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Topic: Prenatal eclipse in sagittarius and Libra
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vesta
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posted January 17, 2010 02:49 PM
 
A sagittarius prenatal eclipse is associated with The search for the ultimate truth, The development of spiritual philosophy and the gaining of spiritual wisdom. Many people with this aspect are drawn toward organized religions, mental expansion groups or the study of foreign cultures. This placement suggests a karmic relationship with a grandchild or perhaps an in- law.
a prenantal eclipse in Libra plays a large role in relationships and usually attracts parterners and other with whom one shares karmic ties This placement usually suggests a marriage or other association that is karmic in nature it may also point to a karmic relation with a niece or nephew.
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posted January 18, 2010 10:07 AM
was thinking about the prenatal solar eclipse vs the lunar and the lunar is more of how one reacts to the karmic situations, it deals with charcteristics from the past more of our subconcious than the karma in this life that is more in line with the solar. Apparently one can find a country or city where one was at at some point in history by drawing a line from the prenatal eclipse point to the ending point allowing a 5 degree perimeter north, south, east and west. It may even indicate a former nationality.Do not count a lunar eclipse as the prenatal point it is always a solar prior to birth. The key planet (ruler) only deals with the immediate prior past life. Although the prenatal eclipse gives clues to any and all prior incarnations. The distance between the prenatal eclipse and the key planet defines the time period between the last transition and the present rebirth. Aspects formed by transiting and progressed planets can activate dormant potentials associated with the prenatal eclipse. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 10:26 AM
Aquarius - This person has the unique opportunity to change the karmic course they have set upon if they so desire. This placement encourages a innovative approach and novel solutions to karmic problems. However, the actions must be geared to fit the situation. Relationships that imply karmic links are son-in-law and daughter-in-law as well as friends. People who have prenatal eclipse in Aquarius find humanitarian groups and futuristic organizations appealing. Most show an interest in astrology and related sciences.IP: Logged |
DD
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posted January 18, 2010 10:40 AM
This is very intersting.But what is the keyplanet?
The planet that rules the ASC in my natal chart?
or the planet that rules the ecclipse itself? or the planet that rules the ASC of the ecclipse chart? IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 10:48 AM
The key planet is the one that rules the eclipse itself Mine is jupiter as well as yours since we have the same eclipse point.
I also read that the key planet can give info to how one died in the past life as well as gender, personality and status. So ones gender in the immediate past life corresponds with the gender of the key planet. Except Mercury because mercury is androgynous so it takes on the sex of the sign it occupies. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 11:33 AM
DD, Your prenatal eclipse point conjunct the sun indicates that you have atained self mastery through past life experiences and capable of self motivation within the limits of the sign occupied by the sun. Mercury conjunct the prenatal eclipse point shows - One need to use the reasoning powers and a sense of logic to resolve karmic problems. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 11:40 AM
The moon conjunct shows - an understanding of past life experiences and their impact upon the present and will manifest in the from of instinct and psychic awarness, you are aware of where you are on the karmic wheel and what action to take to insure progress. Be careful not to repeat mistakes as this will insure karmic setbacks.The Moon square points to emotional blocks that interfere with ones ability to recognize karmic obligations, points to a karmic debt that one does not want to remember because he or she does not want to admit responsibility, In the past the person has taken the easy way out, shifted the blame or belittled the seriousness of the offense, They must make an effort to resolve the situation The house occupied by the moon and other aspects will point to the karmic obligation. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 11:45 AM
Vesta,this sounds really interesting, and the Sun and Mercury conjunction to the ecclipse resonate with me, especially the Mercury one. But I really can`t relate to having been masculine in my most recent life. I mean, I am sure I have been masculine in some of my past lives, but I don`t think I was in the most recent one. Anyway is the ecclipse point conjunct your moon? IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 11:48 AM
No, I am Moon square to the eclipse. The Moon square points to emotional blocks that interfere with ones ability to recognize karmic obligations, points to a karmic debt that one does not want to remember because he or she does not want to admit responsibility, In the past the person has taken the easy way out, shifted the blame or belittled the seriousness of the offense, They must make an effort to resolve the situation The house occupied by the moon and other aspects will point to the karmic block. I love the easy way out and I don't know what the Karmic debt is so it just makes it even more difficult. If I knew or understood I would just resolve the issue or at least try. even more interesting because it trines my Chiron and is conjunct my valentine.
And with someone else his lunar is conjunct my IC in cancer and his solar is conjunct my name in his chart in Aquarius, both less than 1 degree orb.
Aquarius - This person has the unique opportunity to change the karmic course they have set upon if they so desire. This placement encourages a innovative approach and novel solutions to karmic problems. However, the actions must be geared to fit the situation. Relationships that imply karmic links are son-in-law and daughter-in-law as well as friends. People who have prenatal eclipse in Aquarius find humanitarian groups and futuristic organizations appealing. Most show an interest in astrology and related sciences. after reading my info on karma and the nodes I am beginning to wonder If writing is the right idea. Your Sagittarian quest for meaning and truth takes you into the mysterious and powerful waters of the Eighth House, something your fiery, spirited energy might find more than a bit unsettling. You'd probably rather be heading off to the airport to grab a last-minute flight to the Himalayas, but in this lifetime you've signed on to dive deep, instead of traveling far and wide, to find your answers and retrieve your power. What's more, if you do gallop off on your own, you're just not going to get the job done. An essential part of the assignment is to establish a deep, intense, bonded connection with someone, and share your experiences and beliefs and feelings with a person who has their own unique point of view. I'll bet the "deep, intense, bonded" part is sending a shiver up that freedom-loving Sagittarian spine of yours, right? Well, this is North Node work, after all.
