posted March 27, 2010 04:02 PM         

I agree. I made the point that need to take the overall chart into account.
Also in Vedic Astrology, the Moon is the most important part of the chart. They observe transit houses from the Moon. They use Moon as a 2nd ascendant in natal or transit. Chandra Lagna. The dosha periods (a planetary transit period) are based on the ruler of their lunar nakshatra placement. For instance. I was born with Moon in Satabisha which is ruled by Rahu (North Lunar Node). Therefore, I was born in a Rahu period,and so dosha periods based on that.

"What's your sun/moon midpoint, Duke? Mine's in Cancer. I've always felt too damn sensitive (it works REAL WELL with my aries moon LOL)."

She has 5 lunar themes that I already explained to her. That's why she can relate so much to Cancer. She has the strongest lunar influence that I have ever seen in a chart. I am talking about from an astronomical standpoint and not zodiac astrology stuff.

Don't you have other things to indicate being extremely sensitive?

If I remember right, you have Sedna conjunct the Ascendant.

Sedna has by far, the greatest average distance of any object. It's named after the Inuit Sea/Ocean Goddess who was also ruler of the Underworld. It seems to be Neptune-like, but more otherworldly with some Pluto overtones. That could be from just being a transneptunian. I'd think that logically, Sedna conjunct Ascendant would be an indicator of a highly metaphysically oriented type person that includes being ultrasensitive to outside influences.

who knows how many other strong transneptunian aspects involving the other big transneptunians and its nodes
3 degrees for major aspect except sextile which gets 2 degrees
1 degree for its nodes - major aspects only.
30 minutes for parallel,contraparallel
That includes Pluto.

the big named transneptunians from largest to smallest
Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion.

Pluto,Orcus,and Ixion are plutinos. So they both have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune. Their orbits only a year apart.

The rest of the big objects orbit slower and well beyond Pluto, especially Sedna.

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posted March 27, 2010 04:16 PM         

I said what I said about western culture and was thinking of Vedic in the process , and it looks like you're on the same page

Again, I think that due to pop psychology, the sun's importance trumps everything else, even though I think this it's an oversimplification. I'm all for simplifying and all, but I still think that the beauty of simplifying is only impressive when it's applying to the complexity of a chart, not to something that's already as simple as the sun...

posted March 27, 2010 04:25 PM         

Oh ok. I am not sure how much of an influence Sun/Moon midpoint in zodiac sign placement works. Aspects to the Sun/Moon are unquestionably important.

I have Sun trine Moon, and so my Sun and Moon have a connection with each other. Any major aspects to my Sun/Moon midpoint are aspects to my Sun trine Moon.

This whole Sunsign Astrology stuff is probably why most skeptics of Astrology are skeptical of Astrology. It's one of the things that skeptics will slam about without knowing that there is more to it.
around the Sun.

I believe that there are some arguments against Mainstream Astrology that can be valid too. I think the main thing is that many astrologers disagree,argument,debate among each other what to use in Astrology.

It's like Eris should rule Astrology. hahaahahaha

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posted March 27, 2010 08:41 PM         

only an eris joke would be understandable in this site for some of us.. try it at a bar, it'll be a hoot!

my sun/moon midpoint is in leo.. 21 leo to be precise, sabian symbol: chickens intoxicated.

im not sure of how to take it into acct because i have nothing in that degree only a wide orbed trine from my natal saturn and uranus. but with midpoints, i've read that it'd best to use the tightest orb that you can possibly even to the degree or just one more going each way. conjunctions in synastry tend to be quite important with it.

glaucus, i haven't looked much into the trans neptunian planets because there's very little out there about it and i think that it'd just confuse me. pluto already opposes my ascendant so i just take it for what it's worth and go with it. as far as sedna being a lot like neptune, i didnt know that. neptune trines my ascendant along with my sun.. if that counts for anything, idk.

philip sedgwick, has a newsletter that he sends out from time to time where he discusses his take on the outer planets along with current transits from time to time. they're so slow moving that it may be a little challenging to try to make those personal no matter how one tried. he also goes into astrology to the point of using black holes and such, which im sure it's got to be interesting but to me, currently, it's confusing.

not long ago i was thinking of lunar eclipses occuring on jupiter and how those eclipses might affect our relationship with jupiter but let alone with the many moons that jupiter has, we'd be quite the astro-obsessed.

posted March 27, 2010 11:35 PM         

You're welcome

"only an eris joke would be understandable in this site for some of us.. try it at a bar, it'll be a hoot!"

Yep

"my sun/moon midpoint is in leo.. 21 leo to be precise, sabian symbol: chickens intoxicated."

Cool!
My Venus in 21'47 squares your Sun/Moon midpoint.

