posted January 22, 2010 11:24 AM         

J´s Pluto opose my Persephone 1*
J´s Aerth/Moon cj my DSC
J´s earth/Moon kikx my Sun 1 *
J´s Venus semisetile my Mars * and Valentine
J´s Jup cj my Psyche 1*
J´s Saturn Sextile my Venus and neptune
J´s Neptune opose my Isis Aphrodite 2 and Akhashi (4)
J´s Amor cj my Venus 1
J´s Union opose my Sun
J´s Akhashi cj my Amor
J´s Valentine cj my Moon 2 opose Proserpina and trine my Briede
J´s Eros opose my APHROdite and Isis
J´s Jupiter cj my Felicitas
J´s Proserpina semisextile my Pluto *
J´s ANGEL cj my persephone and Groom
J´s Osiris cj my Destinn/Union
J´s Isis opse my Mars

my helio - his natal

earth/moon trine his mars
Venus trine my VX
Venus sextile his Isis/osiris
mars cj his ASC
Jupiter cj his VX 0
jupiter sextile his Pyche
Saturn opose his Angel 0
Neptune cj his Juno
Neptune trine his VeNUS
aMOr Trine VX
Union cj his NN ND TRINE HIS psyche
AKHASHI opose his mars/uranus
Valentine trine his juno nd Osiris
Eros opose Eros
eros square Venus and Proserpina
ANGEL exact cj his NN

SEEMS that in our case,the Higher Selves really conects with the realily plane,in the sense that the love asteroids and palnes are conected with the spirituaal and karmic pointers.

posted January 22, 2010 11:51 AM         

our strongest aspects seems to be to the tropical.whcih in fact i think that is confirming IQ´s analysis.

we are bringing the spiritual conection down to the earth plane,and making the best of all our placements.

Maybe the TF that are actually in their last encarnation are the ones showing almost perfect conections in the Helios.

for those who are in the imediatly lower level aside of TF(TLS or very close SM),the aspects will be seen in Helio-Tropical.

yours eros/psyche are amazing,of course i say that he is my favorite of yours cause i really see very rare conections between you and him DD.

Eros/Psyche seems such a strong pair,you just cannot ignore it and so,,you just follow your gut when it concerns Jude.

Lara

i think that TF must be showned in the Helio,cause it is the chart that refers to our CHrist Counsciounsness.it is the Chart that shows our highest Potencial of Soul.

to me makes sense that one person´s type of energie complements the other´s oposite energy,the Ying/Yang.

posted January 22, 2010 12:03 PM         

Tropical (natal) / Helio

His briede conjunct my natal sun (0)
His Eros sextile my natal psyche (0)
My natal eros square his Psyche (1)
His Jenny T conjunct his natal POM (0)
which is opp my natal POM (0)
His venus conjunct my natal Chiron (2)
His juno opp my natal sun (0)
His amor Trine my natal moon (2)
His groom opp my natal sun (3)
His angel conjunct my NN (2)
his jupiter conjunct my natal Jupiter (1)
His groom conjunct my natal pluto (0)
His amor trine my MC (0)
His jennifer conjunct my MC (0)
his mars conjunct my pluto (1)
his jennifer trine his moon and Earth (0)
My natal venus trine his pluto (3)
His Kaali conjunct my natal Venus (1)
My Kaali conjunct his NN (3)

helio - helio

his Eros square my Psyche (0)
My eros square his Psyche (3)
His jupiter conjunct my Jupiter (2)
His juno conjunct my Moon (0)
His Amor conjunct my Juno (1)
His venus conjunct My Chiron (1)
My persephone conjunct his pluto (3)
His venus sextile my venus (2)

I thought these were WOW!

posted January 22, 2010 01:13 PM         

his valentine cj my eros (2)
his earth/moon ch my AC (1)
his venus sq my mars (0)
his eros cj my venus (0) moon (0)
my earth/moon cj his valentine (0)
my mars cj his saturn (0)
my saturn cj his pluto (0)
my karma cj his valentine (1)
my valentine cj his sun (1)
my eros trine his venus (0)
my amor cj his NN (3)
my proserpina cj his saturn (0)
his persephone cj my valentine (2)
his proserpina sq my sun (2)
his persephone sextile my pluto (0)

posted January 22, 2010 02:03 PM         

I agree with what you said.

Lara,

great aspects, girl! Is this with your TF?

posted January 22, 2010 05:09 PM         

you have some wonderful aspects there.

