posted April 07, 2010 11:20 AM         

I think the transneptunian dwarf planets(also including dwarf planet candidates)fit with that. They orbit beyond Neptune,the planet of dissolution of boundaries. The transneptunian region symbolizes the unknown,"other side" People with strong transneptunian energies can be in touch with what is unknown and the other side.

Transneptunian dwarf planets are considered evolutionary intensified objects.
Evolutionary Intensified Objects. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

Their far out location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. So people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm.

These energies can be prominent in genetic neurodivergents, people that can relate to the Indigo,Crystal personality types. They have symptoms and traits that overlap with those of schizophrenia,psychosis.

Transneptunian objects are actually old remnants of our solar system. People strong in transneptunian energy could actually be in contact with old remnants of existence due to being an old soul.

I am using the astronomical features for my theory.

I have a hunch that you have a strong transneptunian influence in your chart.

I suspect that most people here have a strong transneptunian influence.

A lot of people in this forum believe that they are old souls and are metaphysically oriented.

strong transneptunian contacts could be the following

Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven in aspect to a transneptunian dwarf planet whether the object itself in ecliptic longitude,Right Ascension,Declination

3 degrees for conjunction,opposition,trine,square
2 degrees for sextile
30 minutes of arc for parallel,contraparallel

if conjunction,opposition,trine,square is within 1 degree, it's a strong theme that shouldn't be ignored

if sextile is within 30 minutes of arc, it's a strong theme that shouldn't be ignored

also pay attention if they are involved in aspect patterns like grand trine,t-square,grand cross,minor grand trine,yod,etc.

if parallel,contraparallel is within 10 minutes of arc, it's a strong theme that shouldn't be ignored

people with with personal aspects to the geocentric or heliocentric nodes of transneptunian object will be strongly connected to collective transneptunian energy - so collective evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences.

1 degree orb - only conjunction,opposition,square,trine,sextile

if the sextile is to a geocentric node (the orb is smaller - 30 minutes of arc)
the north and south heliocentric nodes of an object are exactly opposite each other.
This is not the case with geocentric nodes of objects.

if the orbs are within 15 minutes of arc, its a strong theme that can't be ignored

conjunctions,oppositions,squares to transneptunian dwarf planet objects,nodes can indicate very difficult life that can involve significant trauma but opportunity for significant spiritual growth. They have to avoid boundary issues. There can be a fine line between the mystic,psychic,shaman and the schizophrenic,psychotic with people who have hard transneptunian dwarf planet aspects. It depends on how the person is. Even the soft aspects can be misused.

transneptunian dwarf planet people can find it hard to live in a society that is dominated by mainstream religion and psychiatry.

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posted April 07, 2010 12:53 PM         

For me I think about karma, saturn, nept and S.N.

I know I'm an old soul because someone who know saying I'am an much much old soul. I also feel I'm an old soul. I believe on that absolutely.... My exhusband had lived more than under half of mine.

I want to check out my transnept. I have below conj and connection

makemake 7,13, AC 10,42, Sun 10,47 in leo
eris 11,15 conj MC 12,25 aries
varuna 23,48 conj jupiter 23,17 in taurus
ixion 27,20 conj siva 27,5
ixion 27,20 conj valentine 26,56

orcus 13,33 trine karma 13 scorpio
orcus 13,33 sext pluto 12,49
orcus 13,33 trine nept 15,04
haumea 3,25 opp saturn 3,3
haumea 3,25 sext mars 2,15

Sedna 29,36 trine my venus 28,3

Ixion and sedna in the aspect pattern in my star of david.(including asteroids)

parallels

orcus /AC Parallel 0-1
orcus /Sun parallel 0-1
orcus/jupiter parallel 0-1
orcus/venus parallel 1-2
orcus/moon parallel 1-2
orcus/pluto parallel 1-2
haumea/mars Parallel 1-2
haumea/N.N parallel 1-2
varuna/ merkur Parallel 0-1
varuna/p.fortuna Parallel 0-1
varuna/quaoar contraparallel 0-1
eris/nept parallel 1-2
ixion/sedna parallel 0-1

posted April 07, 2010 01:30 PM         

but all objects have a south node

nodes are just the intersection of 2 orbital planes (think of 2 rings interlocked with the ascending intersection as the north node and the descending intersection as the south node

Jeffrey Wolf Green focuses on the geocentric planetary south nodes for karmic pastlife information in his Evolutionary Astrology.

but yeah...all objects have nodes. not just the moon

when an astrologer refers to the lunar nodes as nodes, they imply that only nodes pertain to the Moon. That is not true.

Astronomers actually record the nodes of all objects.

also keep the declinations for transneptunians within 30 minutes of arc. The orbs for these objects have to be smaller because they are not planets. This includes Pluto.

Don't you have a close orbed Moon-Pluto aspect in declinations?

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posted April 07, 2010 02:22 PM         

The only one in tight orb are below. Maybe it's not enought to describe an old soul.

