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Got Gemini?
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posted April 07, 2010 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this with my children's mother. It's a HORRIBLE contact! I got this off the net: (the negative description applies here)
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/synastry/ascendant.html

Ascendant conjunc Satur: This union tends to be a bit difficult. The Saturn individual should watch a tendency to become a wet blanket to the ascendant individual's aims and objectives in life especially if the Saturn person was born at night. Often the ascendant individual feels blocked or inhibited in some way by the Saturn individual with the end result being that the ascendant individual does not feel good or confident about him/herself. With other aspects being positive, the Saturn individual can be a great teacher to the ascendant person and the ascendant person shows respect to the Saturn person.

What are you guy's experiences with this aspect? How did it play out in hour relationships?

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Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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posted April 07, 2010 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who was the Saturn?

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i haven't personally experienced this but my daughter recently ended a relationship with someone whose saturn is squat on her asc and YES! very good description there!! he was always trying to help her see the "error" of her ways and she ended up feeling like he was condescending to her, not a pleasant feeling for a young mother working hard to find her feet in the world...they had other issues, pluto issues, as well. too bad, because in many ways they were very well suited...but i respect and support her take on it.

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posted April 07, 2010 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami Ann, she is Saturn.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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posted April 07, 2010 01:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat Face     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Moon is in Gemini at 3 opposite Saturn in Sagittarius at 7. It goes right across my mom's Sagittarius Ascendant at 3.

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posted April 07, 2010 01:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
much will depend on how the saturn person expresses their natal saturn ..
'n obviously how asc person receives said expression .. and reacts to it ..

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posted April 07, 2010 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cat Face     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My mom is lighthearted and I'm not, but our relationship is very close.

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posted April 07, 2010 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for winter     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have not had the experience in the natal but last year my progressed Asc conjuncted his natal Saturn whilst simultaneously his progressed Asc conjuncted my natal Saturn.
We had been together for 7+ years and I expected this DW progression to coincide with us getting off our butts and getting married as wed been engaged for some years but it totally went the opposite way. We turned into this revolting bickering couple that stayed together making each other miserable. The hooks were deep.

I still believe that with maturity this could be a very stabilizing aspect but for us it was the beginning of the end.

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cherle
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posted April 07, 2010 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've had two great friendships with this aspect, with the other person being the Saturn. Both of them I will love always, even though they are gone from my life now.

Then I've had one romantic-ish relationship with a guy whose Saturn was cj my ASC. He was very sarcastic towards me and very insecure. At first he acted like he was interested in me, then told me he didn't find me attractive, and then acted interested in me again. He keep his emotional distance from me and strung me along, never really committing to being a relationship with me.

Anyhow, you may want to read my astrological observations about Saturn aspects here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203913.html

I will stress this though: hard Saturn aspects will likely make the Saturn person feel insecure or threatened in some way, maybe unconsciously. But from there, it depends on how BOTH people decide to handle and react to those feelings. The Saturn person is indeed responsible for their behavior, whether it a good or negative expression of their Saturn self. But if the other person is doing things to worsen those feelings of insecurity or exploit that person's sense of vulnerability that Saturn may provoke when in a tough cross aspect, then THAT person is likewise responsible for any bad blood that develops between them. You don't get to blame Saturn, especially if you choose to retaliate towards someone expressing their negative Saturn self. YOU ultimately choose how you act, not Saturn.

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posted April 08, 2010 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus De Milo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had this aspect with my ex-husband.

Every day when I think about that marriage, I am so happy and thankful that I had the strength to leave.

He had Saturn conjunct Jupiter at 7 Libra in his natal chart. My ASC is 7 Libra.

He was really controlling and oppressive. He was unabashedly controlling about money. It was all his money. He made more than me, therefore, he was the boss. And then, he was manipulative and passive aggressive about everything else. But he was controlling about EVERYTHING.

Anything I wanted to do, he would sabotage, and then when I would be upset and depressed about it, and tell him what he did was blocking me, he would sneer and say I just didn't do that because I was lazy, no intiative, it's an excuse.

If I disagreed with him about something, we would argue until I "saw the light"... he wouldn't even allow me to agree to disagree. He would say I had to really see that he was right and he wasn't going to let me out of it until he knew I understood.

I remember once, some shop asistant ws making conversation asking me about myself and I was like "oh yes, I'm married and my husband does this and blah, blah blah" and she was like "oh wow! that is so wonderful! your life is so perfect!"... and i almost started bawling right there, because it was anything but.

I came home that day and sat in my beautiful house, with all my perfect furniture and my nice car... all that STUFF that his money bought for me... and it made me feel so hollow.

It really taught me how little material things matter.

But he was very, very mentally abusive and controlling.

His Saturn was also square my Moon, and my Sun/Mars conjunction (opposed my natal Jupiter) ran along his NN axis, Sun and Mars being on the SN.

And in my chart, he had a stellium of planets on my SN too, bt none on my NN. It was a really karmic relationship and I really felt very held back and stagnant with him... like... staying with him would be the "easy" way out, because I wouldn't have to try... but at such a cost. I would have had to compromise everything.

Apparently George W Bush has his Saturn on Laura Bush's ASC, too. I felt sorry for her when I heard that.

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posted April 08, 2010 07:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Husband sounds like your mother, Venus.
We repeat our Family of Origin(FOO) until hopefully--lol--we learn.

x o x Ami

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posted April 08, 2010 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First I want to say sorry you had to go through that Venus de Milo! I hope everything is better now for you!

My situation is very similar to yours! We've been together for 8 years (7 married). I made most of the money for a looooong time, actually, up until 2008 when she got her teaching job.

I paid the majority of all the bills and NEVER once made her fee bad about not contributing, in fact, it was never an issue because I knew she was going to college.

I helped her and did 100% of ALL her homework and took 5 online courses for her for 2 years earning nothing less than an "A" grade for anything I did (I got a B+ on an Educational Psych research paper I did for her). She was ungreatfuk about the help I'd given her.

So when she started teaching, she started doing extra work and getting paid extremely well for it. So as soon as she started making more money than me, she kept telling me I wasn't taking care of my responsibilities, Im a dead beat, and making me feel like I was less than a man cuz she made more than me. She'd hide her extra paychecks from me and lie and say she had no money when it was time for bills.

She gave me this feeling like she was holding me back. Everything was about her. I waited for her to finish school so I could go to school and she gave me a hard time about that. I haven't accomplished anything dealing with her because most times she would block my progress.

Now she's talking she wants to go back and get her masters, I was like hold up, it's my turn to go to school. Apparantly she has other plans.

She's controlling inderectly. She would tell me she needs money for this and that and that it woulld cause this problem and that problem if she didn't have the money and I'd give in everytime just for the sake of not arguing. It really sucks.

Our Suns are squared. Her moon in Virgo is square my Sun. I'll post the synastry up in a little bit.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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posted April 10, 2010 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Married for 7.5 years and been together for 8+ years. Two children together. We just separated and will get a divorce this year.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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posted April 09, 2013 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GemNymph     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Old thread, I know.

I had this aspect with someone very important to me. He changed my life, for the better. I was the Saturn and he was the ASC. It was exact at 29 Tau. Interestingly, this started as a teacher-student relationship with learning music--he was the teacher--and ended up a kind of weird friendship.

He's passed away, sadly, but I can say as the Saturn person I did have the tendency to think I knew what was best. He DID have a serious alcohol addiction which led to his death, so there's no denying it was bad. But I at least was self-aware enough to be able to step back and see that my "parenting" reactions towards him was not helpful and often short-sighted. I really did not like the kinds of people he was often friends with, some addicts themselves, others just obnoxiousm but I just had to accept that I wasn't his keeper and his friends where his friends. I knew I couldn't fix him and I knew I wasn't his savior or his teacher. I think recognizing that he had helped me more than I could have ever helped him gave me that perspective. He got angry with me at times, but he never said anything to me, drunk, sober, happy, mad, that suggested he saw me as a wet blanket. I think I may have offered him a bit of stability.

It wasn't an easy relationship--he was a very bad addict and had lots of other problems, stemming back to long before I knew him. But he helped me in a way that no one else ever has, and while it's too persoanl to talk about in detail, I owe him a great deal and am very humbled to have known him. Despite his serious problems, he really was a good person. Letting him go, after his death, though, was one of the hardest things I've ever done.

I thought I'd offer that as an example so people know that Saturn contacts aren't always horrible. But they do come with big, and not always easy, lessons.