´s Pluto opose my Persephone 1*
J´s Aerth/Moon cj my DSC
J´s Akhashi cj my Amor
J´s Valentine cj my Moon 2 opose Proserpina and trine my Briede
J´s Eros opose my APHROdite
J´s ANGEL cj my persephone and Groom

my helio - his natal

entine trine his juno nd Osiris
ANGEL exact cj his NN

Your helio Angel - his tropical NN seems to be a very clear hint that there is a higher Self connection, which has direct influence on his current lifepath.

posted January 22, 2010 05:14 PM         

my personal favourites of your aspect lists are these:

His briede conjunct my natal sun (0)
His Eros sextile my natal psyche (0)
My natal eros square his Psyche (1)
His angel conjunct my NN (2)

helio - helio

his Eros square my Psyche (0)
My eros square his Psyche (3)
His juno conjunct my Moon (0)
His Amor conjunct my Juno (1)
My persephone conjunct his pluto (3)

I really love those Juno-conjunctions!

posted January 22, 2010 05:34 PM         

BTW, what do Akhashi and Aerth represent?
I noticed that in Diandra's post and wondered what they stood for.

posted January 23, 2010 06:51 AM         

The other word is a misspelling of Earth. Since the heliocentric view everything from the Sun`s perspective and Moon and Earth are so close together, they will always be conjunct, this is called the Earth-Moon complex.

posted January 23, 2010 07:13 AM         

Example:
my chart:

Merlin and Mercury are conjunct helio Mercury
- it seems that there is a very direct link between my mind and higher mind; probably I am receiving direct insights from my higher mind through my ability to visualize (Merlin).

Sun/Moon mp and AVX conjunct helio Venus:
fated encounters, especially if they are soulmate connections (in the sense that they combine Yin and Yang energies) are a way to access love and sensuality

my helio Saturn is conjunct Sirius, but I have no clue what that means. Interestingly my pr tropical Saturn is at the same point. Maybe a very karmic time for me?

Amor conjuncts helio Angel exactly
So everytime I tap into my Amor I connect directly with pure higher Self (IQ mentioned that Angel itself might be a clue to Higher Self-influence).

Lust is also exactly conjunct helio Angel
- I think that means that unconditional compassionate love (Amor) as well as lust are actually a way to connect with my Higher Self.

Anteros is conjunct helio Valentine

Jupiter is conjunct helio Psyche

Nessus is conjunct helio Eros

another expample:
Jude

his Valentine conjuncts helio Earth/Moon and also exactly conjunct helio Valentine
it seems, that his true love in this life (Valentine) is an exact expression of his higher Self (helio Earth / Moon) and higher Self love.

his Psyche conjunct helio mercury and helio Venus
if he activates his gentle side as well as intuition, he probably can connect to his higher mind

his True Node conjunct his helio Jupiter
looks like a Guardian-connection to me.

IC conjunct helio Union:
family relationships are made by his higher self?

his Moon conjuncts helio Psyche

Well, I have just seen "Surrogates", so I was having a look at Bruce Willis` chart, which is most fascinating; look at this!

ASC exactly conjuncts helio Earth/Moon!

Juno conjuncts helio Saturn (2 degrees)
marriage is based on some kind of lesson, the higher Self wants to learn?
Interestingly his ex wife`s tropical Sun-Venus-conjunctions falls here, too; her Moon opposes it!
His second wife`s birthtime is not known, but if she has been born well before noon, her Moon might fall here, too.

Funny thing, my helio Valentine falls here, too. lol

Psyche conjunct helio Psyche (2)
what an intuitive connection!

Sun, Eros and DESC are conjunct helio Eros (Eros - Eros is exact)

Psyche and Lust conjunct helio Lust

So, tropical Eros, Psyche and Lust are conjunct their heliocentric counterpart; does that mean there is a very pure expression to these asteroids?

posted January 23, 2010 09:58 AM         

her natal chart:

Saturn: 16.5 Cancer r
Juno: 16.5 Pisces

helio Saturn: 14.4 Cancer
helio Valentine: 18.5 Scorpio

his natal chart:

Saturn: 20.5 Scorpio r
Juno: 17.5 Scorpio r

helio Saturn: 16.1 Scorpio
helio Valentine: 17.5 Capricorn

her natal aspects:
Saturn trine Juno: 0.0
(helio Saturn trine helio Valentine: 4.1)
helio Saturn trine Juno: 2.1
helio Valentine trine Saturn : 2.0
helio Valentine trine Juno 2.0

his natal aspects:
Saturn conjunct Juno 3.0
helio Saturn sextile helio Valentine: 1.4
helio Saturn conjunct Juno 1.4
helio Valentine sextile Saturn 3.0
helio Valentine sextile Juno 0.0

synastry:

