posted April 07, 2010 10:22 AM            

For me I see this peoples chart looks like lovely....

posted April 07, 2010 12:05 PM            

Sabian of 29 Gemini:
"A Parade Of Bathing Beauties Before Large Beach Crowds"

This degree is also very strong in the chart of Jenna Jameson.

The psychological reason is very simple: Sexual Abuse by Father Figures.

posted April 07, 2010 12:52 PM            

The first woman's chart

I am not using signs nor houses which are relative.

Heliocentric Orcus Nodes are in 28'27 Gemini Sagittarius
oppose Lunar Nodes 29'27 Sagittarius/Gemini
trine Pluto in 28'56 Libra R
square Sun in 29'02 Pisces

She is strong in collective Orcus energy.
Orcus is a transneptunian dwarf planet plutino. It has 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune. Because of that, astronomers named it after the Etruscan counterpart of Pluto.
It's astronomically similar to Pluto,and so it should be astrologically similar to Pluto. The deity,Orcus was also associated with keeping oaths/promises.

I checked her Orcus and Nessus

conjunction of:
Orcus in 2'24 Leo R
Nessus in 1'03 Leo R
Ascendant in 4'18 Leo

square Venus in 0'59 Taurus
square Pluto in 28'56 Libra
square Saturn in 4'02 Scorpio R

She has a t-square of Nessus-Orcus-Ascendant square the oppsotion of Venus and Saturn-Pluto opposition)

Look at the conjunction of her Saturn and Pluto and see how it opposes her Venus

her Saturn/Pluto midpoint is in 1'09 Scorpio,and her Venus opposes that.

Nessus is a centaur that links the orbits of Saturn and Pluto. The astronomical oriented astrologers came up with the name of Nessus for the object which was accepted by astronomers. Saturn/Pluto midpoint is Nessus-sensitive. That means that aspects to Saturn/Pluto midpoint is like aspects to Nessus. So her Venus is not only square Nessus, it's even in opposition to the Nessus-sensitive midpoint of Saturn/Pluto midpoint. A strong Nessus theme.

She also has Sun quincunx Pluto which can be the ego in a straining connection with archetypal underworld energies

She also has Mars in 17'44 Aries quincunx transneptunian dwarf planet candidate plutino,Ixion in 17'23 Scorpio R. Ixion has 3:2 orbital resonance with Neptune like Pluto. That's why astronomers named Ixion after an underworld character. Ixion was punished by Zeus in Tartarus (Greek version of Hell) for his sexual advancements towards Hera. Ixion is the father of Centaurus through the fake Hera that Zeus made to test Ixion. Centaurs mated with a mild mare,and the centaurs were born. So Ixion was the grandfather of the centaurs. Ixion was even discovered in the centaur sign,Sagittarius but none of the solar system centaurs were. Ixion has a strong sexual theme that fits with its astronomical symbolism as a plutino. The Mars quincunx Ixion can indicate the physical drive,passion in straining connection with archetype underworld energy too.

her Ixion in 17'23 Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 16'23 Taurus/Scorpio

Thatcan indicate her aim of life,career,domestic environment,past involves the aforementioned things. This aspect would definitely fit with sexual oriented,underworld type of career. However, Ixion is also about 2nd chances. In Greek mythology, Ixion murdered his father-in-law to avoid a dowry. Nobody on Earth would purify him, but Zeus agreed to purify him. Ixion was Zeus' guest on Mount Olympus. How did Ixion show gratitude towards Zeus? Well..he tried to come on to Hera. Therefore, Ixion betrayed Zeus trust and showed ingratitude as well as threw away his 2nd chance at life.

Her Quaoar is in 17'09 Scorpio R
oppose/conjunct her Midheaven in 16'25 Taurus.

Quaoar is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after Native American Tongva tribe Creation God. He was said to create life from dancing and singing.
Quaoar can be associated with inspiring creativity.

Her Quaoar-Ixion oppose/conjunct her Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis could indicate a traumatic past. It also suggest a nonconformist type of career. Transneptunians are nonconformists with their divergent orbits.

Overall, she has a very strong transneptunian influence suggesting major evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences.

She has a strong Nessus theme that suggests a strong sex theme, but also bridge between the physical and the metaphysical.

I also looked at geocentric nodes of venus

Geocentric South Venus Node in 0'26 Taurus
conjunct Venus in 0'59 Taurus.

Her Venus aspects its south node. That's Maximum Effectiveness. It's a strong Venusian influence overall...so can be quite aesthetic,sensual. That conjunction is squared by Nessus within the 1 degree orb that I use for nodes aspecting centaurs.

Her Geocentric Mars Nodes were interesting too.

