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scrappydog
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posted April 06, 2010 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A good friend of mine who is 30 years old and comes from an upper class, wealthy family has just recently started to prostitute herself! This women was raised in a strict, moral upbringing and has always, until recently, been intelligent and also rather Chaste! From my profiles of crime book by lois rodden a lot have venus in virgo, venus saturn and venus pluto aspects abound too. This girl is a libra with venbus in virgo. But why now after 30 years of being descreet and a Lady?? Of her transits she has no significant ones to venus, t pluto conj her moon and t neptune squares her mars. Any answers to why she would take this sudden detour? Her bday is 10/10/80 in phoenix, az.

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posted April 06, 2010 10:33 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does she have natal moon in 10th?

And also does she have any planets in 12th that are having some heavy transits?

I have lots of friends who are prostitutes i have lots of their charts i can post up later.

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posted April 06, 2010 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Her cappy moon is in the 8th or 9th depending on house systems and no planets in 12th. T pluto is approaching conj by 3deg and is currently square her saturn. She is also in her satrn return in libra in 6th.

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posted April 06, 2010 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"This women was raised in a strict, moral upbringing and has always, until recently, been intelligent and also rather Chaste! "

There's your explanation. Moral and strict upbringing = weird, schizophrenic attitude about sex later in life.
I hardly would say that's astrological.

"But why now after 30 years of being descreet and a Lady?? "

Maybe because she's hitting her sexual peak and her weirdly moral and strict upbringing has not allowed her to explore her sexuality lol.

Maybe also because the economy SUCKS and she needs to make a couple of extra bucks and can separate her sexuality from deeper parts of herself?

Cappy Moons can be all business, btw. They're very good at tuning out emotions for as long as they need to. This is a moon which is very good at keeping emotions under control.

PS - Is she happy with her life now? How does she feel about what she's doing? If she's happy with her choice, who is anyone to judge her?

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posted April 06, 2010 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MVM U COULD BE EXACTLY RIGHT! T PLUTO IS 3 DEG FROM CONJ HER CAP MOON, SHE IS IN DIRE FINANCIAL STRAIGHTS, BUT ALWAYS SO PRUDE UNTILL NOW, I HAVE A HARD TIME BELIEVIN THIS HAS NOTHIN TO DO WITH TRANSITS. LET ME TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AND ILL BE BACK!

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posted April 06, 2010 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy moon or venus has been said to be higher in prostitutes. And the saturn aspect to it. This doesn't mean everyone with these placements would do this, though.


I bet the trigger, astro-wise, is t.plu moon in her 8th. What aspects does her moon make? Which house is her venus? How is it aspected?


Did you say she's a libra?

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Diana
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posted April 06, 2010 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How are you getting a cap moon? I did her chart for 10.10.80 and the moon was in scorp all day....? Also, she would still be 29, not 30. Did you write the wrong year on here?

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posted April 06, 2010 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes she is a libra with venus in virgo in 5th square neptune in sag i 8th. transits -t pluto conj moon in cappy in 8th trine venus in virgo in 5th; neptune trine sun; neptune square mars; neptune trine uranus' uranus trine mars; mars opposite jupiter; jupiter trine uranus; saturn return in libra

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posted April 06, 2010 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How are you getting a cap moon? I did her chart for 10.10.80 and the moon was in scorp all day....? Also, she would still be 29, not 30. Did you write the wrong year on here?

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posted April 06, 2010 11:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Clearly something is off here. Oh well.

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posted April 06, 2010 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
nods

wrong date

I checked the chart

there is no moon in capricorn. there is also no venus square neptune either.


but I didn't say anything
just waited for somebody else to comment.

I agree with MVM's points.

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posted April 06, 2010 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now I am suspicious.

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posted April 06, 2010 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry wrong date 10-16-80

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posted April 06, 2010 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oops your right not yet 30 but 29

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posted April 06, 2010 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Called her just now 10-15-80 phoenix, az were almost astro twins she grew up down the street from me but in tx sorry bout faulty info havent been close to her in over 10 years, we talk on facebook and text now and then but shes always brutally honest

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posted April 07, 2010 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did the 10.16.80 and even when I use the earliest possible time(12 am) her moon is way off from being 3 degrees conjunct t. pluto.