(his Saturn widely trine her Saturn 4.0)
(his Saturn widely trine her Juno 4.0)
his Juno trine her Saturn 1.0
his Juno trine her Juno 1.0

his Saturn conjunct her helio Valentine 2.0
(his Juno trine her helio Saturn 3.1)
his Juno conjunct her helio Valentine 1.0

his helio Saturn trine her Saturn 0.4
his helio Saturn trine her juno 0.4
his helio Saturn trine her helio Saturn 1.3
his helio Saturn conjunct her helio Valentine 2.4

his helio Valentine opposite her Saturn 1.0
his helio Valentine sextile her Juno 1.0
his helio Valentine opposite her helio Saturn 3.1
his helio Valentine sextile her helio Valentine 1.0

of course that means they also share midpoint configurations:

her Saturn / Juno opposite his Juno (1.0)
her Saturn / Juno opposite hs helio Saturn (0.4)

her helio Saturn / Juno opposite his helio Saturn (0.2)

her Juno / helio Valentine conjunct his helio Valentine (0.0)

his Saturn / Juno conjunct her helio Valentine (0.3)

his Saturn / helio Saturn conjunct her helio Valentine (0.2)

his Juno / Helio Valentine square her Juno (1.0)

his helio Saturn / helio Valentine square her Juno (0.0)

I thought the symmetry was simply breathtaking.

I mean it triggers the same exact planets / asteroids; they share the same natal aspects, the same planets / asteroids in the different dimensions plus they are all in synastric aspect.

So it means there is a really dense pattern of Saturn, Juno and Valentine, all linked by conjunction, opposition, trine and sextile.

The pivotal points seem to be these aspects:
his Saturn conjunct her helio Valentine
his helio Saturn conjunct her helio Valentine
his helio Valentine opposite her Saturn
his helio Valentine opposite her helio Saturn
his Juno conjunct her helio Valentine

posted January 23, 2010 01:27 PM         

Something I noticed after comparing both the Heliocentric Tropical and Heliocentric Sidereal with our Natal charts:

Heliocentric (Tropical)
His Earth Moon - 3.37 Cap
My Earth Moon - 25.42 Cap

Heliocentric (Sidereal)
His Earth Moon - 9.29 Sag
My Earth Moon - 1.32 Cap

Natal
My Sun - 25.42 Can
His Moon - 25.13 Cap
My ASC - 8.3 Sag
His Node - 8.0 Sag

Draconic
My Moon - 26.23 Cap

So my Helio (Tropical) Earth/Moon conjuncts his Natal Moon, and also conjuncts Heliocentric Tropical to Sidereal. Also, his Helio (Sidereal) Earth Moon conjuncts my Natal ASC. And then my Draconic Moon is in there too.

Here are some of the comparison aspects:

Heliocentric to Heliocentric (tropical)

His to Mine:
Earth/moon trine venus, 2
Sextile Jupiter, 0
Sextile Neptune, 0
Trine Pluto, 1
Semi square Chiron, 1
Opposition karma, 0
Trine cupid, 0
Opposition amor, 1
Conjunct briede, 1
Sextile akashi, 1

Venus trine venus, 2
Sextile mars, 5
Sextile Jupiter, 1
Biquintile Uranus, 0
Sextile Neptune, 1
Trine Pluto, 2
Trine ceres, 2
Trine cupid, 1
Semisextile fortuna, 0
Conjunct briede, 0

Mars conjunct earth/moon, 2
conjunct angel, 2
Semisextile eros, 1
Biquintile hera, 0
Sextile psyche, 2
Trine osiris, 4
Trine groom, 3

Jupiter sextile venus, 5
Trine venus, 5
Sextile Jupiter, 2
Sextile Neptune, 2
Conjunct Pluto, 4
Conjunct ceres, 2
Sextile karma, 2
Conjunct cupid, 3
Sextile amor, 0
Sesquidrate angel, 1
Semisquare Persephone, 1
Opposition prosepina, 3
Trine briede, 0
Opposition akashi, 3

Saturn sextile earth/moon, 3
Trine pallas, 3
Quintile valentine, 0
Conjunct psyche, 3
Biquintile amor, 0
Square akashi, 1

