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posted February 25, 2010 12:28 AM         

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And yes it goes by transits to the mothers natal chart.. he uses a 3 degree orb.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:28 AM         

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I'm going ape about this because what a horrible thing for an astrologer to state. On principle, I have big issues with his harsh deterministic astro attitude.

And does he define unhealthy? No, there are so many interpretations of just that word alone. Is he talking about incubator babies on life support from day one, or just a kid with down's syndrome, etc. That is a huge range. Personally, a child with down's syndrome, I wouldn't really call them unhealthy exactly because even the range in children with that is huge, from highly functioning to needing care for the rest of their lives.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:29 AM         

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It is the conception date!!!

I know the damn date cos my husband had been abroad for 4 weeks....

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posted February 25, 2010 12:32 AM         

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Lara, belgz says now it's by transits.

I got confused by Geocosmic's post, I believe!

I guess we both disproved his theory in our cases.

However, as with any other bogus theory/biases, it's apt to hit the proverbial nail on the head a small percentage of the time.

But thanks for chiming in too!

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posted February 25, 2010 12:36 AM         

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Virgo rising, is about a life being born into that makes you very aware of what is happening in the body. Very conscious of your state of health.

How is the Mercury aspected? That may give clues to at least the ADHD as it's the chart ruler.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:36 AM         

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cappy1277

What was the orb between saturn and north node?

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posted February 25, 2010 12:38 AM         

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And what degree are your nodes? - Lara

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posted February 25, 2010 12:41 AM         

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HUH?

This is a Transit.

ok, here we go...

TRANSITING NORTH NODE 18' CANCER
NATAL SATURN 18' ARIES

EXACT SQUARE.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:43 AM         

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You know they're starting to call Asperger's now a variant of Autism, vs. a stand alone illness. There are people upset about this because they think it's taking away from their status somehow. My younger cousin has Asperger's actually, his mother had a v. hard time raising him because she was unable to deal with the frustration of it all, so she'd lock herself in the closet because she'd want to take it out on him, poor thing, she'd lock herself in there until it'd pass. He's a very bright young man, very talented, socially a bit behind, but, as a teenager there's not much that falls outside the range of "normal" ~ a great kid.

Now I remember where I was going with that!

Liz Greene in her book 'The Astrology of Fate' has GREAT case studies in there on Autism and the bigger role it plays in terms of psychological family dynamics, all that of course she ties in with astrology. It's a really great text.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:45 AM         

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severe eczema (he actually came out with it on his face)-he was taking prescriptions for it including topical steroids and antihistimine
severe asthma (hospitalized 4 times for minimum 2 day, max 5 days when they wanted to intubate him. he was literally dying)
2 severe staph (it caused huge boils all over his body)
hospitalized for rotovirus for a week when 18 mos old.
aspergers syndrome
ADHD

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oh boy. All the vaccination symptoms

I'm sorry...

take him/her off all dairy and all skin problems such dissipate.
you can build up the immunity by giving fresh juices and not feeding any red meat.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:48 AM         

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He says that people usually will successfully fall pregnant when jupiter or saturn trine north node. This is only for the mothers chart, not the father.
He claims that if you want a healthy child or a child that wont bring you problems you need to make sure that you do not conceive during stressful aspects of jupiter or saturn to your natal north node.

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Its Saturn or Jupiter in negative aspect to your natal nodes. Not the other way around

Sorry sounds a bit confusing. But its not north node to your natal saturn or jupiter.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:52 AM         

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Belgz, count me,
I had transiting Jupiter 21 Libra
square
Natal Nodal axis @ 21 Cancer/Capricorn
on conception day
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healthy baby/delivery

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posted February 25, 2010 12:53 AM         

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ok well on my youngest son, i had

T SATURN 20' CANCER
N NN 18' ARIES

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posted February 25, 2010 12:59 AM         

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LOL

Lonake, you and i are totally discrediting this dude!

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posted February 25, 2010 01:03 AM         

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Did you read my post above,
I so completely disagree with that BS rotten-attitude-astro-fatalism.

Thank you again for adding to this

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posted February 25, 2010 01:10 AM         

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LOL its nice to know it could possibly be bullshi*.

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posted February 25, 2010 01:12 AM         

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Yes, it's BS.

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posted February 25, 2010 09:08 AM         

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I can understand how he would come to a theoretical conclusion like that, but perhaps he should have done practical "tests" on that all over the world.

Then again, for it to be bad, Saturn should be in a harmonious aspect with the North Node, no? I can understand why someone would think that Jupiter square or opposing a North Node would be bad...

But anyway. Two cases that go against his theory could also be seen as exeptions that prove the rule... but out of all people here who actually had beforesaid aspects during time of conception, two had healthy babies compared to one who had an ill baby. So... I'd say he's proven wrong until further notice. Because 3 examples aren't enough to support or disprove a claim.

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posted February 25, 2010 11:53 AM         

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it was a two degree orb. my north node is scorpio 1d. and saturn was in leo 3d. i had him during my saturn return.
i forgot to add that he has severe food allergies too so i am very careful with what i feed him. as far as the eczema, i've decided to take a homeopathic path to control it. oatmeal, bees wax,aloe and vitamin e to name a few.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:04 PM         

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my son got the staph infections after he was released from the hospital for the stay in the hospital from rotovirus. my son was attending daycare at the time and i think it wiped the whole daycare out. i was sick as a kid too and i figured that whatever my son is/was going through may just be bad karma for him or/and me for his father being such an *SS.
here's his chart: http://s794.photobucket.com/albums/yy227/blo1277/?action=view¤t=astro_2gw_09_jason.gif

and yes....i'm very overprotective- he's the youngest of 6.

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posted February 25, 2010 12:05 PM         

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posted February 25, 2010 03:55 PM         

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Because 3 examples aren't enough to support or disprove a claim.

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Ha.

No, 1 is enough.
More is better.

He had no business stating something like that in the 1st place.

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posted February 25, 2010 05:18 PM         

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1 case, if the data is strictly under the conditions, might be enough to prove that a theory is not 100% consistent.

belgz, I would say don't worry too much about it when it comes to astrological theories about fertility or the child's future health, if there are no medical evidences. Present astrological theories are often not 100% consistent, but it is almost 100% sure that too much worry and stress can affect the baby's health.

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posted February 25, 2010 06:02 PM         

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More is always better. One case is enough to instigate a research, but you need more cases to see if the one case is the norm, or an exception to the norm. The more cases you have then, the better the global view is.

I don't think he shouldn't have stated such a thing, I do think he shouldn't have stated it without enough evidence to support it. This might be Astrology, but still I think we owe it to people not to treat them like idiots and tell them everything will be alright... of course, if you have the (Astrological) evidence to support it.

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posted February 25, 2010 06:28 PM         

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Aya_and_baby, I agree with you.

Shouldn't the astrologer have some statistical data to back this up? And what's the purpose of this theory? To help people to filter the dangerous transits?
This theory is kinda hard to research about, since it's not easy to find such data (transits during the conception time). And that's not good, since this is the type of theory that can scare people, doing more worse than good.

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