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Agent_009
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posted January 19, 2010 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
Vesta's thread on PE's ( http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203132.html ), got me curious and led me to find this:


The distance the key planet lies ahead of the PE in the zodiac defines the time period between the last transition and the present rebirth. The number of degrees of arc separating the 2 points equates to one year of time; one minute equals approximately 6 days plus 2 hours. By working backwards from the present birth date and interpolating for minutes of arc, one can arrive at the approximate date of the last transition. It has been generally accepted that the average number of years between one birth and the next rebirth is 144 years with 72 years allotted to the earth plane and 72 years to the higher plane. However, studies indicate that many people spend much longer than the average on one plane or the other and some people reincarnate very quickly, in matter of days or even hours. An almost immediate reincarnation is associated with sudden death due to accident or an act of violence that occurs to an individual unprepared for transition. According to Figure 1, Chapter 1, Paul apparently reincarnated in about 15years, 7 months and 3 days give or take a day or so (15 degrees and 35 minutes separating his key planet and PE) after his last transition, whereas Martin spent a much longer time on the higher plane, almost 112 years.

The key planet, by its nature as it operates in the sign and house it occupies, yields information as to the cause of death at the last transition. Its aspects give more details, with an afflicted malefic connected with the natal 8th house associated with an accident (Mars), criminal act (Pluto), suicide (Neptune), or other unnatural cause as described by the aspect and planet involved. Uranus always describes some sort of sudden death, violent or not, which can be discerned from related aspects. Easy aspects to planet linked in some way to the 8th house are associated with a natural, peaceful death, indicating that the person was prepared for transition; hard aspects indicate otherwise.

One's sex in the immediate past life corresponds to the gender of the key planet with one exception. Mercury. Because Mercury is androgynous, it takes on the sex of the sign it occupies. The feminine planets are the Moon, Venus & Neptune; masculine planets are the Sun, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus & Pluto. Some astrologers view Pluto as feminine. Considering the fact that more males are born, even though more females survive, it's logical to surmise that planetary gender is weighted toward the masculine side. Note that Paul, with the Sun as his key planet, was male in his immediate past life; Martin, with Venus as his key planet was female.

The key planet is also descriptive of the previous personality and the station one held during that lifetime. Several possibilities exist as each planet has diverse attributes. For instance, the Moon as key planet not only denotes female personality, but might also describe one who had strong Cancerian qualities and probably was a member of the common populace. The Sun is associated with a male of aristocratic lineage; Mercury suggests the intellectual or writer; Venus, a princess or member of a harem; Mars, an adventurer or military man; Jupiter a member of the clergy; Saturn a politican; Uranus a scientist or radical rabble rouser; Neptune a seafarer; Pluto a powerful figure whose aspects give clues as to whether this power was used for good or ill. These are just a few of numerous possibilities. Keep in mind that each planet is associated with multiple characteristics and, in analyzing its meaning as it refers to a past life, all ramifications must be considered within the framework of the house and sign the planet occupies & its aspects.

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vesta
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posted January 19, 2010 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Also to add

The PNE ( prenatal eclipse) is the solar eclipse that took place prior to birth. The lunar eclipse that took place prior to birth is linked to the solar but more on an emotional level.
Then there is the initial eclipse that took place in the series of eclipses. The initial eclipse is influenced by the sign ruler and the decan as well as the duad. It will also influence the rest of the eclipses in that series durring your life.
The natal planets that make aspect to the PNE will show karma.
The key planet is the ruler of your prenatal eclipse point and if your PNE is in SAG then jupiter is the ruler of your PNE

an aspect from A's PNE to a point in B's horoscope represents a karmic link. One that implies the two have had a past life contact is exact major aspects including the inconjunct carring the most weight with karmic debts and assets.(1 degree orb)
Squares, inconjuncts and oppositions indicate debts owed by the person whose PNE aspects the other person's chart.

Trines and sextiles do not indicate karmic debt they indicate a prior relationship in which debts have been cleared.

A conjunction is interpreted acording to the nature of the planet involved. It indicated the need to unify.

The closer the aspect the stronger the karmic tie.You can allow an orb up to 5 degree but the closer the greater impact on each other's life.
Wider aspects show an association but more of a casual one.(2-3 degree orb )
Exact aspects link the charts of married couples, lovers, children ect...
It may refer to a past life association or one in the present or both.

Hope you don't mind me adding this info Agent.

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Agent_009
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posted January 19, 2010 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Agent_009     Edit/Delete Message
Vesta,
actually thanks for adding that...I accidently left out the link to your thread.

You know the part about Key planet & determining your sex in the previous life? I'm not sure if I'm even doing this right but...my Key planet should be Sun right?? cuz the eclipse happened in Leo for me? But then I proceeded to figure out roughly the time era when I had "died," in my previous incarnation. I would've been a man cuz my key planet is Sun??
[The Sun is associated with a male of aristocratic lineage.]
...but I had some past life recall and I'm almost sure I was a woman around that time era?? although the aristocratic part made sense to me, cuz I'm pretty sure I belonged to high society at that time. I'm confused.

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vesta
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posted January 19, 2010 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
I think you are right, I was supposed to be male as well but I believe I was a woman and Jupiter rules the clergy not sure if that is accurate but I may have been very religious in my past life.

I do know that the karmic links work!
between me and my Husband
His PNE - opp my POM (He owes me marriage)
His initial E - conjunct my sun/moon mid (he owes me a Relationship)
His lunar - conjunct my vertex (fated)

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Lara
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posted January 19, 2010 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
What is an INITIAL E please?

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vesta
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posted January 19, 2010 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,
the initial E is the initial eclipse point in the series of eclipses.(saros series)

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Lara
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posted January 20, 2010 01:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Ok thanks. So how do i find that then please? I have a list of eclipses so how do i know which one is the Initial one?
sorry to be a dork!

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vesta
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posted January 20, 2010 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,
Initial eclipse - 22 Pisces

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posted January 20, 2010 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message
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Lara
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posted January 20, 2010 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Ok thanks. So how do i find that then please? I have a list of eclipses so how do i know which one is the Initial one?
sorry to be a dork!

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Lara
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posted January 20, 2010 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Thank YOU Vesta!

Thank you. 22' pisces conjunct's this mans NN (1) !
Do you know what that means please?

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vesta
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posted January 20, 2010 09:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message

Maybe it is destined, I don't really know you would have to look at the other eclipses and aspects they make.

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Lara
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posted January 20, 2010 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I did, posted on your other thread though
The only one i don't have is IE for him which doesn't really matter as mine was same as my LE so can i just use that?

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amowls*
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posted January 20, 2010 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Idk, seems to me that if planets are gendered AND signify what you were in your past life, then only males can be kings, rabblerousers, adventurers or members of the clergy. I'm sure there were plenty of female clergy members, rabblerousers and adventurers.

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