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blue moon
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posted March 12, 2010 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Not wanting to carry Jacque's thread off on a tangent I have posted this as her thread asking about Pluto in synastry and if it should it be avoided make me think.... what if you have a planet conjunct Pluto on your chart?

Like many people on LL I have Moon/Pluto. Avoid Pluto, you avoid my Moon. I can't imagine being in close relationships for years with someone who doesn't affect my Moon somehow.

If I flick through my sample charts nature takes this into account as my sons and my parents have planets aspecting my Moon/Pluto and in the realms of choice, my husband.

People I meet I can feel if they affect it strongly. Is it always negative, no, it's not, I suppose it can be but you have to put it all together. Pluto is my ruling planet, I suppose I just can't ignore it and opt out.

Sun/Pluto people might feel the same on this but I there seems to be less around than Moon/Pluto, there always seems to have been a lot of us.

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posted March 12, 2010 06:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
What is your question? Is it "Do you need a person's chart to aspect your moon?
If that is the question---I realized that I NEED someone to aspect my unaspected Venus in a love relationship.
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posted March 12, 2010 07:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
There isn't a question. It's an invitation to comment. In general, not about me in particular.

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posted March 12, 2010 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jacque     Edit/Delete Message
I have a question about Mars trine Pluto in your natal chart. I read somewhere ppl with this aspect can manifest what they want. It brings some kind of super human force to the individual. Is that true?

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posted March 12, 2010 11:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
hello blue moon, just passing by and wanted to give MY experience of it.

in my current job, I work with a guy. he's a leo, his sun opposing mine exactly, his mars conjunct my uranus in scorpio exactly (his mars is also trine my pisces venus exactly) and most relevant to the thread, his pluto is less than 1 degree from my libra moon.

when I first saw him, he was a cool guy that helped me learn all the ropes. he was patient and all, but I didn't saw him as a potential object of obsession because I found out that he had a girlfriend, and besides, he was not exactly my type. he kind of laugh very loudly, in a special... not sincere way, that is so typical of the rural area where I curently live. even though I come from the same place, I've traveled a bit and have a distaste for my roots, or the most crude aspect of it.

but through time, I started to appreciate his down to earth attitude, very much involved in his work, then after work going to work on the farm of his dad, and he's got the same dream than me, to rebuild houses and create a sort of hotel/restaurant in the countryside.

but I knew he was straight, and even though I'm always attracted by the impossible type (venus and psyche in pisces "save ME please" - eros in aries "impossible? what does THAT mean?" BTW, his sag eros exactly trine mine ) I would not, initially consider him an option. but through time, I found him curiously considerate of me. I'm going through a rough time psychologically and my other workmate seem to find any faults in my behaviour a cause of concern... and discussion, but throughout all this, he remained loyal, although concerned by my obvious weaknesses and pushing me a bit, but always truly deeply gentle. I made him blush a few times when looking at him. not that I did or say anything because hisq girlfriend works in the same place, but just by looking at him, first discreetly, then quite obviously, to him only. or may be it was when I insited to get his time of birth because as I told him, I REALLY WANTED TO KNOW; anyway, it's messy but I hope you don't mind, I tend to feel like I entered the bermuda triangle when I think of him. I don't even tell you when I am with him. it's all silent. I can't speak with words, i say everything with eyes, and he clearly doesn't mind and understand and accpet all my silent communication.

anyway, back to his girlfriend and all that. once we talked about relationships and how to deal with being betrayed (sexually), I said I wouldn't like that and would not tolerate it. he said he would but start to look elsewhere too. and in the conversation, he told me that before his current girlfriend (1 year relationship) he would frequently drive 3 hours away to the big city... a thing you must do if you want gay sex, cause here it's either nearly impossible, or very dangerous cause everyone knows everything about everybody. but He could as well just want to visit some friends or something.

he's always looking for my eyes, and seems to understand me without words. my mars is on his mercury, which could explain it??? may be.

I don't know, I play it safe cause I know where we live and the type of people here, and even though nobody exactly understand why I'm a thirty year old, decent guy still single, I manage to keep the suspicion about my sexuality silent. the look, height, attitude and all that make it alright. but I have worked in another job around here where it had been found out and one of the colleague there was one of his friend so I bet he has heard of something, at least in the form of rumour. but he never said anything, even he's more gentle everyday, and he's not the type of guy you would present to the queen without a bit of etiquette grooming.

