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ekf
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posted March 12, 2010 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekf     Edit/Delete Message
i have an astrology book that says that this is a major transit.
mine is supposed to happen this summer at 6 libra in my 6th house.
anyone have any experiences on what happened during this transit?
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posted March 12, 2010 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for milyi     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I don't mean to scare you, but I've had this when my mother passed away, of course she had been sick for a long time. Yes, definitely a fated event.

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posted March 12, 2010 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message
saturn recently completed its transit through my 7H & vertex & somewhere arnd that time,i met my long term partner(7 months is a long time for a person like me whose max has been 2 months of relationship in which the attraction lasted only for 2 weeks)...

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posted March 12, 2010 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
I had written this down in my notes about the Saturn transit to the Vertex, but I apparently didn't write down the source.

It's getting ready to cross over my guys's Vertex, so I was also interested in the meaning.

"Encountering authority figures, encountering a long awaited responsibility."

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posted March 12, 2010 08:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message
oh crap! i have that coming up in my 6th house!

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posted March 12, 2010 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message
me too!


Last time I had it was when I was 10, so no way to compare, really.

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posted March 13, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekf     Edit/Delete Message
well, saturn got pretty close in december. It went as far as 4.40 in january so I wonder if I should look at some of the things that happened then to see if there was a clue as to what kind of transit i can look forward to.

I have a book on Karmic Loves and it says the following (i translated from italian if it sounds poorly written or ESL.)

The Vertex is a theoretical point discovered by american astrologer Edward Johndro, even if it was made known my Charles Jayne, a respected american author. The ideogram symbolizes a full vase and points to our intrinsic potential that can be fully expressed - particularly if we are relating to another. This is why its analysis is important in synastry, in that it helps us understand the things we want to reach and the goals that have to do with our partner. The house in which the vertex falls in the natal chart indicates the area of life where we can best express these potentials. But whatever experience it has for us, it always has to do with “another” in order to be brought to conclusion. We must attribute the same characteristics as the 7th house, libra, venus. From a karmic point of view the vertex points to karmic reunions and can show, based on the placement of the surrounding planets, what kind of relationship we had in a past life.
Generally speaking the most important aspects are the conjunction and with very tight orbs with a maximum tolerance of 3°.
Conjunctions give us an idea of the type of person we are destined to meet (determined by the planet in conjunction) to best realize our relationship potential: for example if the planet is conjuncted by mercury chances are it will be a younger extremely dynamic partner to change our sentimental life, whereas if saturn is the planet involved it could be a companion who will rationalize and stabilize (offering security) the relationship through a concrete shift.

But going back to the base argument Lassalle says:

“the vertex reveals an orientation towards the other, a place in the chart where the success of something depends on the misactions, desires and projects of others. The vertex is reactive rather than active and should be considered a response more than an initiative. It’s the effect not the cause. Vertex shows the reaction of others towards us, to our actions, to our leaning towards them or to our creations”

This allows us to understand the way in which we react to rejections, being left, to the relationship, to Us. And it is exactly in the comparison of the charts that the vertex reveals its function and usefulness. In its relationship with the planets of the partner it points to the way in which we relate the partner and above all what we most need in our partners company. It’s our greatest request for help from our partner to bring out something that we hold inside ourselves.
Before getting to the analysis of the vertex it’s good to give a quick interpretation in terms of its position in the natal chart. In fact, among other things, this also tells us the type of “destined relationship” we need to live to be able to evolve to the next level emotionally and spiritually through distancing ourselves from links and conditioning that come from previous lives. Generally speaking the activation of the vertex happens with transits in conjunction with, and secondarily the square and opposition of Saturn, Chiron and Uranus.

Saturn transits point to the possibility of having to sacrifice something that we consider important in our life because it turns out to be the greatest obstacle to finding (or refinding) our twin soul. The meeting presented in this transit at the beginning seems difficult. It makes us nervous, misunderstood, we have the feeling to have made a huge mistake but then with time we understand that these feelings are no more than defenses and that our sentimental life can now truly go forward towards long lasting solidity and resolution of deep conflicts that go back to past lives.

Chiron in aspect to the vertex brings into our lives someone or something that teaches us to positively see and learn from prior experiences to avoid the same mistakes, to see old wounds that we probably bring forward from many lives. Lastly Uranus transits bring waves of chance and help pull out, usually in an excessive manner, the relationship potential of the vertex allowing us to give a new focus to our sentimental lives, thanks in part to a meeting of a partner who’s uninhibited (according to our standard relationship definitions), capable of going past old forms and habits that have accumulated over several lives making an emotional, mental and relational rebirth.

Vertex in the 5th house: Generally in this position the individual lives a full emotional life and tends to give a lot of space to passion. It might be that all of a sudden in this person’s life a partner can completely change your existence pushing you towards extremes.
The person with this position of the vertex doesn’t resist even one hour of love and doesn’t shy away from the possible emotional risks that come along. A more calm and balanced approach, and even the possibility to find the twin soul can come through a saturn vertex conjunction transit.

Vertex in the 6th house: With this placement the person lives their emotions in a fairly unfree manner and is linked to a series of obstacles that prevent them from fully living a relationship. It’s possible that there is a choice of love that is not free or that requires dedication, care, service or responsibility that can take magic out of the relationship. Some relationships may come from the workplace but they will have difficulty living freely outside of that sector of life. Chiron transits are the ones that change the path of these people, so that they can help develop their self worth and, most of all, look for relationships in which they can look for a daily space where they balance their heart learning, thanks to the partner, to bring greater lightness to their life.

Vertex in the 7th house: This person tends to have troubles living life without romantic relationships, they can’t stand emotional solitude for long periods and will do anything to be around people, even tollerating relationships that don’t meet their needs. Usually, however, they are able to find their twin soul and to realize many of their ideals of what shared life means. Time is this persons true ally and more importantly Saturn transits. They help these people find true, concrete answers and emotional serenity. The attainment of emotional happiness though comes through a series of rather difficult challenges, including unwanted solitude. The sacrifice is, however, paid in kind in the end.

Vertex in the 8th house: In many cases the sentimental life of these people seems rather temultuous and torturous without any routine or domestic warmth. These people have a rather idiosynchratic approach to these joys because their ideal relationship is definitely unusual and non alligned with what is traditionally considered necessary and satisfying for a couple. These people are attracted by “different” partners something unusual, intriguing that would allow a relationship full of surprises and drama. It is the transit of Chiron to act as a stimulator. To bring into the lives of these people the partner able to satisfy their intelligence and curiosity.

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posted March 13, 2010 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekf     Edit/Delete Message
here's another article:

The Vertex Axis: A Special Doorway
by guest astrologer Alice McDermott
Alice McDermott is an eminent Australian Astrologer who, as Alice Portman, has consulted and taught professionally for 35 years. In 1984, she received her Professional Member of the Federation of Australian Astrologers (PMFAA) qualification and became an Examiner for the FAA in 1986-1988. She first spoke on the Vertex at the FAA International Conference in 1986.

The late L. Edward Johndro (30 January 1882, 12.30 am, Franklin Center, Canada – Vertex conjunct South Node in Gemini) was first to present the Vertex for consideration by the astrological world. He reasoned that if the Ascendant was determined by the intersection of the Great Circles of the Ecliptic and Horizon and the MC was determined by the intersection of the Great Circles of the Meridian and Ecliptic, there should also be a very sensitive point of energy at the intersection of the Great Circles of the Prime Vertical and the Ecliptic. He called the western axis of this point the Vertex and the eastern the antiVertex. He felt that the Vertex was the electrical axis, the Ascendant the magnetic axis, and the MC the gravity axis in a natal chart.