Can you just post the chart?

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posted April 07, 2010 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MVM and Diana -

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Cappy Moons can be all business, btw. They're very good at tuning out emotions for as long as they need to. This is a moon which is very good at keeping emotions under control.

True.

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Cappy moon or venus has been said to be higher in prostitutes. And the saturn aspect to it. This doesn't mean everyone with these placements would do this, though.

I'm not at all surprised by that. I'm friends with a Cap Moon woman who was a prostitute years ago. I have a Capricorn Moon myself. I have no need at all to prostitute, but I think I could easily see it as "just business".

I don't actually think it would bother me that much.. because I can even think about a law exam whilst I'm having sex and pretend it isn't even happening.

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posted April 07, 2010 12:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
technically that's not a Venus square Neptune

it's a Venus triundecile Neptune

Triundecile is 11th harmonic,and is an angle of 98'11

I have Mercury triundecile Mars myself

THE 11TH HARMONIC

Comprising the eleventh harmonic,wherein the 360 degree circle is divided by eleven and then multiplied, this group of astrological aspects consists of the waxing undecile with an angular value of 32'44, the waxing biundecile of 65'27,the waxing triundecile of 98'11,the waxing quadriundecile of 130'55, the waxing quinqueundecile of 163'38, the waning quinqueundecile of 196'22, the waning quadriundecile of 229'05, the waning triundecile of 261'49, the waning biundecile of 294'33,and the waning undecile of 327'16. These aspects occur when any two heavenly bodies are between one-eleventh and ten-elevenths of the way through their planetary cycle. Like their odd-numbered harmonic relatives,the quintile,septile,and the novile families,the undecile aspects speak to a very subtle spiritual relationship occuring between planets.


The number eleven brings to mind several images, one of which is bankruptcy (Title 11 of the United States Code). When a person, under agonizing financial pressure, files this type of legal action, the government views it as a "reorganization of debt" Rudyar has written in his analysis of the Sabian Symbol for 28 Gemini: Through Bankruptcy, Society Gives To An Overburdened Individual The Opportunity To Begin Again, about the relationship existing between individual financial failure and the health of the community. The compassionate founding principles of the United States, undeniably under siege now through credit card debt and misuse of the original intent of bankruptcy courts,nonetheless stood for virtuous government,one where an individual could be relieved of debt and allowed to begin anew.

In the Tarot deck,the Justice card is associated with number eleven. A woman with a sword in her right hand and scales of justice in her left is depicted,representing our courts of low as well as enforcement of those laws. Saturn,ruler of the eleventh sign of Aquarius, as well as the ruler of bankruptcy,is exalted in Libra which informs us that balance and compromise are integral.

If earthly law is a reflection of higher spiritual law, perhaps these eleventh harmonic aspects symbolize a karmic "reorganization of debt" in the form of Divine Grace,mercy,compassion when one is staggering under the load of his burdens of fate,provided,however,that one "petitions the spiritual court" through sincere prayer. If this is so, then the astrologer can view the birth chart planets that have these aspects between them as "portals leading into the Spirit world where forgiveness,mercy,compassion and grace reside."
Once integrated,these planetary rulerships may serve as an opportunity for renewal and allow the individual to once again contribute to society after a setback.

Consider another image for the number eleven. Judas Iscariot, the disciple of Jesus who betrayed him for thirty silver coins, has traditionally beeen correlated with the sign of Pisces which symbolizes betrayal and imprisonment. After seeing that Jesus had been condemned to death, he was seized with remorse and hung himself as was prophesied by Jeremiah. Luke, writing in the Acts of the Apostles, spoke of the eleven remaining disciples and how Peter declared it necessary for another twelfth to be chosen. Matthias, who had been with Jesus from the beginning (John's baptism) to the end (Resurrection and Ascension) was picked. It was only then that the Holy Spirit came at Pentecost, once the group was restored to twelve.

