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Diana
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posted March 05, 2010 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
That has lasted forever?


This seems like such an anomoly to me. I don't get it.

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posted March 05, 2010 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I say BLISS!


I hate saturn.

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Diana
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posted March 05, 2010 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, but they aren't supposed to last. WTH?

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posted March 05, 2010 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
I think I've seen a chart of a couple without Saturn contacts to personal planets in synastry. I can't remember. They had been together a long time though.
I guess there are always exceptions lol
Still, I wish I could remember. I'll look around and report back

I wonder if Saturn conjunctions/oppositions to the Vertex and nodes in synastry can 'count' for long term. I feel the vertex can be a sensitive point.

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posted March 05, 2010 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alia     Edit/Delete Message
check nodes and angles and their conjunctions w planets maybe?..

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posted March 05, 2010 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
...That's right, and angles. Thanks for the reminder, Alia.

Maybe even close contact to rulers of the angles as well (even if they're outer planets).

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Diana
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posted March 05, 2010 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Well, there's a saturn square MC. I was always under the impression that you needed a lot of saturn contacts to have a lasting relationship. That's what everyone says and it's usually true too. A lot of times something that doesn't last has no or few saturn contacts.

So, I am quite confused right now.

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posted March 05, 2010 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
if it's sq MC isn't it conjunct AC?

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posted March 05, 2010 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Nope,not for me. I have intercepted houses.

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posted March 05, 2010 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
well enjoy! Sounds fab

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posted March 05, 2010 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
It isn't a romantic relationship. We're strictly platonic. Still enjoyable, though, maybe moreso.

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posted March 05, 2010 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jenfullmoon     Edit/Delete Message
My longest relationship was the one with no Saturn whatsoever. Of course, that broke up too, so who knows.

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posted March 05, 2010 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message

Think of all the synastry with Saturn contacts which *don't* last lol...maybe they are long-term, but not always. I've had Saturn aspects which made things seem like they should, but then they didn't. They just felt more karmic and rigorous somehow. The theme of responsibility is big.
So I wouldn't rule out the relationships without the Saturn stuff either.
Besides, Saturn sq MC is Saturn sq IC. That's a really personal point.

Also, sometimes very close contacts with planets in formations in like a T-square, grand trine, etc can bind, I think. A grand trine can become a kite, a t-square a cross, etc etc.

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posted March 05, 2010 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
MVM,

I am with you

actually Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers view the Midheaven as the most important thing in the chart. They view as the individual self, the "I", the moment, the minute. They even view as the brain proper. They focus on aspects to that point when doing rectification.

they seem to include the meanings of the Imum Coeli with the Midheaven. They do the same with Ascendant and Descendant. They refer to the Lunar Nodes as Node.

mainstream Astrologers mainly focus on the Midheaven as career and social status, and that's because they consider the Midheaven always to be the 10th house cusp.

The Uranian Astrologers and Cosmobiologists don't use house systems like mainstream astrologers do, and so they don't view Midheaven like that.


Midheaven aspects are very significant to Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers.


the Midheaven is in the bottom of the chart
when doing a chart for the South Pole


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posted March 05, 2010 06:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
MVM,

Yes, I guess the saturn/MC is a potent one. We don't have any major configurations, like g. cross, trine, etc., but we do have a yod, which can be important. The yod is in composite. In synastry we don't have any configurations.

Do you think romantic relationships need saturn contacts but not platonic one's? There's so much not known about platonic synastry that is why I picked a platonic relationship to test out.

Glaucus,


That is very interesting. Thank you.

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posted March 05, 2010 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Oops, I forgot...there are two yods in composite.


And they both involve saturn. Maybe that is the key. I forgot what the yods were. I just looked. I am not super familiar with our comp/syn because I don't really look at them with us at all. I just got curious to test out asteroids on us, because our syn/comp sucks and we've been friends for so long. I was wondering if asteroids could say why.

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posted March 05, 2010 07:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alia     Edit/Delete Message
did you check for saturn quincunxes?

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posted March 05, 2010 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
The composite has saturn quincunxes: uranus and mars.


I didn't think the quincunxes would matter too much. I had forgotten about the 2 yods.

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posted March 05, 2010 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Raymond, yeah. I don't get the whole career/MC thing. I mean I do, but I feel it's more connected with life purpose.

Hey Diana, did you also check for synastry between the composite and each of your charts?

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posted March 05, 2010 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I did. Nothing.

Our progressed charts seem to always have connections. Progressed to progressed and progressed to natal. Maybe that's enough? Maybe it's more powerful than saturn in synastry....?

Raymond,


What do you think cosmobiologists would say about a solar eclipse to the MC?

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posted March 05, 2010 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers view eclipses to the Midheaven as indicating a profound event that greatly effects the person's entire life

on June 1, 2011, I am going to have a Solar Eclipse conjunct my Midheaven with 12 minutes of arc.

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posted March 05, 2010 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
I had one just this past Jan. 15th. Is there anyway to tell what it will be? Do cosmobiologists take cusp ruler into account?

Wow, 12 mins. is close! Mine was 3 degrees.

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posted March 05, 2010 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Diana -

The easiest way to explain my take on Saturn aspects are - marriage vows:
(I did read the part where you said this isn't romantic lol)

quote:
for better or for worse,
for richer, for poorer,
in sickness and in health,
to love and to cherish;
from this day forward
until death do us part.

Guess where Saturn comes into that picture!

The poor-times, the bad-times, the sickness-times...

Basically without Saturn people don't have any desire (nor do they feel any obligation) to rough it out, through the bad times.

So this person may be a cool friend.. and your friendship may stand the test of time.. but they won't be a friend you see as highly reliable.. Not really the person who would help and be by your side in a serious situation.

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posted March 05, 2010 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Cosmobiologists don't use any house rulers whatsoever because they don't use houses at all.

Yeah....12 minutes is very close

I have transneptunian dwarf planet,Haumea in 11'17 Virgo

so the Solar Eclipse in 11'01 Gemini will
conjunct my Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini
trine/sextile my Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 5th/11th
square my Haumea in 11'17 Virgo in 12th
sextile my Eris in 12'15 Aries R in 8th
sextile my Chiron in 10'32 Aries R in 8th


square Eris/Node midpoint in 11'22 Pisces


I don't know what it's going to be about, but it seems huge..especially it hitting my Haumea square Midheaven....evolutionary intensified lessons and experiences.

Raymond

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posted March 05, 2010 11:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
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Basically without Saturn people don't have any desire (nor do they feel any obligation) to rough it out, through the bad times.

So this person may be a cool friend.. and your friendship may stand the test of time.. but they won't be a friend you see as highly reliable.. Not really the person who would help and be by your side in a serious situation.



Oh, trust me, this person is not a "cool friend." He's a pain in my -ss half the time and I am to him as well. Pretty much the entire friendship has been tough times, which is why I am so shocked that we still actually like one another enough to be friends. Very. Complicated. Don't get me wrong, there are fun times, too, but boy were there bad times.

I can actually usually count on them if I need them.


Raymond,


It seems like it will be significant for you. I think you will marry around that time. Just a feeling.

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