Geocentric North Mars Node in 29'24 Aries
conjunct Venus with 1'34 orb.......that similar to Venus conjunct Mars, and that can be passionate love nature

Geocentric South Mars Node in 29'21 Sagittarius
conjunct Neptune with 10 minutes of arc, and that's like Mars conjunct Neptune. It can indicate passion influenced by idealism. It can also indicate confusion about one's actions and overall misguided actions.

Both Geocentric North and South Mars Nodes aspect her Lunar Nodes-Orcus Nodes opposition too

I will check out the others later.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 07, 2010 01:49 PM            

Ixion is one of the few who is still being punished in Hades, bound by Zeus to a wheel on which he is whirled through the air.

One of the LAPITHS

Ixion is to be counted among the LAPITHS, a people living in Thessaly, remembered for their battle against the CENTAURS, who were their kinsmen, but having made their hearts foolish with too much wine, attempted nevertheless to violate Pirithous' bride Hippodamia 4 at their wedding party.

Ancestor Peneus

Both CENTAURS and LAPITHS are descended from the god of the river Peneus, which is in Thessaly. For this god lay with the naiad Creusa 3, and begat a son Hypseus 1 and a daughter Stilbe. And this girl consorted with Apollo, giving birth to Lapithus 1 and Centaurus, ancestors of the aforementioned peoples.

Family of Ixion

Lapithus 1, it is told, settled in the region about the Peneus river, and having married Orsinome, begat two sons Phorbas 2 and Periphas 2, who reigned in this district calling their subjects LAPITHS after Lapithus 1. Now Periphas 2 married his grandmother's niece Astyaguia (daughter of Hypseus 1), and begat eight sons, the oldest being Antion, who married Perimele 3 and begat Ixion.

Murders his father-in-law

Ixion married Dia, daughter of Eioneus 5; but since the groom would not hand over the gifts of wooing to his wife, Eioneus 5 took his mares as security for these. Ixion then summoned his father-in-law to his home, promising him to comply in every respect; but when Eioneus 5 arrived, he cast him into a pit which he had filled with fire, thus killing him. By Dia, Ixion became father of Pirithous and Phisadie, a woman who was given in servitude to Helen by the DIOSCURI (see also CONSTELLATIONS). But, having committed an enormous crime against a relative (for some have said that Ixion was the first to stain mortal men with kindred blood), there was no one in the world willing to purify him, except Zeus himself, who out of pity, cleansed him at last.

The Cloud

But then, ungrateful Ixion fell in love with Hera, and made advances to her. And Zeus, having heard Hera's report on this matter, made a Cloud Resembling Hera (Nephele 1) so as to confirm his wife's words by deluding the man's temerity. This is how Ixion lay with a cloud; and believing that he had enjoyed Hera's love, he went around boasting that he had slept with the goddess. From the union of Ixion with the Cloud, some say, the CENTAURS were born; but others say instead that Centaurus was born

"without the blessing of the Graces" (Pindar, Pythian Odes 2.46).

... and that this monstrous offspring later mated with mares, from whom the CENTAURS were born.

Clouded thoughts

In any case Zeus, tired of Ixion's misdeeds, bound him to a wheel, on which he is whirled by winds through the air for all eternity. The idea may occur to someone that this is an unjust punishment, specially considering that, just as Ixion fell in love with Zeus' wife Hera, also Zeus fell in love with Ixion's wife Dia, with whom he consorted effectively (since Ixion could not produce deluding clouds), as the god himself declares:

". . . let us enjoy the delights of love. Never has such desire, for goddess or woman, flooded and overwhelmed my heart; not even when I loved Ixion's wife . . ." (Zeus to Hera. Homer, Iliad 14.315).

But precisely of that kind were Ixion's own cloudy ideas: "That mortals can be like gods and do love as the gods love to do, or similar ... And as for the deities, that they could use a lesson about the nature of justice, equality, or reciprocity."

This sound absurd to others, who deem wiser to think otherwise, reasoning with the poet that

"A man must always measure all things according to his own place." (Pindar, Pythian Odes 2.34).
http://www.maicar.com/GML/Ixion.html

Here are preliminary keywords from Philip Sedgwick based on not just the mythology, but also the astronomy/orbit as well as the sign placements of its Heliocentric North Node and Perihelion

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate

Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers

I am very strong in Ixion energy myself

Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio
conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
trine Moon in 3'11 Pisces

Geocentric Ixion Node in 11'45 Gemini
conjunct/oppose Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

Heliocentric Ixion Nodes in 10'43 Gemini/Sagittarius
conjunct Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

I am strongly connected to collective Ixion energy with the strong personal aspects to the geocentric,heliocentric Ixion Nodes.