"im not sure of how to take it into acct because i have nothing in that degree only a wide orbed trine from my natal saturn and uranus. but with midpoints, i've read that it'd best to use the tightest orb that you can possibly even to the degree or just one more going each way. conjunctions in synastry tend to be quite important with it."

"glaucus, i haven't looked much into the trans neptunian planets because there's very little out there about it and i think that it'd just confuse me. pluto already opposes my ascendant so i just take it for what it's worth and go with it. as far as sedna being a lot like neptune, i didnt know that. neptune trines my ascendant along with my sun.. if that counts for anything, idk."

Actually I was asking MVM about her transneptunian aspects. Pluto oppose Ascendant would indicate ultrasensitivity with it being a transneptunian. Yep...Sedna is a lot like Neptune in regards to the myth and how the energy feels, but it's also like Pluto because it being a transneptunian. Most otherworldly object because it has the greatest average and the slowest by far. It makes Neptune look mundane. Neptune trine Ascendant indicates ultrasensitivity too. Pluto's sensitivity is more profound.

"philip sedgwick, has a newsletter that he sends out from time to time where he discusses his take on the outer planets along with current transits from time to time. they're so slow moving that it may be a little challenging to try to make those personal no matter how one tried. he also goes into astrology to the point of using black holes and such, which im sure it's got to be interesting but to me, currently, it's confusing."

Yep...I get his newsletter all the time. He's into transneptunians and centaurs. He has preliminary keywords for him on his site. He is one of the few astronomical-oriented Astrology. I have his Galactic Trilogy CD which includes information on centaurs,transneptunians,and deep space objects like black holes,quasars,and pulsars. Mark Andrew Holmes has stuff on them. Roy MacKinnon does too. The transneptunians besides Pluto weren't discovered until 1992, and the big ones weren't discovered until 2000's. They are like for the 21st Century Astrology. There is a lot of info on transneptunians and centaurs in yahoo groups. I am member and moderator of 10th Planet yahoo group which is owned by Roy MacKinnon. There is a Centaurs group by Zane Stein, and a Centaurs2 group by Mark Andrew Holes. All 3 groups discuss a lot on transneptunians. I got into them in 2000 after I joined Zane Stein's site.

"not long ago i was thinking of lunar eclipses occuring on jupiter and how those eclipses might affect our relationship with jupiter but let alone with the many moons that jupiter has, we'd be quite the astro-obsessed."

I know a person that is into Self Evident Astrology, and it's heavily emphasized on planetary moons.

"after commenting this afternoon before i was off for my nap, i had a very weird dream involving a mountain lion.. how lunar is that huh?"

very cool

any ways...You have the most powerful Lunar Influence that I have ever seen in a chart. I believe that you incarnated on this earth for a very special purpose. This tends to be back up with strong transneptunian aspects and aspects to geocentric nodes of Jupiter,Saturn,outer planets and big transneptunians as well as heliocentric nodes of planets,outerplanets,and big transneptunians.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted March 28, 2010 12:18 AM         

i found this when looking for it..

"Dreadful is she, headstrong is she, she is s goddess, terrible is she. She is like a leopard (?), the daughter of Anu. Her feet are those of (the bird) Zu, her hands are dirty, her face is that of a powerful lion. She rises out of ther reedbed. Her hair is loose, her breasts are bare. Her hands are caked with flesh and blood. She forces an entry through the window, she slides in like a snake. She enters the house, she leaves the house again."

it's talking about lilith.. very interesting.. in the dream also, i was in a very big victorian house and was in a very big room with the doors closed and no furniture except chairs that were lined up on the opposite end of the room.. i was somewhere right in the middle and could only make out their shadows before the doors were closed and i was enclosed with at least 12 people there who i felt may have been judging me.. im not sure why but i left the room thinking the house was completely spooked and went to where the people were in the house who were not willing to go into the room to verify anything.. they only layed with each other after having turned on some classical music.

"Another Sumerian storm demon was the Zu bird, which is represented among the stars by Pegasus and Taurus. A legend relates that this "worker of evil, who raised the head of evil", once aspired to rule the gods, and stole from Bel, "the lord" of deities, the Tablets of Destiny, which gave him his power over the Universe as controller of the fates of all. The Zu bird escaped with the Tablets and found shelter on its mountain top in Arabia. Anu called on Ramman, the thunderer, to attack the Zu bird, but he was afraid; other gods appear to have shrunk from the conflict. How the rebel was overcome is not certain, because the legend survives in fragmentary form. There is a reference, however, to the moon god setting out towards the mountain in Arabia with purpose to outwit the Zu bird and recover the lost Tablets. How he fared it is impossible to ascertain. In another legend--that of Etana--the mother serpent, addressing the sun god, Shamash, says: