posted February 02, 2010 05:00 AM         

Here is their Synastry Chart:

She wasn't in love with him, but she was waiting with patience that he became normal. From other side she met with 18 years Swedish count Axel from Persen, who loved her until the end.

Marie Antoinette, Natal Chart: http://tinypic.com/r/15vbib/6

Louis XVI, Natal Chart: http://tinypic.com/r/29pfbrt/6

posted February 02, 2010 05:21 AM         

There are some very good aspects, especially nice conjunctions:
1. His VE 0 JU she: in her 5th
2. His VE 120 MC she, sign that they had similar look to the monarchy, although he was very quite and she has liked dancing, theatre and had many friends (until Revolution, 1789). In short she enjoyed life with full energy. He liked very much to eat and also hunting.
3. Her NN 0 MA him: some kind of Karma between them two. That shows also her NN in his 1st house.
4. Her MO 0 Juno him: he was partner she needed, to have all her freedom, to do what she wanted. He gave her all money, she needed.
5. Both have good aspected SA, what means they were together until end.

There is more, but somebody else can give their comment, if he wants.

Bobbie

posted February 02, 2010 05:27 AM         

There is written that was only Platonic love; from other side he was her lover.

Unfortunately I can't find his hour of birth.

B.

posted February 02, 2010 06:20 AM         

It could be that all was only some kind of imagination as she was always surrounded with many people in the palace. They looked every step she has done.
He wanted to rescue her:
First time from the palace in Paris (after royal family had to leave Versailles) and second time from the prison. He was the only one that wanted to rescue her and run away together. Even her family in Vienna didn't care about her very much.
In the book is: how much money she has spent and she didn't care very much about people in France. After she was in prison, there was war between Austria and France. Of course she was on the side of Austria.
The people from Revolution knew that, so there were two reasons to kill her:
She has spent too much money during her life in Versailles and France had too many debts;
She was on the side of Austria and against France (in the war).

I was terrible tired last night, but wanted to see, why she has died that way.

What is strange: she was very proud until end. She didn't have kindness of her mother Maria Theresa who was some kind of mother of all Austro-Hungarian Monarchy.

Bobbie

posted February 02, 2010 07:39 AM         

Both nept quinkunx her saturn and also his saturn but in wide orb.

Her N.N conj his mars

His N.N/venus conj hers jupit/amor

Karmic YOD
His Karma quinkuns hers mars
His karma quinkunks his owns mars/N.N
Hers mars sext his mars/N.N
This also involveds in aspect to both there saturn in capricorn and pluto in SAG...
So strong karma. Which one could breake off from this kind of relationship..For me it show one dangerous/carmic relationship

posted February 02, 2010 07:47 AM         

I didn't know why this Revolution has been and had no idea, why both of them have been killed (such a horrible kind of death).

As I am fan of all Biographies (three Monarchies: French, Austrian and Russian) I am reading (imagine, now!) all possible I can find. The last one was "IVAN, the terrible", Russian Emperor. He was really terrible! He killed his own, 27 year son on the very simple way: as the guillotine was. He has cut son's head.
On that way I am studying Medical Astrology and also Synastry if there are both birth data's.

Bobbie

posted February 02, 2010 07:50 AM         

That is what I am looking for: for this Swedish Count, his data's. Why he was so much in love with Marie?
Even today is difficult to find birth data's for Swedish Monarchy.

Synastry is still better than to read such an horrible (really) stories.

Bobbie

posted February 02, 2010 08:12 AM         

You must know that France writes different than other countries.

B.

posted February 02, 2010 09:20 AM         

I need your assistance:
if you are from Sweden, I need DOB (easier) from:

Sweden:
1. King Karl Gustaf, Taurus
2. Queen Silvia (I know, she is ASC Scorpio and not Sagittarius as they write), Capricorn

Norway:
1. Prince Haakon (his VE 0 SU Mette-Marit), Cancer
2. Princess Mette Marit, Leo

Thank you in advance,
B.

posted February 02, 2010 09:23 AM         

quote:

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Hi DD,

I didn't know why this Revolution has been and had no idea, why both of them have been killed (such a horrible kind of death).

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People were starving while the King & Queen gambled away the national treasury and threw extravagant parties, etc. The King also decided to help the American Colonies with its war against the British and that also cost a lot of money. People were fed up.

I've also found Marie Antoinette fascinating, and I don't think she was as bad as the French make her seem.

posted February 02, 2010 10:22 AM         

i dont know very much of this couple,but remember to have seen a documentary and i just remember how beautiful the castle´s were....

the last couple i tried to study was Henry the VIII with Jane Seymour ( nop...not with Anne Bolyenn) cause i believe that they were the ones who had the real thing...

posted February 02, 2010 10:31 AM         

It is true, they weren't in love, but they have never argued either. She has asked for the money, he gave her. Whatever she asked for, he gave her. He was very quite man.
She didn't do things without him, except that she has liked parties, he didn't. He liked to eat very much, she has liked gold and gold necklace. She has liked many friends around her, he has liked horses and hunting and to be alone with nature.
I have often found those kings and emperors they had so much food. More portions! I understand all those Great Emperors to eat that much because most of them were really soldiers. Louis wasn't in any war.
Food belongs to the 2nd house (from German Forum).

Marie and Louis were really like plus and minus, but she has respected him.
Truly said, I didn’t expect such a good Synastry.

Bobbie

posted February 02, 2010 10:44 AM         

a lot of irony there

Henry VIII wanted a son. Jane Seymour was the only wife that bore him a son,Edward. Anne Boleyn bore him a daughter,Elizabeth. Jane Seymour died not long after giving birth. He had Anne Boleyn beheaded. Jane's son wasn't king for long for he died shortly after. It was Anne's daughter who ruled England for a long time,being probably the most powerful monarch that England ever had.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted February 02, 2010 11:17 AM         

yes i supose how things developed,were ironic.

but recently when i watched the season 3rd of the tudors i saw how they had a loving relationship,one with respect and loyalty.

people tend to look at Ann Boleyn cause she was more passionate and difficult,more of a passion of Henry,when instead they dont look at what happened next: when Jane died,Henry said they would be together again,and asked to be buried next to her.

i dont believe he wanted that jusst because of the heir she gave him,it was cause only then he realized that the only one who really loved him,and he loved,was Jane.she never betrayed him and was the most generous with his daughter Mary.

posted February 02, 2010 11:50 AM         

I am not disagreeing with you. But I find it highly problematic to base an opinion about a historical relationship on a TV-series alone. They are usually not THAT accurate, as they mostly want to entertain their audience; besides every novel or TV-script, dealing with historical romance, is in itself an interpretation, and usually reflects the opinion of the writer in big ways. I am not saying that this is wrong, only that we have to be careful and do more research, using different and reliabel sources (of course it could be a point of discussion,w hat a reliable source is).

posted February 02, 2010 12:08 PM         

i know what you mean hihihi

im one of those who cried her heart out when Jane died in the Tudors...but im highly romantic as you know and seeing Jonathan myeirs that way...made me believe in whatever he was saying

posted February 02, 2010 12:20 PM         

WEll, I think that is due to the fact, that my Venus is not being aspected by any of his planets (except for a sextile to his URanus and a trine to his Chiron and quinkunx to his Sun - but those are minor aspects in my book), and I usually need a strong triggering of my Venus to feel at least some kind of attraction, even if it is just towards a filmactor.

Oh and the natal of the other person needs to show some Plutonic aspects, especially in aspect to Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars or ASC.

But I disgress.

Well, Ihave had a short glance at the synastry between Marie Antoinette and van Versen, but from a first glance I didn`T detect any especially strong attraction aspects. I have to have a closer look I guess.