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moon 19,18'45 N
pluto 19,19'01 N
pallas 19,35'40 N

Sun 17,31'47 N
AC 17,32''56 N
orcus 17,23'44 N

CP
amor 1,11'39 S
Sedna 1,08'45 N

Quaoar 6,45'44 S
varuna 6,56'53 N

posted April 07, 2010 02:35 PM         

The combination of your Eris conjunct MC,Moon contraparallel Pluto, your Sun-Orcus-Ascendant parallel definitely indicate that you're a strong transneptunian dwarf planet person. The aforementioned things that I mentioned in the thread could strongly apply to you.

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posted April 07, 2010 04:14 PM         

it's referring to the lunar nodes
the nodes of the moons

All objects have nodes
so all objects have north nodes and lunar nodes which are the ascending and descending intersections of the orbital planes of 2 objects

basic astronomy stuff

the direct lunar node is significant because lunar nodes regular travel is retrograde

direct lunar nodes are most significant if they are stationed on that day.

in Vedic Astrology

lunar nodes are Rahu and Ketu.
the latter one is involved in moksha

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posted April 07, 2010 10:46 PM         

you can check that out at astro.com

ditto with what amowls said

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posted April 08, 2010 09:58 AM         

The data sheets which they'll be on (if they're there) are found by clicking the 'View the additional tables (PDF)' link on the page which shows the wheel.
If they're not there it just means that nothing was retrograde (moving backwards) or direct at your time of birth.

In the pic the 'R' after Dagmar's degree means retrograde.
The 'Sd' next to Damir's degree I'm thinking could mean direct, but am waiting for an answer on this.
Dante is neither retrograde nor direct.

posted April 08, 2010 11:39 AM         

sr stands for stationary retrograde
sd stands for stationary direct

My biological father was born with stationary retrograde Neptune, and sr is next to his Neptune. He was born with stationary direct Jupiter and stationary direct Saturn, and sd is next to his Jupiter and Saturn.

I was told that I am very old soul by quite a few psychic readers. The shaman I see who now has become my best friend told me that too,and that I have an original contract. He said something about seeing a diamond in me when working on me,and he asked about that. Somebody told him about original soul contract.

I don't have any of the things that was mentioned by others in this thread. I do have an unusually strong transneptunian energy though with even strong connections to the heliocentric,geocentric Eris Nodes.
My Mexican Native American shaman friend,Steve happens to have Sun conjunct Eris with a little over half a degree,and so I can't help think that I met him to prepare me to work with the collective Eris energy that I am strongly connected to. He is also strong in transneptunian energy overall. It was an intuitive consultant that told me that my life purpose was to help Indigo,Crystal children who recommended me to see him in the first place. The guy has the same birthday as my exgf. He is also a neurodivergent and shares a special education past. I ended up meeting a woman that also happens to have Sun conjunct Eris less than 1 degree. She is also a neurodivergent. I told her about Steve. Now Steve does his healing work on Jamie,and now they are friends too.

any way...I really don't think about being an old soul. I just know that I have a special purpose of incarnating on this planet. It took understanding,accepting,and embracing my true self to understand my special purpose was to help people with special education needs the whole entire time. My life purpose was always set before my eyes ever since I was put in a special education class. It was always about giving back for the help that I got and help others like myself. It took an angel reading confirming it and picking up the Indigo/Crystal children card as the very first card that I picked out of my angel decks to really drive it home. Now I have the Metatron cube/brain as my official neurodiversity logo for my Neurodiversity Meetup group and nonprofit organization, Developmental Neurodiversity Association.
I don't care about New Age labels like lightworker,Earth Angel,Indigo,and Crystal nor being labeled a Scorpio. That stuff doesn't fly in a a country dominated by Christianity,Science,and Psychiatry. My Sun is constellation of Virgo any way. My Moon in Tropical Pisces is in constellation of Aquarius conjunct the alpha Aquarius star,Sadalmelik. I believe that the Constellations are our Cosmic self, and the tropical zodiac is our Earthly self. I try to be practical and down to Earth with the very strong Saturn influence that I have. Living in a country that still has a lot of prejudice and division in regards to racism,sexism,homophobia,religious intolerance help me to keep my feet on the ground.

I am with MVM,I don't believe that there is any way of seeing how old a soul is in the chart. It really depends on the system.
The last degree is relative depending on the system. There are Cyril Fagan astrologers and Vedic Astrologers that use the Sidereal Zodiac. People who have planets,points in the last degrees of the zodiac have those planets,points in other degrees that are around the middle of the zodiac. Planets,points in the late degree of a tropical zodiac are in the same sign in the sidereal zodiac and will probably in that constellation too.

further more, there are astronomical points that aspect 29 degree placements

The heliocentric Orcus Nodes have been located between 28 and 29 degrees Sagittarius/Gemini for the last century.

The heliocentric Chiron Nodes have been located between 28 and 29 degrees Libra/Aries for the last century

the heliocentric Pholus Nodes have been located between 28 and 29 degrees Cancer/Capricorn for the last century

Remember all objects have nodes. not just the moon. Nodes are just the intersection of orbital planes of 2 objects. Picture 2 rings or hula hoops interlocked with each others. All objects have nodes because all objects have orbits in relation to other other objects.

anybody born in modern day period who strongly believe that their last degree of signs placements are special in some way just have to look at how they are aspected by the centaurean heliocentric Nodes of Chiron and Pholus and the transneptunian heliocentric Nodes of Orcus to understand.