The late Charles Jayne of New York (9 October 1911, 10.53 pm, Jenkintown, PA, - antiVertex conjunct Mars in Gemini) also deduced that the Vertex was a very important point in a natal chart. He and his students researched this further and came to the conclusion that the Vertex axis seemed to describe fateful or karmic encounters with others, which completely changed the lives of those concerned. He felt that the western point, the Vertex, was the stronger side of the axis.

I first discovered the Vertex around 1976-77. To explore how it worked I adjusted the calculations to the Southern Hemisphere and then studied its effect on my clients when it was activated by transits, Solar Arcs and Progressions. This has given me a whole Saturn return period of “hands on” research with thousands of people.

My conclusions are:

· The Vertex axis is not an especially strong point in a natal chart unless it has a planet or Node conjunct it or in close to exact aspect with it.

· If it has a planet or Node conjunct, it often becomes an over-riding force that makes the Vertex and that planet stronger than anything else in the chart, including a planet conjunct the Ascendant or MC.

· If it has a planet in close aspect it enhances that planet’s nature, its sign and house to a considerable degree, making that planet a very strong focus in the chart.

· A planet conjunct or in a close to exact aspect to the Vertex tends to give a specific and often intense destiny – something the person is required to do or experience for greater soul development, or must do in order to find meaning in life – or both!

· Therefore Vertex stimulation can have an almost compulsive effect that overrides all other considerations.

The Vertex axis can have such a strong effect because it is the third and most powerful axis in the life development process.

The Ascendant axis describes the physical body and brain and the environment in which a child is reared. A child does not see herself or himself as an individual, but as a part of a family and the environment.

As this child grows into an adult, s/he develops a sense of self as an individual, and eventually moves into the world to “make a mark”. This process is described by the MC axis, and in our cultures this process is mainly experienced through a career or avocation.

The Vertex axis stimulates Cosmic Awareness, an understanding that an individual is an integral part of the Universe, not just an isolated, separate entity. This is an enormously important and deeply freeing realization, but it can often require intense experiences (pleasant and/or unpleasant) to awaken someone to this understanding. This doesn’t mean that people without planets on angles in connection to the Vertex don’t have cosmic awareness, but it does mean that there is not such a strong stimulus to develop this awareness in this lifetime.

The Vertex axis can be likened to a doorway that gives access to other realities. It is usually highly emphasized, with a planet conjunct (orb 8°), in the charts of people who have this ability. The doorway is of the nature of the sign and house where the Vertex resides and powerfully emphasizes that sign, making it at least as important as that of the Ascendant and MC.

Astrologers often have Uranus and/or Neptune in close contact with the Vertex. Our own host, Noel Tyl, has Vertex in Scorpio quindecile Uranus in the 11th house. It seems he was destined to re-discover this very important aspect (the quindecile) and present it to the astrological community.

Following the Vertex as guide to other realities opens the door to subtle aspect measurements (harmonics). Septile (7th harmonic) patterns give the ability to understand other realities, the Vertex gives the ability to access other realities and so the combination of a septile pattern and a planet conjunct the Vertex is common in the natal charts of inspirational people, psychics and magicians. Uri Geller (20 December 1946, 2.00 am, Tel Aviv, Palestine) has Vertex conjunct North Node-Uranus in Gemini in a septile pattern with Moon-Venus-Jupiter-Saturn – surely a clear indication of his exceptional nature and gifts and the extraordinary experiences in his life.

Intensely creative people often have a planet conjunct the Vertex axis together with a quintile (5th harmonic) aspect or pattern.

Some exceptional people have a novile (9th harmonic) aspect or pattern connected to the Vertex. As the novile series of aspects are connected to initiation, this combination gives an intense initiation during this lifetime. It also gives the ability to act as an initiator for others.

FORECASTING

When the Vertex and the planet(s) it conjoins move to exact aspect by Solar Arc, key periods are clearly marked in childhood. There is usually a year made crucial through a major event, if there is also a transit or eclipse trigger, or through internal discovery of an unusual facet to your nature. From then on, all transits, Solar Arcs and Progressions to this point are highly sensitive, though not all will bring events in the outer world. The year that Solar Arc or Progressions bring together the Vertex and its ruler is also a powerful period.

