posted March 27, 2010 01:45 PM         

My pr Sun has entered Aquarius recently and making nice square to my natal and pr Uranus.
On top of that Tr Uranus was squaring my Sun and Mercury on 26 Sagittarius.

posted March 27, 2010 01:47 PM         

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posted March 27, 2010 01:48 PM         

I still don´t think they are strongER than longitudinal conjunctions / oppositions. Maybe that is just due to my affinity for equality.
I think they are strong each on their own, but I now definitely think that parallels can be a reason why seemingly wideorbed aspects seem to be in effect.

posted March 27, 2010 02:30 PM         

Astronomers would catch this

What is being referred to as declinations by Magi Astrologers is heliocentric ecliptic latitude.

There is also geocentric ecliptic latitude too. The Mainstream Western Astrology zodiac is the geocentric ecliptic longitude.

please note:

In astronomy, declination (abbrev. dec or δ is one of the two coordinates of the equatorial coordinate system, the other being either right ascension or hour angle. Declination in astronomy is comparable to geographic latitude, but projected onto the celestial sphere. Declination is measured in degrees north and south of the celestial equator. Points north of the celestial equator have positive declinations, while those to the south have negative declinations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declination

The equatorial coordinate system is a widely-used method of mapping celestial objects. It functions by projecting the Earth's geographic poles and equator onto the celestial sphere. The projection of the Earth's equator onto the celestial sphere is called the celestial equator. Similarly, the projections of the Earth's north and south geographic poles become the north and south celestial poles, respectively. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_coordinate_system

The celestial equator is a great circle on the imaginary celestial sphere, in the same plane as the Earth's equator. In other words, it is a projection of the terrestrial equator out into space. As a result of the Earth's axial tilt, the celestial equator is inclined by ~23.5° with respect to the ecliptic plane.

An observer standing on the Earth's equator visualizes the celestial equator as a semicircle passing directly overhead through the zenith. As the observer moves north (or south), the celestial equator tilts towards the southern (or northern) horizon. The celestial equator is defined to be infinitely distant (since it is on the celestial sphere); thus the observer always sees the ends of the semicircle disappear over the horizon exactly due east and due west, regardless of the observer's position on Earth. (At the poles, though, the celestial equator would be parallel to the horizon.) At all latitudes the celestial equator appears perfectly straight because the observer is only finitely far from the plane of the celestial equator but infinitely far from the celestial equator itself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_equator

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posted March 27, 2010 02:54 PM         

I have a question.

You need both, declination and longitude, to locate an object, is that right, or did I get it wrong?

posted March 28, 2010 02:08 PM         

My Sun 17,31 N
My AC 17,32 N
My Jup 17,32 N
My orcus 17,23 N

I also have venus 18,34 N but I think that is out of orb. Maybe my venus 18,34 N more is in Parallel to my moon 19,18 N, Pluto 19,19 N. Should I count venus? I have no aspect from venus in longi to my moon and pluto?

How should all of this work out if they work out as a big stellium?

I must learn more about parallel it's so interesting.

It looks like it's more importent in our life than I thought.

I see Declin transit pluto soon in orb to my parallel moon and pluto. Transit pluto now 18,12 S.

posted March 28, 2010 02:42 PM         

pr Sun contraparallel pr Moon
pr Sun parallel pr Neptune
pr Moon contraparallel pr Neptune

And I have
pr Mars parallel natal Venus

posted March 28, 2010 03:19 PM         

My declin PR venus 16,33 N
My declin PR mars 20,46 N
My declin PR jupit 18,7 N
My declin PR pluto 18,7 N

My declin SA N.N 16,10 N
My declin SA moon 19,40 N
My declin SA mars 19,40 N
My declin SA MC 19,22 N

All of the PR and SA should work as a conj to all of my natal below? My God... OK there is much in my life just now...Yes it is..a new life. I think it's only the beginning when I'm look at the SA/PR/Transit if I also use Parallels...

Parallels
Sun 17,31 N
AC 17,32 N
Moon 19,18 N
Venus 18,34 N
Jupiter 17,32 N
Pluto 19,19 N
Orcus 17,23 N
Pallas 19,35 N

posted March 28, 2010 08:37 PM         

I have a question.

You need both, declination and longitude, to locate an object, is that right, or did I get it wrong?"

I think so. The astronomers look at both declination and right ascension...so both latitude and longitude equatorial coordinates.

"But if we assume I am right, then BOTH would be needed and be important, wouldn`t they?"

yes
for astronomers

but astrologers have done fine with ecliptic longitude, but some astrologers use declinations along with them. Philip Sedgwick says that it's like mixing apples and oranges because they are different coordinates. There is some validity with eclipses and occultations with correlate with bodies aspect in both declination and ecliptic longitude.

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posted March 29, 2010 01:25 AM         

Person A: Venus 18 4'31 S
Person B: Sun 18 46'17 N

Is this significant at all?

posted March 29, 2010 01:35 PM         

the same orbs that Robert Hand recommended in his book,HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS

5 degrees for all the major aspects except for sextile which gets 3 degrees

Raymond

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posted March 29, 2010 03:11 PM         

I've found a similar pattern in my synastry with someone, where there are quite a few coinciding conjunctions with parallels and oppositions with contraparallels. When I first noticed this, I couldn't figure out if it was just a coincidence, or if there was some positional/mathematical/over-my-head explanation that increased the likelihood of this. Anyone know anything about why that could be?

Here is what I've seen in my synastry with my guy…

His Mars conjunct my Neptune
His Mars parallel my Neptune

His Descendant conjunct my Neptune
His Descendant parallel my Neptune

His Uranus conjunct my Descendant
His Uranus parallel my Descendant

His Ascendant conjunct my Ascendant
His Ascendant parallel my Ascendant

His IC conjunct my Saturn
His IC parallel my Saturn

His Moon conjunct my Eros
His Moon parallel my Eros

His Jupiter conjunct my MC
His Jupiter parallel my MC

His Sun opposite my Mars
His Sun contra-parallel my Mars

His Jupiter opposite my Mars
His Jupiter contra-parallel my Mars

His Uranus opposite my Sun
His Uranus is contra-parallel my Sun

posted March 29, 2010 04:16 PM         

I was reading your post and you mentioned Right Ascention. Could you explain to me what it is and how to find it in a chart?

i looked it up, but the internet is kind of useless.

posted March 29, 2010 09:59 PM         

I was reading your post and you mentioned Right Ascention. Could you explain to me what it is and how to find it in a chart?

i looked it up, but the internet is kind of useless."

Right Ascension is the equatorial longitude that astronomers use to locate objects.

Right ascension (abbrev. RA; symbol α is the astronomical term for one of the two coordinates of a point on the celestial sphere when using the equatorial coordinate system. The other coordinate is the declination.

Explanation

Right ascension is the celestial equivalent of terrestrial longitude. Both right ascension and longitude measure an angle that increases toward the east as measured from a zero point on an equator. For longitude, the zero point is the Prime Meridian on the geographic equator; for right ascension, the zero point is known as the first point of Aries, which is the place in the sky where the Sun crosses the celestial equator at the March equinox.

Any units of angular measure can be used for right ascension, but it is customarily measured in hours, minutes, and seconds, with 24 hours being equivalent to a full circle. The reason for this choice is that the earth rotates at an approximately constant rate (see sidereal time). Since a complete circle has 360 degrees, an hour of right ascension is equal to 1⁄24 of this, or 15 degrees of arc, a single minute of right ascension equal to 15 minutes of arc, and a second of right ascension equal to 15 seconds of arc. Sidereal hour angle, used in celestial navigation, is similar to right ascension, but increases westward rather than eastward. It is important not to confuse sidereal hour angle with the astronomical concept of hour angle, which is how far west an object is from one's local meridian.

Right ascension can be used to determine a star's location and to determine how long it will take for a star to reach a certain point in the sky. For example, if a star with RA = 01:30:00 is at a location's meridian, then a star with RA = 20:00:00 will be in the meridian 18.5 sidereal hours later.

The tilt of the Earth's axis gradually rotates over time. This effect, known as precession, causes the measured right ascension and declination of even a perfectly stationary celestial object to change noticeably over the span of decades. Therefore, equatorial coordinates are inherently relative to the year of their observation. Astronomers always specify equatorial coordinates with reference to a particular epoch. An astronomer comparing coordinates from different epochs must mathematically rotate one of the coordinate systems to match the other, or rotate both to match a common epoch.

The currently used standard epoch is J2000.0, which is January 1, 2000 at 12:00 TT. The prefix "J" indicates that it is a Julian epoch. Prior to J2000.0, astronomers used the successive Besselian Epochs B1875.0, B1900.0, and B1950.0.
[edit] History

The concept of right ascension has been known at least as far back as Hipparchus who measured stars in equatorial coordinates in the 2nd century BCE. But Hipparchus and his successors made their star catalogs in ecliptic coordinates, and the use of RA was limited to special cases.

