posted March 17, 2010 06:29 AM         

I was only making good points that aspects for schizophrenia are not cut and dry because the symptoms/traits of schizophrenia overlap with those of neurodivergence. Autistic Spectrum used to be thought as a type of schizophrenia. Also many neurodivergents have history of psychiatric disorders too.

Those are facts. That's why mental health screening is part of the assessment for checking to see if people have neurodivergent conditions. I know personally because I have been through these assessments.

That's one of the things that I try to raise awareness of as a neurodiversity advocate.

I am in the process of starting a nonprofit neurodiversity organization, Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA) to help,support my fellow neurodivergents and to promote neurodiversity here in USA.

It's going to be similar to DANDA in the UK. http://www.danda.org.uk/

I would also be pushing for psychiatric reform that would include psychiatrists doing neurological and psychological testing to differentiate neurodivergence from psychiatric disorders instead of going by just observations. You can't judge a book by its cover. This especially goes for people with neurodivergence.

my neurodiversity blog http://people.tribe.net/4b0cf8c4-1fc3-4171-92d3-b0915985bf95/blog

I was a speaker at Autistic Spectrum and Special Needs Mini-Conference http://www.meetup.com/sacramento-autism-and-special-needs/calendar/12711229/

I am also into Astrological Neuropsychology,and so I am very interested in astrological indicators for neurodivergence which I believe can be the same indicators for schizophrenia and other psychiatric disorders. Like I said before,the traits overlap. Many of the aspects that astrologers focus on (including the ones that you listed) as psychiatric disorders are also ones that fit with neurodivergence as well as people that fit with Indigo,Crystal stuff.
schizophrenic.

Neurodivergence isn't a medical problem
It's a neurological/learning difference that has strengths and not just weaknesses.
That's what the Neurodiversity Movement is about helping raising awareness and understanding that neurodivergent conditions are variation of the human condition just like being homosexuality is a variation of sexuality.

Heck..I would love to marry a neurodivergent woman with ADHD,Dyslexia,and/or Dyspraxia and have neurodivergent children. She and I could work together to help other neurodivergents and support the neurodiversity movement just like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and Corretta Scott King who were both black worked together to fight for civil rights which blacks lacked in the Southern part of the USA.

any ways..I am tired of you talking down to others, being patronizing and condescending like people are stupid and ignorant because you disagree with what they type.You have done it to other people and not just me. I have defended those people when you talked down to them.

another thing

Lets remember that many people believe that Astrology is a pseudoscience that has no validity. This includes majority of the psychiatric community,scientific community. We would all be viewed as delusional,schizophrenics or schizotypal personality for our metaphysical perceptions, beliefs and practices.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 17, 2010 03:12 PM         

yes, I'm hard on ppl sometimes. superficiality and ignorance annoys me. I don't owe anyone respect. that must be earned. this is not a human rights forum. this is about ideas, an intellectual arena. someone who doesn't bother to Google a word and starts a post about "Szchipronia" does not deserve any respect by default.

and why do you need to defend anyone? would some discipline really hurt? would knowledge kill them? do you want them to remain ignorant and misinformed and full of prejudice? do you want to be the king of the blind?

posted March 18, 2010 02:01 PM         

Raymond also tired to give some explanation to you..

posted March 18, 2010 05:25 PM         

Abstract
Receptive language disorder in schizophrenia is hypothesized to represent a learning disorder that involves a
neurodevelopmental etiology. It is argued that a preexisting developmental language disorder may characterize a subset of
schizophrenia patients. A primary deficit in the temporal dynamics of brain function is assumed to cause receptive language
disorder in schizophrenia. This hypothesized core deficit includes both disturbance in the processing of rapid, sequential
information and disruptions to patterns of brain activation and synchronization. These timing deficits may alter the way
associative connections are formed and/or accessed in semantic memory. It is suggested that abnormalities in second-messenger
pathways of subcortical–cortical circuitry offer an etiological nexus for language dysfunction in schizophrenia and
developmental dyslexia.

2. The language system in schizophrenia and
dyslexia

2.1. Schizophrenia

Language disturbance was among the first clinical features described for schizophrenia (Bleuler, 1911/
1950; Kraepelin, 1919/1971) and is considered, by some writers, fundamental to its etiology (Crow, 1997). Speech production abnormalities currently serve as obvious diagnostic symptoms (American
Psychiatric Association, 2000). Abnormalities in receptive language processes are also reliably detected
for patients and their nonpsychotic family members,including disturbances to word perception, sentence comprehension, and semantic and syntactic processing
(for reviews, see Condray et al., 2002; DeLisi, 2001; Minzenberg et al., 2002).
The language dysfunction associated with schizophrenia may involve a neurodevelopmental etiology.
Crow et al. (1995) determined that individuals diagnosed with schizophrenia in adulthood were characterized by reading disabilities (word recognition)
identified during middle childhood (7 years).
Cannon et al. (2002) found receptive language
dysfunction during early childhood for individuals who later developed schizophreniform disorder during
early adulthood. In contrast, expressive language (speech production) dysfunction during childhood was not associated with adulthood schizophreniform disorder. These longitudinally based findings suggest
that receptive language disturbance predates a schizophrenia diagnosis in adulthood and implicate a developmental process for this cognitive disability.
Earlier reports of increased rates of dyslexia and reading disability in the children of schizophrenia patients (Fish, 1987; Marcus, 1974; Rieder and
Nichols, 1979) are supportive of this interpretation.

