posted January 20, 2010 06:38 PM         

DD i saw you noticed about Helio+s meanig.i thought of that too times ago when VenusDEINDIA gave us that Secrets of the ZOdiac copy.remember?

i took a transcription from it:

SOUL LEVEL ZODIAC ORIGIN PLANE OF REALITY

4 HELIOCENTRIC---- SOLAR CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS
3 SIDEREAL --------SPACE COMPLETION OF KARMA
2 TROPICAL-------- TIME PRESENT INCARNATION
1 DRACONIC-------- LUNAR ONGOING SOUL CONTRACT

"In this table showing a four-level model for the different planes of reality, the sequence goes from a lunar-based Zodiac to a time-derived one, then to a space-based level, and finally to one that is solarderived.
It is this author's thesis that multi-dimensional relationship analysis, involving the Draconic,Tropical, Sidereal and Heliocentric Zodiacs, is not only accurate for determining past life soul contracts
between family members, but also for ascertaining any completing relational karma between two souls.

At the highest level of human attainment is one's Christ Consciousness, seen most clearly through the Heliocentric Zodiac nativity."

When utilizing the Heliocentric Zodiac, the astrologer can identify the Christ Consciousness operating within the individual, as well as identifying particular strengths of virtue that any soul possesses."

i also think DD that the Helios can show our Best Soulmates,in the way that operates at the highest levels of our Souls.

Obviously i started to see me and Jonnhy hihi

HELIOS

JOHN --- ME

Conjunct
UNION cj my VENUS 0´09
UNION cj my Amor 2º/earthMoon 3º
Kiron/VALENTINE cj my Kiron/Eros
Eros cj my Felicitas
Karma cj my Osiris
Earth/Moon cj my Juno wide
AMOR Cj my ATLANTIS
AURA cj my SATURN
DESTINN cj my PERSPHONE 0º

Trines
Earth/Moon trine my Karma/Valentine 1º
Earth/Moon trine my Psyche 1º
Union trine my DNA and UNION
Amor trine Felicitas/Uranus
Osiris trine Eros
Isis trine Isis

posted January 20, 2010 07:02 PM         

Helio--NATAL

JOHN---ME

earth/Moon cj my n.DSC 0´05
EARTH/MOON opose my HANNA and ASC 1º!
Venus opose my Amor 2º
Mars opose my Eros 2º
Jup cj my Psyche 0º
Saturn cj my DNA/Pluto
Neptune opose my Isis 2º
Kiron cj my Moon 1º
KARMA opose my DNA/PLUTO 1º
VALENTINE cj my Moon 2º
Union opose my Sun 1º
Felicitas cj my Psyche oº
Amor cj my Venus 0º
Eros opose my Isis 1º
Psyche opose my VX 1º
Psyche opose my Jonnhy 1º
OSIRIS opose my UNION/DESTINN 1º
ISIS cj my 5ThCusp 1º
DNA cj my Venus 2º and Sun 6º
Pluto opose my Proserpina 1º
ATlantis cj my Kiron 2º
DESTINN cj my VX 0º
ANGEL cj my PROSERPINA 2º

My HELIO - HIS NATAL

Earth/Sun cj his Anna! 3º
Earth/Sun opose his Hanna 2º!
EARTH/Sun opose his DNA 1º
Venus opose his DNA 0º
Mars cj his ASC 3º
Jup cj his VX 1º
Saturn cj his Felicitas 0º
Juno cj his MC
Valentine/karma trine his mars 2º
UNION cj his NODE 3º
UNION opose his JOHNNHY 1º
FELICITAS cj my JOHNPAUL 0º
FELICITAS cj his JUNO 1º/ ISIS AND OSIRIS 3º/4º
AMOR opose his DNA 2º / AMOR 3º
pSYCHE cj his Mars 1º
Isis opose his Mars 0º
DNA cj his FELICITAS 2º ( Jupiter 1º
Proserpina kikx my Persephone 1º
ATlantis /Node cj my Angel 3º/0º
AURA cj his Juno nd Isis Osiris

i see that our aspects are amazing,specially the Helio to Natals.

Look how our energies blend normally with Ying/Yang pairs.

And look at that DW of our Name asteroids with each other+s Earth/Moon

Makes me think that these aspects confirms even more our True Love SM Conection.

posted January 20, 2010 08:30 PM         

Sun/Earth in 21 Pisces
Angel cj Amor in 1 and 4Gem ( cj my kiron)
Kiron cj Destinn in 26 28Tau
Karma 14Gem ( cj J´s own Valentine)
Valentine 28Gem oposing Neptune 27Sag
Atlantis 13 Cancer ( cj J´s Node nd my Eros)
Aura cj Uranus in 5 6 Sag
Venus 11 Sag Oposing Karma (cj my Felicitas and J´s VX)

So..definately i see here a healing quality into the relationship,as well as a very spiritual and deep love,alng with strong karmic pointers too.