Transits, Solar Arcs and Progressions involving the Vertex rarely have a huge effect on those who do not have planets stimulating the natal Vertex angle. It can just mean meeting those who in some way have an unusual influence on you, and often only for the duration of the transit or direction.

However, for those with a natal Vertex highlighted there is usually one powerful period of destiny in the life that is designed to awaken the person to a wider reality. During this period the Vertex can bring very big events indeed. Christopher Reeve (25 September 1952, 3.12 am New York NY) had natal Vertex conjunct Chiron in Capricorn in wide novile to his Descendant. The natal bi-novile between the Vertex and Saturn (its ruler) described the likelihood of a deep initiation this lifetime. When Vertex-Chiron moved by Solar Arc to his Descendant, and Saturn moved to novile his Vertex, he had an accident that left him paralyzed from the neck down. Christopher Reeve then became a powerful force for stem-cell research that has the potential to radically improve our ability to repair severe injuries.

There is usually only one powerful period of destiny in the life, but many Vertex activations. The other times the Vertex is triggered usually indicates meeting people, animals or even computers who have a profound or unusual long lasting effect.

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posted March 13, 2010 03:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message
I went to a series of Anthony Robins workshops when Saturn was on my Vertex, I also handed in my notice to my first "proper" job after graduating from uni.

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posted March 13, 2010 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ekf     Edit/Delete Message
"Chiron transits are the ones that change the path of these people, so that they can help develop their self worth and, most of all, look for relationships in which they can look for a daily space where they balance their heart learning, thanks to the partner, to bring greater lightness to their life."

I just looked this up and Chiron conjuncted my vertex in October 1995. I'm 98% sure (have to check w. ex bfriend) that this is when i bought my ticket for my first trip to Italy. I then moved to Italy permanently in 1998.

I also met someone random on my trip to Italy in Feb 1996 who i never saw again until he contacted me through facebook 1 year ago. we've now become instrumental in each other's work lives. hmmm...

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posted March 13, 2010 04:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message
my 7H vertex conj chiron natally & sq the nodes.
when saturn was transiting my 6H(cancer),i was diagnosed with anorexia & by the end of it i learnt many things. my nat virgo moon's in the 8H & kinqunks saturn so an eating disorders' justified. uranus/nept were transiting my 1H & pluto the 11H.

now saturn's decided to screw my 8H & within the next 4-5 years it will spell DISASTER by hammering 4 sag planets,jupe & plewto in scorpio in the 10H...

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posted March 13, 2010 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
this couldn't be more "on time" for me, thanks, ekf...

first to answer your question. when saturn conjuncted my vertex i met my daughter's father, a definite soulmate tho we split up later...and a couple of years ago it conjuncted again, and i met someone else who significantly affected my life, though the contact was brief it was every bit as defining to me as when i met my ex..! uncanny, eh?

my vertex is in h7 conj merc natally, square chiron and opposite my moon. it also sextiles uranus...and saturn is natally but 6 degrees away, so not a real tight fit but a definite influence...

my ex has his pluto 3 degrees away, in fact smack between my vertex/merc and my saturn. so he looks like the perfect person to trigger that transit...or to appear on it anyway.

and interestingly chiron is just about to conj my moon and OPPOSE my vertex, for the first time in 50+ years. looking back to when this happened before i believe it was when i skipped out of 5th grade and into a tiny new school ... i will have to check the ephemeris to confirm that though!!

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posted March 14, 2010 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Duke     Edit/Delete Message
interesting... all my taurus ascendants let me hear u say heyyyyyy. a saturn moving over the vertex may be quite the thing to experience, USUALLY, but.. saturn is exalted in libra.. libra is ruled by venus. so, it can only mean good things as far as u vertex's are concerned.

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