter theme.

My secondary progressed Mars sextile/trine my natal heliocentric Mercury Nodes with 39 minutes of arc applying - I am going to have Secondary progressed Mars trine my natal Mercury soon. I have Mercury oppose/conjunct heliocentric Mercury Nodes. The secondary progressed Mars is triggering that aspect.

I wouldn't bother with transits to heliocentric nodes because that would be like looking at transits to fixed stars - too generational. If you were to use house systems, then transit to a heliocentric planetary node in house could be personal.


page 22 of The Node Book by Zipporah Pottenger Dobyns

"Testing so far has been mostly focused on the natal positions of the nodes, watching for ways in which they indicate personality factors, but evidence is accumulating to support the value of progressed aspects and transits touching natal natal nodes, and of the progressed positions of the nodes. There is also evidence for the importance of aspects between the nodes of one individual and the planets,angles,or other features in the charts of other people in his/her life. In some cases, the geocentric positions of the nodes of Venus and Mars helped to explain strong attractions and frictions between two individuals: Uranus may show a galvanizing effect, Saturn may indicate a sense of pressure of debt,etc."


Raymond

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posted January 13, 2010 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
I'm skeptical of zodiac signs as well. Especially the whole system of whether a planet is exalted or detriment or fall, etc.. If that supposed planet that is fall and is very well aspected, it counter-acts the whole dignity system.

Plus I don't like how generalized zodiac signs can be, to this day I try to explain to others that your Sun sign is just a smidgeon of the infinite possibilities that can be discovered using astrology.

I just recently started interpreting lunar returns and solar arcs, and I'm impressed by my intuitive knowledge that I've acquired over the years. I'll have to find those books you suggested about cosmobiology.

That women you were talking about has natal Venus at almost the same degrees as my natal Venus at 24'41 Gemini, once Uranus went direct I've noticed a lot more unpredictability as far as Venusian things, but still no relationship, instead I'm working on myself like doing chakra healing and manifesting my creative energy to use for healing purposes. But I really don't relate to the supposed qualities of Venus in Gemini, its opposed by Saturn and Uranus in the natal, so that probably explains it... When did you start using the whole sign system?

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posted January 13, 2010 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond,


"I just thought that the Sun-Venus conjunction was at its strongest at its Sun/Venus midpoint. Therefore, I figured that a transit to that midpoint would be very significant."
Yes, I agree. That makes sense.

"Transiting Pluto is conjuncting my Sun/Moon midpoint,if a significant event happens during that transit. Is it really the Sun/Moon midpoint working or is it my Sun trine Moon with 2'10 orb? That's something that I am trying to consider."
Yes, that is one of the things I try to find out, too. WHAT is it that is really causing the effect?



"In some cases, the geocentric positions of the nodes of Venus and Mars helped to explain strong attractions"
Independently on their own?
Without other strong (more traditional) attraction aspects?


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posted January 13, 2010 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"That women you were talking about has natal Venus at almost the same degrees as my natal Venus at 24'41 Gemini, once Uranus went direct I've noticed a lot more unpredictability as far as Venusian things, but still no relationship, instead I'm working on myself like doing chakra healing and manifesting my creative energy to use for healing purposes. But I really don't relate to the supposed qualities of Venus in Gemini, its opposed by Saturn and Uranus in the natal, so that probably explains it... When did you start using the whole sign system?"


but you lost your virginity with transiting Uranus square your Venus though. That transit could fit with that, especially when it comes to the unexpected when it comes to intimacy,sensuality,affections. It involved your Varuna and Haumea in aspect to Venus. Remember with the Haumea, I was hoping that you used protection because Haumea is named after Hawaiian fertility goddess. Therefore,it was possible that it could be a time for conception.

Transiting Uranus square Venus is the unexpected. It can be very unstable. You never know how an intimate encounter could turn out during transiting Uranus in hard aspect to Venus.

even for that lady, there is no telling what's going to happen to her in regards to that guy. I pointed to her how unpredictable things can be during that transit. They could break up. He could suddenly dump her or she could suddenly dump him. With transiting Uranus square Venus, her attractions could be very changeable due to a more restless nature. She has Moon square Uranus in her natal chart.