Neptune square earth/moon, 3
Conjunct Jupiter, 4
Sextile Saturn, 5
Conjunct Neptune, 4
Sextile Pluto, 2
Trine Chiron, 9
Sextile juno, 2
Trine karma, 4
Trine eros, 0
Trine akashi, 2

Pluto quincunx earth/moon, 2
Sextile Jupiter, 5
Trine Saturn, 4
Sextile Neptune, 5
Conjunct Pluto, 3
Conjunct juno, 1
Opposition eros, 2
Conjunct cupid, 4
Biquintile angel, 0
Square groom, 2
Opposition akashi, 4

Juno trine venus, 1
Conjunct angel, 3
Trine isis, 2
Opposition Persephone, 3
Sextile proserphina, 3
Conjunct briede, 2
Sesquidrate groom, 2

Karma square mars, 3
Trine Uranus, 3
Conjunct fortuna, 3
Opposition hera, 3

Valentine trine Saturn, 2
Sextile Chiron, 1
Trine juno, 2
Sextile vesta, 0

Eros trine karma, 1

Cupid conjunct Saturn, 3

Angel trine karma, 3
Trine angel, 2
Conjunct isis, 4
Conjunct osiris, 4
Trine groom, 5
Quincunx akaskhi, 1

Isis quincunx mercury, 1
Semisextile venus, 0
Semisextile mars,
Trine Uranus, 0

His Heliocentric (tropical) to My Natal
(I'm sure there are some trines, but I was only picking out the conjunctions and oppositions.)

Earth/Moon conjunct Vesta, 1
Angel conjunct valentine, 1
Jupiter conjunct Isis/Osiris/Valentine, 1
Venus conjunct Part Fortune/Hera, 0
Mars conjunct Angel, 2
Mars opposition Sun, 2
Neptune conjunct North Node/Jupiter, 2
Neptune opposition Mars, 1
Pluto conjunct cupido/ceres, 1
Pluto conjunct Moon/Pluto, 0
Juno opposition karma/amor, 2
Karma conjunct Saturn/groom, 2
Valentine conjunct Mars/Lilith/Eros, 2
Valentine opposition Node/Jupiter, 2
Eros conjunct conjunct Angel, 1
Eros opposition Sun/Vertex/Persephone, 2
Cupido conjunct Saturn/Briede, 2
Amor/Union conjunct Venus/Briede, 2
Angel opposition Eros, 2
Isis conjunct Eros/Lilith, 2
Persephone opposition Pluto, 3
Proserpina conjunct Moon/Ceres, 3
Groom conjunct Fortuna, 2

My Heliocentric (tropical) to His Natal

Earth Moon conjunct Moon/lilith, 0
Mercury conjunct valentine, 2
Venus conjunct Isis, 2
Mars conjunct Mars, 0
Saturn conjunct Saturn/Amor/Union, 2
Saturn opposition Venus/Fortuna, 2
Jupiter opposition Isis/valentine, 2
Pluto conjunct Jupiter, 2
Juno conjunct Pluto, 0
Vesta conjunct Venus/fortuna, 1
Vesta opposition Amor/Union, 3
Karma conjunct Sun, 1
Valentine conjunct Part Fortuna/Akashi/Angel/Valentine, 2
Valentine opposition Osiris, 1
Eros conjunct Osiris, 3
Destin conjunct vertex, 3
Fortuna conjunct North Node/Karma/Cupido/Hera, 2
Hera conjunct Venus/Fortuna/Amor/Union, 2
Psyche conjunct Saturn/Briede, 1
Amor/Union conjunct Sun, 2
Angel conjunct Moon/lilith/juno 3
Angel opposition Psyche, 2
Isis/Osiris conjunct Angel, 3
Persephone conjunct psyche. 2
Persephone opposite moon/lilith, 2
Briede conjunct Amor/Union, 2
Groom conjunct Mercury/Fortuna, 1

There is a lot of antiscion aspects going on too. But it just takes me so long to calculate them.

posted January 24, 2010 05:47 AM         

http://lessons.astrology.com/course/show/Beginners-Astrology/668-Inner-and-Outer

http://www.heliocentric-astrology.com/The_Heliocentric_Idea.html
http://www.dreamastrologer.com/astrology-articles/heliocentric-astrology/

posted January 24, 2010 06:22 AM         

If I take asteroids into account Juno in Aries squares Saturn in Cancer even more exactly.

Which means I have a transdimensional Juno-Saturn-aspects.
In tropical it is a trine, in helio it is a square; and both aspects have an orb of 0°01