oh I forgot to talk about his booooooooooooooody!!!!! haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! I mean, forgive me but ******* hell, he's ******* ******** , just a pure pornstar, well I don't know about that but I get a hard on thinking of him, sometimes when I'm next to him, I pray to get it down because it could become obvious. he's body is slim but bloody muscular, large shoulders, narrow hips, not massively out of shaped arms but absolutely full of muscle, not the type who goes to the gym but the one who is naturally strong because of work. you can count his abs, his bum is round and just soooooooooo yummyyyy! honestly he's so hot I could fry eggs on his chest, or bum! and once his girlfriend was talking about something at work and commented on the size of that tool (work) and she stopped for a second, I guess she thought of something else. her, she's a bitck, not because I'm jealous, although I still curse life to make HER be allowed to pleasure him at will. but I don't want to hurt her and I keep preparing myself for the day he wants to be more intimate, cause that day I will be in the bermuda triazngle and must resist. once or twice we met in the lookeroom (besdies the regular moments when we go "naked" to "individual showers -which is lucky cause once I couldn't come out without raising eyebrows and suspicion), and those times he seemed to find it hard to close his clothes, his suit was well open to the begining of his underwear and he had a huge smile and came close to me, I don't know what my face looked like.

I find it alright when I'm away and not focus on him. I mean I can go on and deal with things but when he's on my mind, or near me, I loose it. I'm just an animal wanting to get it. I guess with time I would be satisfied and see other sides of him but as long as i'm just trying to guess the size of it, I can't have a proper discussion. I tend to be so emotionally confused that I say stupid things. I plan to change jobs soon. I need to stay there for still one more month, but then, I want to go because there are just two possibilities, either we **** , which I don't want, or we fight, which I don't want either. I say fight because the all thing is too intense too remain on the silent mode.

but I wish him ALL the best in the world. he's such a sweetheart, gay or not. he hides his vulnerability very well, like an aries rising that I think he is. a loveable, ******** gorgeous hot hot handsome man.

this is something I wanted to share almost 2 month ago

ok, rant over, back on my mountain.

see ya BM

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Quinnie
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posted March 13, 2010 05:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Pluto is conjunct my Sun so I have learnt to just deal with Pluto... infact I LOVE Pluto... a regular Proserpina....at least that's how I deal with it.... Half of my time is spent obsessing over relationships or potential love interests (Pluto in Libra) and the other half spent actually enjoying them.

The thing about Pluto is that because it intensifies everything it contacts it just won't settle for less than pure, unadulterated... it's a theme in my life that I am comfortable with but the people around me not so much.......all or nothing?
In this respect it sorts out the wheat from the chaff .... In the wise words of Beyonce...."Can you handle this..? Boy I dont think you handle it...woooh"....

It's like being a princess... awaiting for her suitor to prove his worth and you have to kiss ALOT of frogs... or put another way deal with all the crap, superficial anything that is not of the soul because Pluto wants your soul.... but in return... he'll give you it back again... only with new dimension.

You don't want to be changed at an inner level from a relationship... stay away from Pluto
If you want to grow, to challenge yourself, to know yourself Pluto aspects in relationship indicate that thats what will happen,and without a doubt!

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Lara
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posted March 13, 2010 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hey BM

I love Pluto. All three of my major relationships in my life the men have had scorp sun or scorp AC. In fact two of them had pluto AC at almost the same degree!
Natally, i have pluto trine mars (it could be a manifesting aspect), pluto quincunx moon/venus/saturn/nn, neptune sextile pluto and sun/mercury opposing scorpio.

I love someone else's pluto aspecting my chart in a big way!

GREAT post Quinnie!

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Ami Ann
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posted March 13, 2010 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Pluto is conjunct my Sun so I have learnt to just deal with Pluto... infact I LOVE Pluto... a regular Proserpina....at least that's how I deal with it.... Half of my time is spent obsessing over relationships or potential love interests (Pluto in Libra) and the other half spent actually enjoying them.

The thing about Pluto is that because it intensifies everything it contacts it just won't settle for less than pure, unadulterated... it's a theme in my life that I am comfortable with but the people around me not so much.......all or nothing?
In this respect it sorts out the wheat from the chaff .... In the wise words of Beyonce...."Can you handle this..? Boy I dont think you handle it...woooh"....

It's like being a princess... awaiting for her suitor to prove his worth and you have to kiss ALOT of frogs... or put another way deal with all the crap, superficial anything that is not of the soul because Pluto wants your soul.... but in return... he'll give you it back again... only with new dimension.

You don't want to be changed at an inner level from a relationship... stay away from Pluto
If you want to grow, to challenge yourself, to know yourself Pluto aspects in relationship indicate that thats what will happen,and without a doubt!


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Very interesting Quinnie

I am trying to embrace Pluto ,too. Pluto takes you on tidal waves and you must ride or the wave will push you under .
I don't have it strong in the natal chart but in transit. x o x o Ami


PS Beyonce knows the way LOL.