I have an underworld family background.

My biological father was an ex-convict who was in prison for selling drugs for his uncle who was financially well-off from hustling in Los Angeles,California. He went back to using and selling drugs after my mom left him and moved to San Francisco. He even got my mom using until she kicked him out. He disappeared without a trace by the time I was 1 1/2 years old.

My mother was a teenage runaway in San Francisco,California which is my birthplace and where she met my father when she was 15 1/2 and he was 29. She worked as a prostitute. She's been in jail twice. The first time led me to be in foster care for some months when I was around 2. The second time led me to live with just my stepfather when I was in 4th grade.

I have never been involved with that stuff,and I never will.

Ixion theme plays a apart in my life in regards to being second chances, matters dealing with gratitude,discernment,and understanding the karmic wheel as well as being a nonconformist,metaphysically oriented,and evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences. I also think that it might even be involved with my not fitting male sexual stereotypes and my belief in equal rights for females and gays...especially with the conjunction to true Black Moon Lilith in 5'41 Scorpio R and South Eris Node in 5'
30 Scorpio which also suggest being a nonconformist and metaphysically oriented.

Ixion as a transneptunian and plutino also fits with the unknown too.
I never knew my father nor his relatives. My mom also never knew her mother nor her mother's relatives. Therefore,a lot of my relatives are unknown to me, and that fits with my strong transneptunian energies to the Imum Coeli,Sun,and Moon in regards to family,father,and mother.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 07, 2010 02:19 PM            

One thing I noticed in all of those charts is the abundance of very bad critical degrees. All of them had at least one algol placement (26* taurus).

I saw one that had 29* pisces -- a very bad fixed degree.

IQ mentioned 29* gemini.

There were some others too.

Now not everyone with fixed degrees will become a prostitute, etc., but I almost always see fixed degrees in charts of notorious killers, rapists, etc. It's like anything else in astrology, in that the POTENTIAL for bad is there, but it's up to the individual to use it for good.

To put it into perspective: I also will see these degrees in very talented actors, musicians, etc.

Fixed stars are a very powerful tool in astrology that many people either don't use, or don't know how to use.

As an aside, I find these stories very sad. Most were molested etc. It's so awful.

Diablo,

posted April 07, 2010 02:25 PM            

IQ mentioned 29* gemini."

Yeah,

the Sun in 29 Pisces squares
the Heliocentric Orcus Nodes

the 29 Gemini is oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Orcus Nodes

like I pointed out already
the Heliocentric Orcus Nodes have been in between 28 and 29 degrees Sagittarius/Gemini since the 20th Century and are still in the that degree range in the current 21st Century right now.

Orcus is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate plutino named after the Etruscan counterpart of Pluto.

Because it is a plutino (2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune),it was named after an underworld character by astronomers. That's the naming rule for plutinos.

furthermore

the heliocentric Chiron Nodes have been between 28 and 29 degrees Libra/Aries since the 20th Century and are at the end of that degree range in the current 21st Century right now.

The heliocentric Pholus Nodes have been between 28 and 29 degrees Cancer/Capricorn since the 20th Century and are at the end of that degree right in the current 21st Century right now.

Pholus is a centaur like Chiron and Nessus.

Chiron links the orbits of Saturn and Uranus. Saturn/Uranus midpoint is Chiron-sensitive.
Pholus links the orbit of Saturn and Neptune.
Saturn/Neptune midpoint is Pholus-sensitive.
Nessus links the orbit of Saturn and Pluto.
Saturn/Pluto midpoint is Nessus-sensitive.

planets,points in 29 degrees of the zodiac signs will be aspecting the Orcus Nodes, Chiron Nodes,and Pholus Nodes.

Uranus is currently squaring the Heliocentric Orcus Nodes too.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 07, 2010 04:05 PM            

I've never been abused in any way by any of my father figures (I've had 3 and get along with all of them).

I've also never stripped or prostituted but from my perspective I can get as much money as I want and need for myself and the causes I'm interested in - without that.

I guess - as I was saying earlier, if I wasn't as encouraged by my family to pursue particular things.. If I didn't feel as confident in my own mental abilities - who knows?

hmm I was thinking anyway.. Capricorn Moon is detached that's true.. But as I said - there would have to be a serious "need" for them to do this. Otherwise - well in my case at least - I'm just not that into physical contact of any kind with people I don't know. That includes drunken women mistaking me for their friends and hugging me at parties. It includes anything, not just sex.