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posted April 10, 2013 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Little Doe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by GemNymph:
Old thread, I know.

I had this aspect with someone very important to me. He changed my life, for the better. I was the Saturn and he was the ASC. It was exact at 29 Tau. Interestingly, this started as a teacher-student relationship with learning music--he was the teacher--and ended up a kind of weird friendship.

He's passed away, sadly, but I can say as the Saturn person I did have the tendency to think I knew what was best. He DID have a serious alcohol addiction which led to his death, so there's no denying it was bad. But I at least was self-aware enough to be able to step back and see that my "parenting" reactions towards him was not helpful and often short-sighted. I really did not like the kinds of people he was often friends with, some addicts themselves, others just obnoxiousm but I just had to accept that I wasn't his keeper and his friends where his friends. I knew I couldn't fix him and I knew I wasn't his savior or his teacher. I think recognizing that he had helped me more than I could have ever helped him gave me that perspective. He got angry with me at times, but he never said anything to me, drunk, sober, happy, mad, that suggested he saw me as a wet blanket. I think I may have offered him a bit of stability.

It wasn't an easy relationship--he was a very bad addict and had lots of other problems, stemming back to long before I knew him. But he helped me in a way that no one else ever has, and while it's too persoanl to talk about in detail, I owe him a great deal and am very humbled to have known him. Despite his serious problems, he really was a good person. Letting him go, after his death, though, was one of the hardest things I've ever done.

I thought I'd offer that as an example so people know that Saturn contacts aren't always horrible. But they do come with big, and not always easy, lessons.



Thanks so much for sharing. Im dealing with this aspect too with someone in my life. Its a tight aspect, and I recognize meny themes you described, the saving theme, addiction, bad company, anger towards eachother for trying to interfere..
But there is also true devotion, a true caring for the other persons well-being. In my oppinion that is a blessing. But both people need to be marure enough to see it for what it is, and deal with it in the right way.

Im sorry for your loss. Hope you meet again some day, if thats what you wish.

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posted December 08, 2014 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh wow. I didn't realize this conjunction was such a bad aspect. Does it make a difference if the Saturn is making positive aspects or is Saturn conjunct Ascendant always cold no matter what?

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posted December 08, 2014 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sagical     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn is my ex and I am the Asc person. My oldest daughter is Saturn and again I'm the Asc.

He creates obstacles and stands in the way and the thinks she's a parent towards me.

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posted December 09, 2014 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can Saturn conj. Sun has the same effect as Saturn conj. Asc?

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posted December 11, 2014 06:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Can Saturn conj. Sun has the same effect as Saturn conj. Asc?

I would think so.As the Asc,Sun,Moon usually denote a specific time in your life that you may be going through some changes.

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This aspect is horrible!!!

Not matter what i do this person act cold and distant.

There is so much tension between us but for some reason she keeps a disapproving attitude towards me.

Whats going on in the Saturn side???

Do they feel inadequate or the ASC just **** them off.

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posted January 07, 2015 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariestaurus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well my ex has his Saturn conjunct my Sun/Ascendant in Sagittarius, and it was not fun. He was SO COLD TO ME. He is also very fatherly towards me, even though he is 2 years younger. I honestly feel like a child to him sometimes. Though, my Saturn is conjunct his Sun as well, so I can feel quite parental towards him , too.

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Originally posted by ariestaurus:
Well my ex has his Saturn conjunct my Sun/Ascendant in Sagittarius, and it was not fun. He was SO COLD TO ME. He is also very fatherly towards me, even though he is 2 years younger. I honestly feel like a child to him sometimes. Though, my Saturn is conjunct his Sun as well, so I can feel quite parental towards him , too.

I feel like she is trying to put me down as in "You don't deserve me" sort of.

It gets on my nerves because we both know that I have done far better than her.

Does this ever get better???

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posted January 07, 2015 06:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VacantGazer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My sun is conjunct someones saturn. I feel like I have to behave when im with them.

But that could also be because of aspects to my asc - I have saturn conjunct ascendant natally

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posted January 07, 2015 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Virgo28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by VacantGazer:
My sun is conjunct someones saturn. I feel like I have to behave when im with them.

But that could also be because of aspects to my asc - I have saturn conjunct ascendant natally


Do you feel put down by him???

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posted January 09, 2015 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Interpersonal Astrology.

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