She just met the guy on New Year's Eve just like you and the guy met each other on New Year's Eve.

the guy is considerably younger than her,and it could end up being a issue later on. Maybe not. Free will is the ultimate factor.


heck..I can't remember when I used the whole sign house system. I think it was September of last year. Now I don't even use a house system. The whole house system would depend on which zodiac system that you use. Vedic Astrologers use a whole sign house system with Sidereal Zodiac.


btw...the chakra healing is good way to use your Uranus transits.

Raymond

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posted January 13, 2010 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Independently on their own?
Without other strong (more traditional) attraction aspects?"

She didn't say in her book.
I would think that there would be other indicators for attraction.

for example

my exgf's South Venus Node conjunct my Mars,and my South Mars Node oppose her Venus.

her Venus trine my Ascendant, and our Ascendants were in opposition.....my Ascendant linked to her Venus sextile Ascendant.

Cosmobiologists,Uranian Astrologers would point out that our Suns aspect each other's Venus/Mars midpoints within 1 degree.
My Moon conjunct her Venus/Midheaven midpoint too. Her Venus oppose my Sun/Venus midpoint.


Raymond


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posted January 13, 2010 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I wish I had the time to look into advanced astrology. I'll stick to what I know.

Have fun in your explorative journey!!!

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I look forward when transit uranus square my natal venus 28,3 in gemini. When transit uranus will be in 27,01 in pisces it conj my Draconic venus... so exciting... my house 7 ruler are uranus...

I believe my quiet period is over

the eclipse tomorrow and all strong aspect to my chart feels in whole my soul and body

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posted January 13, 2010 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"I'm skeptical of zodiac signs as well. Especially the whole system of whether a planet is exalted or detriment or fall, etc.. If that supposed planet that is fall and is very well aspected, it counter-acts the whole dignity system."

I am with you on that. I've struggled with the concepts of exalted,fall,detriment,domicile.

it depends on the zodiac house system.

My Venus is in detriment in tropical Scorpio.
Vedic Astrologers would say that my Venus is at home in Libra because they use the Sidereal Zodiac. In Vedic Astrology,my Sun is in fall in Libra unlike my Sun in Scorpio in Tropical Zodiac.


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Hopefully popcorn, you'll handle the Uranus square to Venus better than I have!

Wow Glaucus, good memory, unpredictability definitely defines Uranus square Venus, I think this is the last round, luckily, then once T. Jupiter is near 24 degrees Pisces it will square natal Venus, hopefully that will be a little easier to handle. Uranus creates such kinetic energy, I'm finally starting to realize, grounding is essential to a peace of mind.

In fact I just found out that one of my close friends that I was sorta romantically involved with moved back to the east coast and I had not idea, I thought he just stopped talking to me because he didn't want to hang out, so I stopped putting an effort to try and see him, when low and behold he had his own issues and it didn't have to do with me at all, note this is the day after my chakra healing and I realized I was never rejected like I had assumed, everything seems so different now! This year is the hanged man tarot card year for me and its all about seeing things from different perspectives.

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posted January 14, 2010 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AscTaurus     Edit/Delete Message
Good for you dude. But then again, no-one said that you should "believe" in it.

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I'm also ignoring the signs, haven't used them for over 10 years. I do use tight aspects, lunations, fixed stars, precession, midpoints, Arabic parts, asteroids.

Here are a couple of links. This first one is from a book by Deborah Houlding about how the zodiac originated: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/zodiachistory.html "In its beginnings the zodiac was a convenient celestial measuring device, unrelated to astrological activity."

This next one is about the sidereal zodiac: http://www.onereed.com/articles/sidereal-tropical.html "The great astrologer Johannes Kepler had a solution to this problem - he basically abandoned the zodiac and built his astrological system around the aspects between the planets. He thought that the zodiac itself was merely a human geometry exercise and primarily served to aid the memory of astrologers as they computed aspects in their heads."

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From: peace.angel@live.com.au
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posted January 14, 2010 05:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Really interesting conversation.

Funkstar, the article by Bruce Scofield was really good. I enjoyed reading that.

I thought this statement was really interesting:

quote:
"Another observation of mine is that many people who are good at technical astrology are generally not as strong in handling personality delineations, and vice versa."

This is something that I've been thinking about for the past couple of days. Reading this thread made me realise just how disinterested I am (and have always been) in the actual workings of astrology and how I'm much more inclined to the personality interpretations. That's just what I like to do and how I've always used astrology. In all honesty, it's self-interest and understanding/learning that brought me to astrology and keeps me interested.

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