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raspberri
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posted April 08, 2010 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've come to the conclusion that Venus conjunct Chiron in synastry means the Chiron person wounds the Venus person in a deep and vulnerable love relationship situation.

The pain is way too deep.

Any experiences?

I'm just trying to figure out if I hurt this person in a past life and I have to deal with the karma now. Or if it's new karma on his part.

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posted April 08, 2010 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ive been the Chiron person and have had unbelievable pain. So I think it goes both ways.
Chiron sees through Venus and that's often something she doesn't like. She's a social planet. She isn't deep, she's not like the moon for instance. Chiron pokes at the Venus' social needs and that's what hurts her. Unless she's in a particularly touchy-feely sign, she won't like Chiron's intrusion.
Chiron getting rebuffed by Venus is like he feels yucky and feels insignificant with his wounds hanging out as though it were public scrutiny.

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posted April 08, 2010 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I'm Venus and I just WANT love from the Chiron person. Like unconditional love and I sometimes feel like he doesn't love me. He hides his feelings.

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posted April 08, 2010 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there's probably other factors there. Like maybe Saturn or something. That aspect alone is painful but there maybe there's other stuff going on synastry-wise.

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posted April 08, 2010 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah probably so, but the Venus/Chiron is exact and it has more weight than other aspects in our syanstry because of it.

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posted April 08, 2010 05:45 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
my best friend's chiron
opposes my venus by 2 degrees,
and my sun exactly

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posted April 08, 2010 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Yep...it's not the magickal Cinderella linkage that Magi Society says it is.

I am very sorry that you've been hurt by the Chiron guy.

The aspect can go either way. The Chiron person can hurt,bring pain to the Venus person in regards to love,relationship,value systems. It can also healing,bring out wholeness to the Venus person. It depends on what the Chiron person does.

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posted April 08, 2010 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
...Sometimes the Venus person isn't prepared to get real and be authentic. That's part of Chiron's dilemma, I've found.

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posted April 10, 2010 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yep...it's not the magickal Cinderella linkage that Magi Society says it is.

Lol. You're right, Glaucus.

Magi Society paints an overly idealized and glowing picture of this aspect, and it's just not so glamorous in real life.

I think what happens is that one or both partner thinks at first that it's going to be this fairy tale love relationship, and since most fairy tales are not real, it turns out to be a very painful linkage that may produce lifelong pain.

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posted April 11, 2010 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for changchiu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you know which person is chiron,other person is Venus?I dont understand that part???

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posted April 11, 2010 11:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Liz.G excerpt .. ( slightly snipped )

.. A general rule in synastry is that we experience others through the lens of our own planets. If someone's whatnot lands on your Venus, what you will feel is Venus, which means that you become aware of this dimension in yourself in that person's presence. If it is their Sun conjuncting it, then you may feel beautiful and loved and worth something as a person. If it is their Saturn, you may also feel loved after a fashion, but you may also feel criticised or burdened in some way. If it is their Pluto, you may, once again, feel loved and attractive, but you may find their intensity disturbing or controlling. Any strong contact to your Venus from another person's planets will make you much more aware of your own values, even if the process is stressful.

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posted April 11, 2010 11:53 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
** How do you know which person is chiron,other person is Venus?**
by looking at the synastry chart ..

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posted April 11, 2010 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquariusMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What about venus trine chiron? my favorite couple have this (friends of mine) He is chiron 4' degrees she is Sagittarius 29'50, not very tight but can it have some effect, so far to me at least has some stabilizing effect on his chronic depression. Her Mars 8', so it trines his Chiron too.
My parents have Venus and Mars opposistion, and its not a pretty relationship, I wonder sometimes if its the chiron that hurts my mother!

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posted April 11, 2010 01:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, that reminds me:

Chiron is a teacher.

He can teach through healing or through wounding I guess. In any case there will be learning.

Something from cafe astrology

"Venus-Chiron interaspects:
These aspects are powerful indeed. Look for the conjunction, trine, and sextile, in particular, as an indicator of true love. There is a healing quality to the relationship—one in which the natives feel that the love they have can heal the wounds they might have accumulated in relationships past. These people feel a strong need to be together, set up house together, and go the distance with each other. There can be a true feeling of joy in the love they share with one another. When the aspect is challenging, however, there can be irrational behavior and reactions to each other that are based on wounds of the past, carried forward into the present relationship. "


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posted April 11, 2010 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, that Cafe astrology is probably taken from the Magi book interpretation of Chiron/Venus aspects.

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posted April 11, 2010 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You think, Belage?


I thought the emphasis was a different one. Here it is about the healing through or of love (which makes sense given Chirons and Venus symbolism), whereas for the Magi it seems to be only fairy tale Cinderella like, great attraction, soulmate, blabla bla.

I can be wrong of course.