With the invention of the telescope, it became possible for astronomers to observe celestial objects in greater detail, provided that the telescope could be kept pointed at the object for a period of time. The easiest way to do that is to use an equatorial mount, which allows the telescope to be aligned with one of its two pivots parallel to the Earth's axis. A motorized clock drive often is used with an equatorial mount to cancel out the Earth's rotation. As the equatorial mount became widely adopted for observation, the equatorial coordinate system, which includes right ascension, was adopted at the same time for simplicity. Equatorial mounts could then be accurately pointed at objects with known right ascension and declination by the use of setting circles. The first star catalog to use right ascension and declination was John Flamsteed's Historia Coelestis Britannica (1712, 1725).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_ascension

In regular chart, only ecliptic longitude is shown. That's what the zodiac coordinates are.

The chart has to be calculated in a different way to show Right Ascension

You can get your Right Ascension placements here, and they are given in zodiac equivalent longitude equivalent
for example my Moon in 334'24 shows as 4'24 Pisces.
Make sure that you check the box,RA which stands for Right Ascension http://www.true-node.com/pos/

in regards to regular aspects that are out of 5 degree in the regular chart and show up as aspects in my Right Ascension chart:

Mars square Neptune
orb in regular chart
5'54 orb in regular chart
1'01 orb in Right Ascension

Mars square Saturn
9'13 orb in regular chart
4'35 orb in Right Ascension

Moon square Jupiter
5'06 orb in regular chart
2'12 orb in Right Ascension

Sun trine Mars
9'26 orb in regular chart
4'01 orb in Right Ascension

Mercury square Lunar Nodes
7'51 orb in regular chart
2'36 orb in Right Ascension

in regards to sextile - 3 degrees

Mercury sextile Ascendant
4'53 orb in regular chart
0'47 orb in Right Ascension

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posted March 30, 2010 10:16 AM         

I'm just discovering these and I've already found more than 10 within 1 degree???

I mean, REEEAALLY? Is that normal or above average?

I'm so tired, I have to go to bed, I cant even finsih examining this synastry for all the parallels (I'm up to Jupiter...) let alone to check other charts.

Just wondering what you think.

posted March 30, 2010 11:02 AM         

Regarding the amount of parallels / contraparallels to be found.
The planets` range usually is bound to be from 00°00 N - 23° something N, and 00° 00 S to about 23° S (there are sometimes out of bound planets though; yet they don´t seem to go really higher than 26 degrees; that is not true for asteroids, asteroids can be extreme, for example my Eros is at about 54 degrees N).

Anyway, the "norm" is 23 degrees North and south, so 46 degrees alltogether,
the zodiac has 360 degrees. So I think the probability of planets being parallel each other will be higher than the same planets being conjunct each other.

posted March 30, 2010 05:13 PM         

I only used Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, uranus, Neptune, Pluto, NN, Vertex, ASC / DESC and MC/IC.

Also, I only counted parallels / contraparalles with the personal points / angles Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, ASC, MC and Vertex within 1°.
(it means that something like Saturn parallel NN wasn´t counted, just because they are rather slow moving).

(1) William Randolph Hearst and Marion Davies

11 parallels
6 contraparallels
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17

(2) Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn

15 parallels
1 contraparallel
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16

(3) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

12 parallels
2 contraparallels
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14

(4) Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward

17 parallels
2 contraparallels
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19

(5) Laurence Olivier - Vivien Leigh

16 parallels
3 contraparallels
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19

(6) Antonio Bandereas - Melanie Griffith

15 parallels
4 contraparallels
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19

It seems, that a number between 15 and 20 parallels / contraparallels is to be expected. Is that average? Or do all thes couples have more thann average?

Anyway, I got interested in it and actually counted the number of parallels / contraparallels that appear in my synastry with Jude Law. I was pretty surprised about the results.

his Sun parallel my Sun
his Sun parallel my Venus
his Mercury parallel my Sun
his Mercury parallel my NN
his Venus parallel my Mars
his Venus parallel my Neptune
his Venus parallel my NN
his Venus paralle my Antivertex
his Venus parallel my ASC
his Mars parallel my neptune
his Antivertex parallel my Mars
his Vertex parallel my Saturn
his Anitivertex paralle my Neptne
his Antivertex parallel my NN
his Vertex parallel my Vertex
his Vertex parallel my DESC
his ASC parallel my Mars
his DESC parallel my saturn
his ASC parallel my NN
his DESC parallel my Vertex
his Jupiter parallel my Sun
his NN parallel my Sun
his Jupiter parallel my Antivertex
his Saturn parallel my Vertex
his NN parallel my Antivertex
his Jupiter parallel my ASC
his Saturn parallel my DESC
his NN parallel my ASC

his Mercury contraparallel my Saturn
his Venus contraparallel my Saturn
his Saturn contraparallel my Mars

28 parallel
3 contraparallels
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31

LOL

(so it seems, even on the declinational levels my chart has many points of contact with his chart).