In my Vedic Astrology chart, I have Ketu in 12th house. That is said to be a good for moksha which is liberation from samsara aka reincarnation cycle,intuitive gifts,and the need for spiritual community or ashram,enjoy distant travels,and the need to create a peaceful living environment. It's a placement of significant loss and suffering, especially if identify with form a lot and focus on the material world. Ketu is the planet of liberation,detachment in Vedic Astrology. 12th house is the house of liberation,detachment in Vedic Astrology. Ketu in 12th is like a planet in its corresponding house. Remember that Vedic Astrology uses a whole house system.
I don't use Vedic Astrology which is based on religious scriptures which I don't believe in. It's based on a very conservative culture which is something that my very liberal self would have much conflict with. Therefore, Western Astrology is for me. I want a 21st Century Western Astrology to use for myself. I just want to say that there is nothing wrong with Vedic Astrology nor Indian culture. Many people like it,and that's fine. It's just not for me with my very liberal nature.

I thought my theory on the transneptunians were logical when using Astronomy. Transneptunian objects (mainly the kuiper belt) are old remnants of the solar system. Pluto is one of them too. When Pluto was discovered, the solar system was thought to end with Pluto. They didn't find another transneptunian until 62 years after Pluto's discovery. Then they end up finding that there were at least 1,000 objects even more. Jeffrey Wolf Green based his Evolutionary Astrology system on Pluto as being evolutionary intent and the soul. After all,Pluto was the last planet. Now we know that are whole bunch of objects that are beyond Pluto.

I believe that people strong in transneptunian dwarf planet energ are people that are ahead of their time which reflects how transneptunians weren't discovered until 1990's except for Pluto in 1930. Pluto's true size wasn't known until Charon was discovered. Before Charon was discovered, Pluto was thought to be as big as our Earth. That was one of the reasons,Pluto was classed as a planet with Western Astrologers quickly jumping on the Pluto bandwagon, assigning Pluto rulership over Scorpio and 8th house not long after it was discovered. Pluto's true nature wasn't known until after the Kuiper Belt was discovered in 1992. Then objects were found that had the same icy rock composition and similar orbit as Pluto. Pluto was misunderstood for a very long time. The transneptunians as extremely primitive remnants of the solar system could mean that people in strong transneptunian are also deeply connected to the past. It said that highly metaphysically oriented people are intuitive,perceptive,and deeply connected to both the past and future that would be in synchronicity with how transneptunian objects are very primitive solar system remnants discovered later than the planets. The transneptunians failed to form as planets. I see that as like how transneptunian people don't fit in easily with other people. Their belief systems in metaphysical,occult systems can be seen as too primitive by mainstream people that believe in knowledge of science. The transneptunians are so far away from the Sun, that they are shrouded in darkness. These transneptunians can be viewed as the shadow,and deep unconsious of a person. Many Transneptunian people's beliefs in metaphysical,occult systems can be be viewed as being "dark" by people who hold conservative religious beliefs.

All of the things that Donna Cunningham said about Outer Planet People can easily apply to Transneptunian Object People. People with strong Pluto are influence are also Transneptunian Object People any way. However, I think real Plutonian types are actual people with Pluto aspects within 3 degrees. I don't believe in using the same orbs for Pluto as the planets.

Recently, there are astrologers that are starting to question Tropical Zodiac. There is an Australian Astrologer that hasn't used the tropical zodiac system in 10 years. Who can blame him? He was born in the Southern Hemisphere, and the tropical zodiac was based on the northern hemisphere seasons. Most astrologers don't take different hemispheres into account.

the polar regions are big question too. After all, many have few houses or no houses in their charts. Placidus,Koch,and other house systems don't work for them. Even the equal and whole sign house systems don't reflect the astronomical reality.

any ways...I don't believe that there is any actual way to see if a person is an old soul. There are so many astrological systems and methods with disagreements about what to use just like with religious,spiritual beliefs/practices. Therefore, so many ways of looking at how old a soul is with much disagreement among astrologers. I don't bother looking at stuff like that in Astrology. Also an old soul doesn't necessarily mean advanced either.

If we use Western Tropical Astrology to see if a person is an old soul, we're just looking at it from the Western Northern hemisphere view. We are disregarding relativity with the Eastern world and the Southern hemisphere.

Another thing is that astrological systems change over time, often derived from other civilizations,cultures and influenced by other cultures. It is said that the zodiac that we used now was based on what the Greeks used ,and that it was actually derived from the Babylonians that used to use a 16 zodiac system. Egyptians used a different type of decanate type of Zodiac (ie. both my friend and I have Isis as a sunsign even though he was born on March 30th,and I was born on October 29th) but it changed to month type zodiac system similar to Western Astrology.

Celtic Astrology uses a 13 sign zodiac.

there is also the Mayan,Aztec Astrological systems that are different from us.

There is the Chinese Astrological systems too.

We're only looking at the chart from a Western perspective when we are looking at tropical zodiac astrology charts.

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