I wonder too what Sabyans might tell?

posted January 20, 2010 09:28 PM         

(max orb 3)

HELIO/HELIO
my VENUS square his MARS (1)***
my VENUS opp his PLUTO (6)***
My PSYCHE opp his EROS (1)***
His OSIRIS quintile my ISIS (0)***
my EARTH/MOON/CHIRON/JUNO quintile his EARTH/MOON (0)***
my VENUS quintile his EARTH/MOON (1)
my MERCURY cj his MERCURY (1)***
my MARS quincunx his MARS (0)
my EROS opp his SATURN (3)
my VENUS opp his URANUS (2)
my MARS trine his URANUS (1)
my UNION trine his URANUS (2)
my VENUS trine his NEPTUNE (3) ***lifetime aspect
my MARS opp his NEPTUNE (3)
my CHIRON trine his NEPTUNE (1)*** cinderella aspect
My VENUS cj his CHIRON (3) *** cinderella aspect
My CUPID trine his CHIRON (1)
My MARS trine his JUNO (3)***super sexual aspect
My PLUTO opp his DESTINN (3)
My VENUS/MARS quincunx his VALENTINE (0)
My JUNO cj his VALENTINE (4)
My APHRODITE trine his VALENTINE (2)
My EROS cj his VALENTINE (3)
My VALENTINE trine his LUST (2)
My EROS cj his LUST (3)
My MARS trine his PSYCHE (2)
My UNION trine his PSYCHE (2)
My PLUTO cj his UNION (2)
My PSYCHE cj his CUPID (2)

My LARA opp his BRIEDE (4)
My LARA sq his PLUTO (2)
My PAUL sq his VENUS (0)
His PAUL opp my LUST (3)

My BRIEDE trine his NEPTUNE (1)
My BRIEDE opp his KAALI (2)
His BRIEDE sq my PLUTO (0)
His BRIEDE trine my NEPTUNE (4)

HELIO/NATAL
My MARS cj his VENUS (2)***
My KAALI opp his SIVA (2)***
My PERSEPHONE trine his PLUTO (1)***
My PROSERPINA cj his VENUS (1)***
his EROS opp my PSYCHE (2)***
his PSYCHE trine my EROS (0)***
his VALENTINE trine my GROOM (0)***
his VALENTINE opp my briede/groom MP (0)***
My PAUL cj his TELEPHUS (0)
His PAUL sq my MARS (0)
His EARTH/MOON cj my DESTINN (3)
His VENUS sq my LARA (2)
His MARS opp my BRIEDE (0)
His MARS sq my BODA (2)
His BRIEDE opp my AC (0)
His BRIEDE sq my PLUTO (1)
His GROOM cj my MARS (1) ISIS (2) UNION (0)
His DESTINN opp my BODA (3)
My ISIS cj his MOON (2)
My ISIS opp his NEPTUNE (1)
My PLUTO opp his NN (2)
My JUNO/KARMA opp his SATURN (1)
My EARTH/MOON opp his SATURN (1)
My VENUS opp his URANUS (0)

posted January 20, 2010 09:34 PM         

venus cj mars
venus opp pluto (0)
Briede cj Groom
juno cj earth/moon
chiron cj groom (0)
chiron trine eros/union
jupiter opp venus (0)
jupiter cj valentine (1)
valentine cj pluto/jupiter
valentine opp venus/mars
eros trine juno
psyche trine saturn
psyche sq venus/pluto/valentine
union trine groom/neptune/venus

posted January 21, 2010 04:06 AM         

you are great.
I have been wanting to start such a thread for the last week, but never got around to it.
I read this once in Blaske`s book, the four zodiacs as different dimensions of reality.
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If he is right about heliozentric showing the Higher SElves, I think that twinflames / soulmates MUST show there.

If they do not, there two explanations possible:

posted January 21, 2010 08:58 AM         

DD well..im guilty|i saw your conversation with IQ about Helio and decided to start hihihi

but i still dont know what to think..about Helios.

posted January 21, 2010 09:27 AM         

actually I think that might be a clue, that there is not too much going on. Cause twinflames are very unique, so it makes sense that only souls which are really connected closely through their higher selves, may have strong aspects there.

But I also think the connection from Helio to tropical is important; it makes a connection between Higher Self of one person and our Self on earth here.