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posted March 13, 2010 07:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beth77     Edit/Delete Message
I can always when a persons planets are activating my pluto (which is conjunct my sun, so I really feel it). Depending on how strong the aspect is and between what planet will vary but I (as the pluto person) always feel that I have to know that person and have to get under their skin in some way. Its and intense experiance and not always the best relationships for me but I have got to the point where if I feel a certain way about a person I am not at all surprised to find for example their venus making aspects to my pluto.

Ami interesting that you have found a way to embrace your Pluto conjunct your sun. I must say I still struggle with this aspect, any tips?

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posted March 13, 2010 07:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for alanabelle86     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think any planet should be avoided. ALL of your planets make up the individual you become so by "avoiding" one planet or aspect, you essentially remove an important part of yourself.

That being said,

I don't think Pluto is such a big deal. I have the Sun conjunct Pluto, Moon square Pluto, Mars square Pluto, and Jupiter (chart ruler) trine Pluto.

If you have any planet highlighted, especially with a luminary, chances are that the significant people you meet will have some placement in their chart that aspects one or both planets.

With all my Pluto aspects (and 8th house planets, AND Scorpio placements...) I need intense, extreme people in my life. You won't get intense/extreme without Pluto...it is only necessary that I attract them in order to form the deep bonds that I tend to.

One thing is that people CAN bring out the worst or best of it but ultimately it's up to you how you use the energy and how you choose to express certain energies externally and internally.

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posted March 13, 2010 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beth77     Edit/Delete Message
I am a sun conjunct pluto person in Libra, in my 7th house along with my mercury, venus, moon and north node all somewhat conjunct my pluto. With Pluto I do feel very much drawn to intense people such as scorpio types but I feel that having pluto conjunct my sun makes me want to hide myself in a way? I secretly long to have a relationship which is all consuming but I can't deal with the level of exposure that comes with that. I am a very private person and can be secretive even when their is no need. As a result I have found myself most at ease in relationships with people who don't really get me because it feels like I can still be hidden and private? When I meet a man who wants to know all about me, wants to nosey through my books and cd's and photographs, see my art etc I find it too exposing.

Can anybody else relate to this? I'm sure it's a Pluto thing.

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posted March 13, 2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I am a sun conjunct pluto person in Libra, in my 7th house along with my mercury, venus, moon and north node all somewhat conjunct my pluto. With Pluto I do feel very much drawn to intense people such as scorpio types but I feel that having pluto conjunct my sun makes me want to hide myself in a way? I secretly long to have a relationship which is all consuming but I can't deal with the level of exposure that comes with that. I am a very private person and can be secretive even when their is no need. As a result I have found myself most at ease in relationships with people who don't really get me because it feels like I can still be hidden and private? When I meet a man who wants to know all about me, wants to nosey through my books and cd's and photographs, see my art etc I find it too exposing.

Can anybody else relate to this? I'm sure it's a Pluto thing.

That sounds very hard ,Beth.
There must be some a with a chart that could complement yours.
I wonder what those qualities would be that could help either balance your Pluto or help YOU deal with the intensity of the energy?
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posted March 13, 2010 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beth77     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the imput Ami, yeah it is an odd one. I think that all the pluto energy in my chart is good in someways but having it all in my 7th house is hard when it comes to relating to others. I dislike people touching me or getting too close physically unless it is a man I am in a sexual relationship with. People assume this is because I am a non tactile person and I let them think that but it is actually because often such randon contact feels almost sexually charged and erotic to me. It's awful to feel so easily affected that way. As a child I hated people to touch my hair because I thought they would be able to know what I was thinking if they did and I still feel that way a bit. I feel like everything I am thinking and feeling must be obvious to others when it isn't and I think this is how pluto affects me. It's like the energy of pluto is turned in on me and I'm not working with it but sort of submitting to it.

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posted March 13, 2010 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
Anyone else here with Moon conjunct Pluto? I seriously believe that this one aspect stands at the forefront of who I am, and how I live my life. Everything in my life as always been "all or nothing", "life or death", everything matters..."to the death". I don't do anything lightly. I have a hard time remaining detached from anything. If you are important to me, I will take a bullet for you. When you look up the aspect, it says things like "loves deeply and tenaciously", "yearns for intensity". And that's pretty accurate. I had an intuitive reading once, and the woman said "you are a full, pulsating love bug". I had to laugh when she said it like that. But now when I think about it, I guess she was feeling my Moon conjunct Pluto.

We also have Moon conjunct Pluto in our composite, so it's like a double shot, you know?