2.2. Dyslexia
Developmental dyslexia is the most common of the learning disorders, with prevalence rates ranging from 5% to 17.5% of children accounting for 80% of the individuals who are considered learning disabled
(Shaywitz, 1998). This learning disorder appears stable across development. Both cross-sectional and longitudinal data indicate that the reading problems of
developmental dyslexia continue into adolescence and adulthood (Jacobson, 1999; Slaghuis et al., 1996).
Traditionally, dyslexia has been defined as a
reading disorder that exists within the context of adequate visual acuity, intelligence, and education (for
an overview, see Katz et al., 2001). This perspective is reflected in the definition adopted by the International Dyslexia Association: Dyslexia is one of several distinct learning disabilities.
It is a specific language-based disorder of constitutional origin characterized by difficulties in single word decoding, usually reflecting insufficient phonological
processing. These difficulties in single word
decoding are often unexpected in relation to age and other cognitive and academic abilities; they are not the result of generalized developmental disability or
sensory impairment. Dyslexia is manifest by difficulty with different forms of language, often including, in addition to problems with reading, a conspicuous problem with acquiring proficiency in writing and
spelling. (Lyon, 1995, p. 9)
In other views, dyslexia represents a syndrome that can include a range of additional cognitive and behavior dysfunction (Frith, 1999; Galaburda, 1999),
such as the positive symptoms of psychosis proneness (Richardson, 1994) and working memory (Plaza and Guitton, 1997) and attention (Duncan et al., 1994; Hari
and Renvall, 2001) deficits. This heterogeneous pattern thus parallels the familiar gestalt for schizophrenia.

http://www.wpic.pitt.edu/research/biome trics/Publications/Biometrics%20Archives%20PDF/890-2005%20Condary%20Sz%20Res%20Lang%20Disord.pdf

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 18, 2010 05:39 PM         

Mercury-Neptune fit with both Schizophrenia and Dyslexia

I have Mercury parallel Neptune,Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint, and Mars square Mercury/Neptune midpoint.

The following are interpretations keywords from Ruth Brummond's Rulebook. They list a bunch of possibilities that have to do with the planetary symbolisms.

Mercury parallel Neptune
ME.NE.*
+ intuitive. highly perceptive. thinks in the abstract. has an active imagination. skilled at empathizing. has reliable hunches. future-oriented. interested in metaphysical factors. highly imaginative. daydreams. imitative.
Secret thoughts. Obscure conversation. Private communications. Discussion of the unknown. Intuitively-aided communication. Opinions about the future. Thoughts of the immaterial. Motion in the water or air. Acting ability.
- self-deceiving. deluded. deceptive. unreliable. absent-minded. forgetful. prone to misjudge.
Unclear ideas. Deceit in a discussion. Disillusionment due to a conversation. Uncertainty or unreliability in connection with communications. Confusion. To be resigned to fate.

Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint
SU.ME.NE.
+ intuitive. has a lively and impressionistic mind. sensitive. sentimental. interested in metaphysical factors. inspired. quick to figure things out. highly imaginative. inquisitive. capable at abstract thinking. daydreams. future-oriented.
Discussion/s of a reclusive or secretive man. Communication about a man's uncertainty or instability. Discussion of physical vulnerabilities.
- easily impressed. deluded. indecisive. easily swayed. unrealistic. doesn't think clearly. absent-minded. confused. prone to lie. lacking in self-reliance.
Unclear ideas of man. Deceiving conversation with the husband. Deceit in younger years. The unconsciousness of youth. Thoughts of physical weakness. Days of Untruth. Years of business losses.

Mars square Mercury/Neptune midpoint
ME.MA.NE
+ intuitive. highly imaginative. resourceful. inventive. private. obscure. circumspect. future-oriented. works with metaphysical factors.
To put ideas into action intuitively. Talk of obscure activities. To enact progressive ideas. To proceed diplomatically. Preoccupied with nonmaterial themes. Pseudonyms.
- secretive. insincere. underhanded. shifty. deceitful. easily imposed upon. irresolute. hesitant. aimless. weak-willed. contrary.
To not keep promises. Words without action. Active business deceit. Discussion of mistakes. Deceiving course of a conversation. Plan without prospects. Deceitful intentions. Endless prattle. Weak brain functions.

but yeah

I stress the importance of needing to differentiate neurodivergence from schizophrenia

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 19, 2010 12:14 AM         

She had just given birth to twins and was very happily married, shes very wealthy and had no problems in the world until on this day she discovered her husband sleeping with another woman 20 years younger than her and in the next bedroom.

She went into shock and for the first time in her life actually experienced hurt and pain. Shes very bubbly and always smiling (love her sag moon). but as you can see venus rules her 7th (marriage) and 12th house.

Saturn was conjunct her venus showing the problems with love and her marriage and also set off the start of her psychological issues. she started to hear voices and developed panic attacks and went into depression. Several times she has tried to kill herself and has been very unhappy since.

My poor aunty who i love alot has her 8th and 6th plus 12th house rulers all together in the 12th house opposing dillusional neptune in her 6th house of health. Moon also in 6th shows emotional issues with a square from pluto which also rules her 6th house.

6th and 12th is intercepted showing major issues around that area of her life and it is really sad to see people victims of a fuc**Ed up chart.. Sometimes it just makes you think that we have no choice over who we are or what we become because at the end of the day our natal chart shows everything very clearly.