I'm against duping people - from a moral perspective. My Jupiter is in Pisces in the 10th and trine Pluto in Scorp -- which basicaly makes me a strong enough person to make my money in other ways and a strong enough person to say FUK YA to the porn-merry-go-round that is our world.

I'm against the whole set up.. I really do see people as animals and for a man (or woman for that matter.. because there are male, and also gay&les escorts, strippers and prostitutes out there) to have to *pay* for sex.. is one of the most bizarre distortions of animal-nature, at present - from my perspective.

I have respect for sex. I have respect for myself and I have respect for others in general - men and women. I would simply not use mindless drunken men or women to pay me money they worked for, for sex. It's STUPID. They have better things to do with their money. I seriously think people who are willing to pay for sex.. have self esteem problems and require psychological attention.

This simply shouldn't be a looks thing. There is someone out there for anyone. I'm sure they could have better sex with a person who is maybe less good looking and who has better chemistry with them - whom they actually *know*. Someone who has sex with them because she/he is attracted, not because they are paid for it.

When it comes to stripping - I'd love to strip for FUN. But I'm against commercializing sex (like it's a product) so I wouldn't ask for money. What I'd like about stripping is that there's no touching involved. I'm only referring to *stripping* as such - not lap dances or anything else. This would turn me on, because it would be sexuality + no touching.

posted April 07, 2010 04:15 PM            

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There are men would rather go to places like Bangkok, and pay for sex with young women, than have sex with a woman they could have over here, just because they see them as below their standards. I don't agree with it, but it happens - they aren't just guys who can't get laid.

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posted April 07, 2010 04:15 PM            

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This women was raised in a strict, moral upbringing and has always, until recently, been intelligent and also rather Chaste!

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With all due respect to those who think having a strict upbringing causes promiscuity, I must disagree. It really depends on the individual and less on the upbringing. I was raised in a very strict household that could give the military a run for its money. However, at 24 I have never gone wild. I'm a virgin, though I don't see sex as sinful or dirty whatsoever nor do I view virginity as a prize.

posted April 07, 2010 04:26 PM            

I am not against sex with multiple sexual partners. From my perspective as long as one has safe-sex (both physically & spiritually "safe"), whether they are male or female - they should be able to have sex with whomever, whenever and as much as they like - without social repercussions.

I am only against the commercial aspect.

posted April 07, 2010 04:39 PM            

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My problem is that it is duping men into paying money for something that should be free and genuine..

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Oh PLEASE. Men aren't idiots, they know what they're paying for. No one is forcing the Johns to do anything.

My problem with prostitution is that most of the time, you have no idea whether the prostitute is doing it because they chose to (like the OP's friend) or whether they were kidnapped and forced into it. In a typical prostitution scenario, who do you think makes the most money? The PIMPS.

I would have no moral qualms with prostitution if it were legalized and therefore regulated. If prostitutes could form unions, I'd be all for it.

posted April 07, 2010 04:41 PM            

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..I think I'd have been able to completely detach from my emotions and do it.

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At the long run your body will call you back, I'm sure of that - repressed emotions are the greatest attack on your body!
There are always VERY SAD reasons for going into the prostitution although it isn't always visible.

posted April 07, 2010 04:45 PM            

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Oh PLEASE. Men aren't idiots, they know what they're paying for. No one is forcing the Johns to do anything.

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Oh Please.. don't.. Oh Please me.

Everyone is an idiot. 90% of the population is made up of "sheep".
And from my perspective the system is fuked up. No they are not "forced". But people are manipulated and we are living in a consumerist society. I simply disagree with sex becoming a "good" to be sold.

posted April 07, 2010 04:55 PM            

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My problem with prostitution is that most of the time, you have no idea whether the prostitute is doing it because they chose to (like the OP's friend) or whether they were kidnapped and forced into it. In a typical prostitution scenario, who do you think makes the most money? The PIMPS.

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I feel the same way - the thought of how those girls ended up there, what they deal with, and how they might feel about themselves afterwards? I do, personally, have a problem with prostitution. I feel it's degrading, but I know that some find it empowering.

posted April 07, 2010 04:59 PM            

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I agree, men are duped by the patriarchy to act out their masculinity and more often than not, women are the victims

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True.

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Therefore, I have a little less sympathy for the men that seek out prostitutes than the prostitutes themselves.

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I have sympathy for everyone.. but generally I don't feel sympathy regarding this. I feel a strong disappointment in the world in general.

posted April 07, 2010 05:02 PM            

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I have sympathy for everyone.. but generally I don't feel sympathy regarding this. I feel a strong disappointment in the world in general.

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Me too... this subject is part of what I mentioned in another thread, yesterday or the day before, as something I wouldn't bring up - something that bothered me - because it might be controversial.