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posted January 18, 2010 01:09 PM
I wonder if it means anything that my ecclipse point is not only conjunct my Proserpina, but someone else`s Karma.IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 02:49 PM
DD,
It could mean something as some people have prenatal eclipse ties and they feel as though they know each other, or they leave a very strong impression upon you. It is because they most likley have karmic ties. A great example is JFK and his wife.
His PNE (prenatal eclipse) is 2.45 Aquarius exact opp her natal Mercury and her PNE is 18.07 exact conjunct his natal mars ruler of his natal seventh house in that house and trines his natal moon. His Initial Eclipse at 28 Leo conjuncts her MC and her Initial at 22 Libra conjuncts his natal ASC. There was little doubt that this was a karmic match. Karmic Aspects like these are most often found in charts of married couples. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 02:58 PM
Thought not all are quite so pleasurable.
A good example is Lee Harvey Oswald. Who ended the marriage as a third party Who's PNE was inconjunct Jaquline PNE and squared her Pluto in her 8th house His eclipse formed an exact inconjunct Kennedy's Mars an aspect suggestive of a dangerous association in a past life. Though most are not like this !
Most of the time the associations are warm,kind ect... IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 03:02 PM
Infrequently a person's prenatal eclipse both of which aspect a third party's horoscope. A common prenatal aspect acts as a karmic bridge which bings the two together in order to work out karmic obligations with a third party. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 03:05 PM
So it would make sense to compare the ecclipse point to another one`s chart, you suspect having karmic ties with?BTW what is an initial ecclipse? IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 03:09 PM
I don't know what the initial eclipse point is yet but I will find out. (hopefully)! I think it does make sense to compare as I went to a karmic astrologer and that was one of the things he did look at. That is what made me interested in PNE'S Is you PNE conjunct Judes Karma?
I find it wierd that Johnny PNE is exact conjunct His Jenny. and Lunar which is connected to the solar is conjunct MY IC exact. Also sign conjunct my Mars ruler of my Seventh house(scorpio) and trine my Pluto. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 03:11 PM
So I would compare 21 Sagittarius to someone else`s chart?
BTW another interesting thing to look at might be the prenatal inferior and superior Sun-Venus-conjunction. Blashke mentioned in his book on relationships that people we have karmic business with usually have conjunctions or oppositions with these degrees. And especially with those whose Sun-Venus-conjunction conjunct ours, there are significant karmic ties.
Particularly the inferior conjunction (when Venus is retograde) indicates strong Karma.
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posted January 18, 2010 03:13 PM
Yes, compare 21 sag to another's chart.IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 03:33 PM
I looked at P``s prenatal ecclipse, which falls onto 15 Aquarius, and it is conjunct my Moon on 17 Aquarius!
My ecclipse on 21 Sag is square his Mars, not really that significant I guess.
J`s prenatal ecclipse falls on 18 Cancer, conjunct my Saturn on 17 Cancer, Eros / Vertex on 21 Cancer.
My pne on 21 Sag conjuncts his Karma and MErcury (his DESC ruler) and squares his Eros on 20 Pisces.
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posted January 18, 2010 03:44 PM
an aspect from A's PNE to a point in B's horoscope represents a karmic link. One that implies the two have had a past life contact is exact major aspects including the inconjunct carring the most weight with karmic debts and assets. Squares, inconjuncts and oppositions indicate debts owed by the person whose PNE aspects the other person's chart. Trines and sextiles do not indicate karmic debt they indicate a prior relationship in which debts have been cleared. A conjunction is interpreted acording to the nature of the planet involved. It indicated the need to unify. The closer the aspect the stronger the karmic tie.You can allow an orb up to 5 degree but the closer the greater impact on each other's life.
Wider aspects show an association but more of a casual one.(2-3 degree orb and larger)
Exact aspects link the charts of married couples, lovers, children ect...
It may refer to a past life association or one in the present or both. IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 03:52 PM
So in Jude`s case that would mean, there is probably an uncleared issue of erotic nature. But who would have the issue (with the square aspect)?
I owe him`?
What do I owe him?
Why do I owe him?
And P would probably have an emotional issue with me, as his PNE is conjunct my Moon, and his natal SN is only 1 degree off my Moon as well.?
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posted January 18, 2010 03:54 PM
You owe the debt because your PNE is square his Eros Johnny'S vertex is conjunct my PNE.
I owe him. but his is conjunct my name and square my DSC exact, so he also owes me.
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posted January 18, 2010 03:57 PM
Well, if that is so,t hen he does owe me as well (my Saturn and Eros on his PNE). Otherwise I will go into pouting mode now.  IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 03:58 PM
Hey my Vertex is conjunct Jude`s PNE. So we have the same aspect, just the other way round.
So he owes me a fated encounter, doesn`t he?  IP: Logged |
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posted January 18, 2010 04:02 PM
So, Maybe writting is the right thing for me to do? As I owe him a fated encounter. But what does he owe me as his PNE is square my ASC, DSC and Juno?
Sounds goooooood!
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posted January 18, 2010 04:03 PM
Hey, Jude`s PNE is trine my Juno. Well, I think he doesn`t owe me in that regard, but what does the trine mean again?he owes you marriage?
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Maybe an indicator for a past life relationship (with the Juno trine) or even marriage, that has cleared the debts?
Well, his PNE also squares my Chiron -d oes that mean he owes me pain?
And then again his PNE is also quinkunx my Moon by 1 degree. *sighs* IP: Logged |
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