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posted March 13, 2010 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beth77     Edit/Delete Message
Hi venus in gemini, yeah I have pluto conjunct my moon but also nearly all my other personal planets so it's hard for me to sort out what is what interms of it's effect. Like you if I class a person as a friend I am loyal to the death, even if they betray me or we drift apart I never stop caring. I would say though that my pluto stops me making friends lightly is what should be a typically Libran way.

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posted March 13, 2010 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beth77     Edit/Delete Message
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posted March 13, 2010 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Beth
The strong Pluto sounds very hard. I complain about my Mars in Cancer but your Pluto trumps that.LOL
I have to think that there IS an energy that would help you balance out the strong Pluto.
Perhaps, it is an energy you have not thought of.
For me, I always sought guys with Earth. Every serious b/f was an earth sign and a strong one.
Now, I have an all fire guy. He balances out my air and water better than earth.
He helps ME absorb the hard air and water energies by warming them with fire.
I never knew that fire would be a balance to me.
When I get very watery, his fire burns away the excess water.
When I feel cold(water and air)--the fire helps me to feel warm .
I am permanently changed too--not just always needing to be re-charged.
Ami

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posted March 13, 2010 01:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beth77     Edit/Delete Message
I have mars in cancer as well, I had not even thought of that as being an issue.

Thanks for your advice though. My most long term relationship was with an aries so you may have something there.

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posted March 13, 2010 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I am experiencing it right now or I would never have known.
My Mars in Cancer has me really shut down to my primal feelings.
I didn't realize it before but the fire is comfortable with deep feelings and passions.
I am getting better cuz of re-connecting to my primal self. Ami


PS You have ALL that Pluto and THEN Mars in Cancer. That sounds like a powder keg cuz Mars in Cancer holds on to anger .
It does not express it directly.
Do you feel like a powder keg?

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posted March 13, 2010 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Beth77     Edit/Delete Message
My problem with anger is that I cannot express it at all, rather I turn it on in myself which is anything but good for me!

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posted March 14, 2010 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Duke     Edit/Delete Message
i too, am a fan of pluto. i have the pleasure of having it opposing my ascendant and the most meaningful relationship i've had, was with quite the plutonian person. synastry as well. pluto conjunct my sun to the degree. it also was in conjunction with his sun.. that definitely helped things out.. we had moon/venus venus/mars conjunctions as well. i was the moon and venus and his was the venus and mars. fulfilled that seventh house pluto of mine. my pluto is in scorpio btw.. just in case anyone is wondering.

makes some kind of aspect to my mars. im not sure of how i'd be able to explain it but superpower my not be far off from the force it reckons. its quite intoxicating. i enjoy it from time to time.. not that i consciously seek it out of course, but when and if the need ever arises for it, their powers certainly come in handy.

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posted March 14, 2010 09:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
From Beth 77
My problem with anger is that I cannot express it at all, rather I turn it on in myself which is anything but good for me!


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I would have thought that it would be very hard with all that Pluto energy and THEN mars in Cancer.
My chart is easy next to that. There must be a way to deal with it though.
There are always 'ways out" of our dilemma's.
I ask God to help me and he sends me people, experiences, hobbies, outlets etc to deal with my hard aspects.
My hardest seems to be Mars in Cancer. I need to be more direct with my own power. I need to be able to be confident with strong feelings and the primal parts of myself.
Do you feel Mars in Cancer as repression of your primal self. IOW, do you feel disconnected from your feelings and basic instincts? Ami

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posted March 14, 2010 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4yJJVjSDLQ

Pluto love

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posted March 14, 2010 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
pire!! my dear!! so glad to see youXX

i also have sun/pluto(+ merlin!) and i also love it...though when i was younger i had a VERY hard time gauging the effect it had on others - steamrollers are hard for some people to deal with!, and also had to learn to accept that loss is a part of life from quite early on...

as far as how it works in synastry i find that pluto contacts make "sense" to me where other people would be frightened by them. non pluto people wonder why i get stuck on things the way i do...

in the original "synastry" thread the poster was wondering if the pluto contacts would be problematic, but the two people had conjunct plutos, so i couldn't see why it would be a problem for either of them since they both have to deal with it personally. and i think that is the crux, if you are a "pluto person" then in synastry it feels familiar. though if the other person's pluto hits something in your chart that is NOT used to pluto energy it can take a lot of adjustment to say the least.

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posted March 15, 2010 12:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jacque     Edit/Delete Message
hi everyone,

I have Mars trine Pluto, Sun trine Pluto, Mercury trine Pluto, Neptune Sextile Pluto & Pluto in Libra in my 8th house, in my natal. I am attracted to Scorpio types but other than that I'm not sure what kind of effect it has on me or others ..

So when you'll say you love your sun/pluto etc what do you love about it? Please elaborate, I would love to know. Thanks.

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