This suggests that the eleventh harmonic aspects symbolize the disruption and the restoration to wholeness of the spiritual vibrations of any group that has been profaned,betrayed,deceived or wounded by an individual member. By logical association, the astrologer can presume that individuals with these aspects between planets can either be agents of ruin or healers within groups, first by observing the group dynamics, then by exerting a subtle spiritual force that either serves to polarize, or to reunify and make whole the organization or association.
This further elucidates the number eleven and its correlations with Aquarius, the eleventh house and participation within groups.

In the lunation cycle, the waxing undecile falls within the new phase(impulse to evolve), the waxing biundecile in the crescent phase (heeding the call),the waxing triundecile and quadriundecile both in the first-quarter phase (overcoming external resistance),the waxing quinqueundecile in the gibbous phase (searching for illumination),the waning quinqueundecile in the full phase(awareness and objective understanding),the waning quadriundecile and triundecile both in the disseminating phase (assimilation and synthesis) the waning biundecile in the third-quarter phase (facing internal resistance),and the waning undecile falls in the balsamic phase (mastery, release and seeding of the next cycle).

ASTROLOGY A LANGUAGE OF LIFE VOLUME 2 - SABIAN ASPECT ORBS by Robert P Blaschke

I am with Diana

Transiting dwarf planet, Pluto is not even close to conjuncting her Moon.

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posted April 07, 2010 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can think of three scenarios in which a Capricorn Moon woman would decide to do this:

1. She needs the money and there is absolutely no other way to get it in the same length of time.

2. She has a strong and incessant desire to be extremely rich and powerful, but does not have the intellectual capability to make the money any other way. This may show up with an afflicted Mercury.
This is more the dark-side.. The "old Scrooge" side of Cap.

3. Her Moon is in aspect to Uranus and she is interested in something out there and taboo, simply to break free from social norms. As a sign Capricorn dictates that the norms should always be obeyed.. so maybe she is sick of obeying them.. If there is a Uranus aspect that could show rebelliousness after years of lying low.

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posted April 07, 2010 12:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was reading up the description for a placement in my chart (Pluto in the 10th) on a site which said you could either be involved in medicine or the underworld, and that alot of people in those two settings have this placement. Venus/Pluto. and Afflicted moon or Venus (especially in Scorpio or Capricorn) is suppose to be another indicator too.

*disclaimer* Not saying *all* people with these placements work the corner, before I get jumped on....just INDICATORS.


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This women was raised in a strict, moral upbringing and has always, until recently, been intelligent and also rather Chaste!

I think this might be the real answer....I've known of plenty of preachers' children that turn bad.

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posted April 07, 2010 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting glaucus, but yes true date is 10-15-80 like mine. but im born in houston,tx and she is born in phoenix,ax. We grew up down the st from eachother 4 yrs best friends untill she kinda abandoned me to myself, lol. She was always graceful, pretty, but a bit uppity and could be mean for no reason discearnable and was never promiscuous while I knew her!

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posted April 07, 2010 12:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MVM -

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Is she happy with her life now? How does she feel about what she's doing? If she's happy with her choice, who is anyone to judge her?

I agree

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posted April 07, 2010 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I did the new day, but the moon is more than 3 degrees away from t. plu with it being in the 8th.


I'd be happy to look at the chart if a firm date and time are given.

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posted April 07, 2010 12:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for scrappydog     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I belive her moon is 8 deg cappy and t pluto i 5 deg cappy?? BUT would t pluto conj moon even cause this behavior?? I'm not sure, what about the t neptune square mars, I know nept can pervert and stimes lacks morales and mars is sexual, in natal they r easily seduced!

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posted April 07, 2010 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scrappy - cause what behavior?

I mean - you're not telling us her reasons for doing this.. or if she is "happily" doing it.

I do have a problem with prostitution. My problem is that it is duping men into paying money for something that should be free and genuine..

If she wanted a sexual revolution in her life.. why not just have sex with multiple men.. why be a prostitute?

That's the only thing I find immoral here.

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