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posted April 11, 2010 03:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, regarding conjunction, trine, quincunx and sextile aspect between Venus and Chiron in synastry, this is what Magi astrology says:

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This is the MAGIcal LInkage and a Gloden Linkage, and is singularly the most powerful and beneficial linkage that two persons can have. It is also a Romance LInkage and a Cinderella Linkage. Interpretation: COMBINED DESTINIES, the uniting of futures, becoming one family, money as partners, joining forces, a lifelong relationship, and a charismatic relationship. If you have this linkage with someone, chances are very high that you will be of great help to each other. This linkage also greatly improves the chances of a marriage with the linked person. this is the strongest of all linkages and helps form enduring bonds. It has almost mystical influences and seems to help the linked persons in anything that they do as a pair.

They also say that Princess Diana and Prince Charles had 2 Venus Chiron linkages as a proof of what they're saying, but if you look at how their relationship ended, it is actually a cautionary tale about Venus Chiron linkages.

I think the conjunction might be the more difficult aspect of the "easy" aspects because it is more intense, as the other ones might be more supportive. And of course, if you have square and oppositions, then it's even worse.

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posted April 11, 2010 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have the Venus Chiron conjunction with someone. I can honestly say that while I was the Chiron person, this relationship brought me the most painful heartbreak I have ever experienced. That person also had his Chiron conjunct my ascendant...

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posted April 11, 2010 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am with DD

The interpretations are different from Magi Society's Love And Money book that I have, and no ..I don't use. I was given it by a member of Magi Astrology yahoo group back in 2004 when I was a member and was interested in Magi Astrology. I was actually really into it in 2000, but somebody got me to see things differently.

Now...with all these 60 centaurs that Chiron is just one of, I feel like "if I use Chiron,why not those other centaurs?"

After the stuff that I read about Magi Society's stuff on the 7th harmonic aspects,Sedna,and Ceres, there is no way could ever be a Magi Astrology. Some of it's based on Hamburg School/Uranian Astrology. It's not very original. The use of declination is not very original. Other astrologers used them before Magi Society did like Kit Boerher and Charles Jayne. Astronomers use them regularly to locate objects.

Chiron and Venus

Linkage: This is the MAGical Linkage and a Golden Linkage, and is singularly the most powerful and beneficial linkage that two persons can have. It is also a Romance Linkage and a Cinderella.
Intepretation: COMBINED DESTINIES, the uniting of futures, becoming one family, money as partners, joining forces, a lifelong relationship, and a charismatic relationship. If you have this linkage with someone, chances are very high that you will be of great help to each other. This linkage also greatly improves the chances of a marriage with the linked person. This is the strongest of all linkages and helps form enduring bonds. It has almost mystical influences and seems to help the linked persons in anything that they do as a pair.

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posted April 13, 2010 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This conjunction aspects:

his venus virgo 13
mars virgo 14
uranus sagittarius 14
chiron gemini 14

my venus gemini 14

so you see there are other factors here.

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posted April 13, 2010 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"They also say that Princess Diana and Prince Charles had 2 Venus Chiron linkages as a proof of what they're saying, but if you look at how their relationship ended, it is actually a cautionary tale about Venus Chiron linkages. "

They also had a grand cross too

Princess Diana had a t-square of Venus in Taurus square the opposition of Moon in Aquarius and Uranus in Leo, and Prince Charles' Sun in Scorpio formed a grand cross with it. Sun square Moon is one of the most challenging aspects to have in a synastry. That alone indicate significant challenges in a relationship. With it being involved a grand cross, that relationship was extremely challenging.

Princess Diana's t-square of Moon,Venus,Uranus indicated that she had a very independent,rebellious type of nature, and Prince Charles' Sun forming a grand cross to it aggravated it.

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posted April 13, 2010 01:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
~ changchiu ~

re: ** How do you know which person is chiron,other person is Venus?**
see the synastry charts here ..

Unrequited Love
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203973.html ~

chiron is the duck-like symbol .. one on the outer circle .. one on the inner ..
the way to tell whose is who .. sort of hard unless the poster gives the info ..
it will depend on how they input the info to astro.com ( i.e. who's outer and who's inner circle )
best thing to do .. calculate a synastry chart at astro.com ..
you'll see what chart lands where .. i.e. inner or outer zodiac circle ..

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posted April 14, 2010 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AquariusMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks Glaucaus that piece you wrote on Princess Di and Charles was very infomative. I like to study synastry and composites myself and I the first thing I look for is Chiron linkages.

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posted April 14, 2010 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Actually the magi state that when a couple have Chiron linkages they will fall in love, but in order for it to be a happy ending the clashes have to be less powerful than the linkages. In Princess Diana's case the clashes were too strong.

Princess Diana had a fairy tale beginning and a nightmare ending in that marriage.

RIP beauty.

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posted December 13, 2016 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonMystic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For research purposes, I'm adding my aspect and experience here.

We have a sextile, Less than 1 orb, my Venus (Pis)-his Chiron(Cap).

My former love has my heart somehow stuck returning to him as though we were part of fairytale spell.

Backstory- I betrayed him. I was careless with his heart. He was rather bitter. He dumped me and shut the book on me. Despite my deep love for him.

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