I have done a little bit of thinking.
Twinflames are consisting of complimentary Yin and Yang energy, right?
So it would make sense that there are Yin-Yang aspects in the Helios, or maybe also from Helio to tropical.

Those could be for example:
Moon/Earth complex - Sun or Moon/Earth complex
(Venus/Aphrodite - Mars; maybe this is too sexual though)
Psyche - Eros
Juno- Jupiter
PErsephone / Proserpina - Pluto
Isis - Osiris
Briede - Groom

I would add to this:
Angel, Neptune, Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto and of course Amor and Valentine, maybe also Akashi and Union.

Angel is itself an indicator for a spiritual connection, Neptune is the planet that makes the access to the spiritual easy, Jupiter could be about happiness and finding true joy in a "spiritual embrace". Amor and Valentine are selfexplanatory. Who wouldn`t want to be loved from the highest facets of their partners (helio Amor and helio Valentine)?

Saturn, Karma, NN, ASC and Pluto and Akashi might be touched in the tropical charts, showing that the higher Self connection penetrates the physical realm, either as some form of "karmic plan" or in the case of Pluto it could also be about pure spiritual transformation. Neptune and Pluto are definitely about spiritual evolutionary developments, and therefore they are kind of a "bridge" between physical (tropical) and spiritual (helio).

posted January 21, 2010 10:15 AM         

Johnny Cash - June Carter (who had very mediocre tropical synastry)

his Earth/Moon conjunct her Amor (1)

his SAturn trine her Jupiter (0)
- on one site about helio synastry it is mentioned, that soulmate relationship always have a Saturn-Jupiter-connection in Helio, but I never researched it myself

his Neptune conjunct her Amor (1)

his Pluto opposite her Valentine (1)!

his Amor conjunct her Amor (3)

his Psyche conjunct her Amor (2)
- this is a soulmate pair actually!

his Angel opposite her Psyche (1)

his Briede conjunct her Juno (1)

his Briede quinkunx her Groom (0)!
- another Yin-Yang pair
his Groom semisextile her Briede (0)
Whoa, two exact Briede-Groom-connections; makes me re-consider the quinkunx and semisextile actually. lol

his Pluto quinkunx her Persephone (2)

Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward

his Jupiter conjunct her Saturn (1)
his Jupiter trin eher Neptune (1)
his Jupiter conjunct her Juno (0)
- Yin Yang pairing

his Pluto trine her Valentine (1)

his Amor conjunct her Valentine (2)
his Amor opposite her Groom (1)

his Valentine conjunct her Venus (2)
his Valentine trine her Pluto (1)
his Eros semisextile her Psyche (0)

his Psyche conjunct her Venus (0)
his Psyche trine her Pluto (0)

his Groom conjunct her Briede (2)!
his Persephone square her Pluto (3)

Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

his Venus conjunct her Eros (3)

his Pluto opposite her Earth / Moon (3)
his Pluto opposite her Juno (0)
his PLuto opposite her Eros (1)
his Pluto square her Proserpina (1)
-soulmate pairing
his Juno trine her Angel (1)

his Valentine trine her Juno (0)
his Valentine trine her Eros (1)

his Eros trine her Psyche (0)
- another soulmate pairing

his Psyche conjunct her Venus (1)
his Psyche opposite her Pluto (1)

his Angel conjunct her Juno (1)
his Angel conjunct her Eros (0)

his Briede trine her Pluto (2)
his Briede quinkunx her Groom (2)

posted January 21, 2010 10:57 AM         

Helio - Helio

his Venus conjunct my Amor (2)
his Jupiter conjunct my Venus (1)
his Neptune conjunct my Angel (3)
his Juno conjunct my Mars (0)
his Juno trine my Jupiter (0)
his Amor trine my Amor (0)
his Amor conjunct my Psyche (3)
his Valentine square my Pluto (0)
his Psyche trine my Earth / Moon (0)
his Psyche trine my Eros (3)
his Angel conjunct my Persephone (3)
his Groom conjunct my Briede (2)
- now this is interesting, since we have the DW conjunction in tropical

BTW I was mainly looking for:

Venus-Mars
Jupiter-Juno
Pluto - Persephone / Proserpina
Psyche - Eros (Amor)
Valentine - Pluto
Briede - Groom

plus aspects with Jupiter, Angel, Amor and Valentine and of course Moon / Earth-complex

EDIT 2:

Another synastry reads like this:

Helio - Helio

his Jupiter trine her Angel (2)
his Saturn trine her Saturn (2)
his Saturn conjunct her Valentine (2)
his Neptune trine her Earth/ Moon (2)
his Pluto conjunct her Persephone (2)
his Amor conjunct her Briede (2)
his Valentine conjunct her Venus (2)
his Psyche opposite her Pluto (2)
his Briede trine her Pluto (1)
his Briede sextile her Groom (0)
his Groom conjunct her Eros (0)
his Persephone trine her Persephone (1)

posted January 21, 2010 06:58 PM         

I found some great aspects between me and Johnny

His briede conjunct my natal sun (0)
His Eros sextile my natal psyche (0)
My natal eros square his Psyche (1)
His Jenny T conjunct his natal POM (0)
which is opp my natal POM (0)
His venus conjunct my natal Chiron (2)
His juno opp my natal sun (0)
His amor Trine my natal moon (2)
His groom opp my natal sun (3)
His angel conjunct my NN (2)
his jupiter conjunct my natal Jupiter (1)
His groom conjunct my natal pluto (0)
His amor trine my MC (0)
His jennifer conjunct my MC (0)
his mars conjunct my pluto (1)
his jennifer trine his moon and Earth (0)

helio - helio

his Eros square my Psyche (0)
My eros square his Psyche (3)
His jupiter conjunct my Jupiter (2)
His juno conjunct my Moon (0)
His Amor conjunct my Juno (1)

posted January 22, 2010 09:48 AM         

You´re hossom:that way,is is a lot easier..we know what we´re looking for then.

Hmm on the aspects i listed,i didnt looked at the pluto or neptune..i thought that they werent important cayuse they are generacional.

But your explanation makes sense indeed.afterall,a TF or TLS relationship is always deeply spiritual and intense.why not look at those planets indeed...?

the fact that you and Jude,and the celebrity couples have those aspects,show that the Helio might very well be an important tool.

posted January 22, 2010 10:37 AM         

IQ said that prbably me and John will evolve as TF in next encarnation,but now we arent really in the level that it would permit us to experience the Highest Type of conection,,and so,it is probable also that me and John have more aspects between Helio-Trop,than Helio-Helio...hmmm this is what im thinking now.

Let´s see:i tried to pair the Yang/Ying

HELIO-HELIO

John - Me

-Earth/Moon semisextile my Earth/Moon ( seeking of balance i guess..)

-Earth/Moon cj my Groom*
-Earth/Moon sextile my Isis and Aphrodite*
-EARTH/moon trine my Psyche
-Earth/moon opose my Briede*
-Briede square my Earth/Moon - DW
-earth/Moon square my Karma/Valentine
-Venus opose my Venus
-Mars sextile my Venus *
-Mars square my Persephone
-Valentine sextile my Mars and Persephone-DW
-Valentine cj my Eros
-Neptune cj my Proserpina
-Eros cj my Neptune
-Pyshce sextile my Jup
-Pyche opose my Juno *
-karma opose my Pluto
-Karma trine my Neptune
-karma trine my proserpina
-karma cj my Osiris
-Briede sextile my Karma
-Isis opose my karma
-Osiris trine my Briede
-Isis sextile my Groom DW Of ying/yang
-Isis trine my Isis
-Briede cj my Isis
-Groom square my Osiris - DW of Ying/Yag
-Briede sextile my Groom*
-Angel trine my Proserpina
-Amor trine my Neptune
-Amor setile my Pluto
-Venus opose my Amor
-Mars sextile my Amor -DW of Ying/Yang
-AMOR square my Eros*
-Eros Q my Amor DW of Ying/Yang

-UNION/AKHASHI cj my Venus/Amor (0)
-UNION/AKHASHI cj my Earth/Moon (3)
-MY UNION trine his UNION/AKHASHI
-BRIEDE cj my Isi/Aprhodite

posted January 22, 2010 10:42 AM         

I am glad you agree with my theory.

And in the synastry with Jude, I really like that Venus-Jupiter-conjunction in helio.
So if I always wonder why I am seeing his films, and do the things I do - like synastry with him-, then maybe the answer is as easy as: From a higher spiritual perspective it is just about enjoyment?

What surprised me a bit were the appearance of the soulmate couples of Juno/Jupiter, Amor / Psyche, Eros / Psyche, Groom / Briede. Of course two of them had a 3 degree orb.

The Eros/Amor-Psyche thing is interesting, as it runs throughout the different zodiacs:

tropical:
his Amor conjunct my Psyche (1)

Draconic:
his Psyche conjunct my DR Eros (0)
his Dr Psyche opposite my eros (3)

Sidereal:
his s Eros opposes my Psyche (1)

Helio:
his Psyche trine my Eros (3)
his amor conjunct my Psyche (3)

posted January 22, 2010 10:53 AM         

Those were the strongest soulmate pairings imo.
The fact that they are sextiles could show the friendly supportive connection there is, maybe with an option to further development, like IQ said?