posted April 12, 2010 07:32 AM         

So yesterday i remembered to look at this.

i dont usually use this type of analisis and i dont know why cause it seems very interesting.

Do you find it accurate when you study your chart or of another person?

I´ll start with my own:

HOUSE RULERS PLACEMENTS:

- 1stH ruler venus is in the 11th
- 2ndH ruler Pluto is in the 1st
- 3rdH ruler Jup is in the 3rd
- 4thH ruler Saturn is in the 1st ( cj 2ndR)
- 5thH ruler Uranus is in the 3rd(cj 3rdR)
- 6thH ruler Nept is in the 3rd
- 7thH ruler Mars is in the 11th(cj Valentine/Karma/Fortuna)
- 8thH ruler Venus is in the 11th
- 9thH ruler Merc is in the 12th cj my asc
- 10tH ruler Moon is in the 8th
- 11tH ruler Sun is in the 11th
- 12th Ruler Merc is in the 12th 0Libra anaeretic degree

So i dont know much about these interpretations,so i went researching.

i found some doomy-gloomy interpretations but that were about Vedic so i passed in front of those.

Do you know some good links where to find accurate descriptions?

looking at those i focus particularly on the MC ruler being in the 8th...somehow that is very descriptibe of what i want to do professionally:as 8th rules transformation,and i want to transform people through beauty.

posted April 12, 2010 07:51 AM         

Also remember, they are just one part of the whole; signplacements and even more so tight aspects modify them.

posted April 12, 2010 08:33 AM         

Ruler of the First House in the Eleventh House
Your friends, acquaintances and other large groups of people will play important roles in your life overall. Humanitarian pursuits and organizations dedicated to some kind of wide-scale social change may become significant to you also. You may strongly identify with those things that are considered to be ahead of the times, or with anything that breaks with societal traditions.

Ruler of the Second House in the First House
What you have as far as the money you earn and your possessions influences your outlook on life, as well as your self image to some extent. Your early childhood probably influenced your value system and your sense of self worth.

Ruler of the Third House in the Third House
You have a strong desire to communicate your ideas, whether verbally or in written form and you may also be quite a talker. Something about your early childhood had a profound bearing your thinking and learning processes. This can also indicate that siblings, relatives and others in your immediate environment can play a very important role in your life. You'll get a lot of personal satisfaction from becoming involved with neighborhood and community projects because it's not in your best interest to seclude yourself away from social activities.

Ruler of the Fourth House in the First House
Your mother or your upbringing influenced your outlook on life or perhaps you learned at an early age that much of your emotional security foundation is built on yourself. Your home and private life are a strong part of your identity.

Ruler of the Fifth House in the Third House
You enjoy anything related to transportation cars, planes, etc. Your children are often on your mind and they might even influence your ideas. Children in general are willing to listen to you. You may enjoy the teaching field.

Ruler of the Sixth House in the Third House
You learned something about the work ethic during your childhood. The work you do may involve communications, writing, transportation, or teaching what you know. You may end up working with relatives or you could have family "karma" with brothers/sisters or other close relatives.

Ruler of the Seventh House in the Eleventh House
Your marriage partner can be very much like a friend to you or the element of friendship is very important to both of you.
You may form a business partnership with a friend or acquaintance. When it comes to committed relationships, either you or your partner may need a higher than usual degree of independence even within the framework of marriage.

Ruler of the Eighth House in the Eleventh House
Support from others, whether moral or financial, can come from friends or even certain organizations. A total lifestyle change can result from becoming involved in a group effort where people work towards a common goal. Your dreams reflect your hopes and wishes and they can actually help you achieve goals if you pay attention to the messages they bring. Familiarize yourself with dream symbology.

Ruler of the Ninth House in the Twelfth House
You may prefer to keep your philosophies on life or your religious beliefs to yourself. Your higher mind can connect with the higher planes, which will manifest as a heightened intuition. Certain spiritual or religious philosophies might cause you some mental confusion. This is because orthodox religious beliefs could be challenged by your ability to perceive a kind of all embracing cosmic consciousness.

Ruler of the Tenth House in the Eighth House
Your main profession or your attitude towards it can go through a complete change. Your feelings about authority figures or even about being in a position of authority yourself will change. Your career may be related to some kind of research, other people's resources, or even the metaphysical realm.

Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Eleventh House
Your friends are related to your participation in group causes. Your hopes and wishes are unusual or ahead of the times in some way.
You can create wide-scale social change through participating with groups of people dedicated to a common cause.

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Twelfth House
Your past lives have an influence on your desire to help other people and you may choose to perform some kind of service through large public institutions.You may experience confusion and doubt about certain spiritual matters. You can more easily get in touch with your subconscious mind, or even receive spiritual guidance while you are in a meditative state. Allowing feelings of self doubt and guilt to get the upper hand will eventually work against you. Put the past behind you. Today is the first day of the rest of your life.

I noticed that my Scorpio House description sounded more accurate using Mars instead of Pluto, so this is the 2nd House Mars description ...

Ruler of the Second House in the Eleventh House
You may be someone who chooses to put some of your own money into supporting a humanitarian cause, or some other kind of organization representing a cause that you feel strongly about. There's a part of you that values efforts dedicated to creating changes which have global influence. The money you earn yourself will assist in the manifestation of your fondest hopes and wishes. Open up a "dream come true" account for yourself. Your sense of self worth is supported by the love you receive from others. Do yourself a favor and hang out with those who assist rather than detract from your causes. Wishes can come true when the self worth is strong enough to open the door for them.

posted April 12, 2010 08:50 AM         

You're curious about life and learning is important to you. You want to get your ideas noticed and communication is important to you.
There is a strong need to feel well integrated into your immediate community and you may make many short local trips.
You tend to have a lot of interest in your siblings if you have them and you identify strongly with close relatives in general.

(square Neptune)

Ruler of the Second House in the Eighth House

Combining your own resources with the assets of other people will potentially strengthen your own financial picture. Consider indications that support the handling of other people's money as a way to increase your own income. Your approach to handling money and your personal value system are subject to running to extremes; perhaps even a complete overhaul at some point in life. You could go from rags to riches.

(the financial perspective is too superficial though; 2nd and 8th are not mainly about finances, but about security, principles and those things you deeply commit to)

Ruler of the Third House in the Eleventh House

This indicates that you may think quite a bit about changing the world through humanitarian or other group efforts.
You have many ideas about how to manifest your fondest hopes and wishes. Your thinking may be a bit radical, ahead of the times or unusual in some way. You may have a lot of communication with friends, acquaintances and groups of people.

Ruler of the Third House in the First House

You enjoy sharing whatever is going on in your life with others and one of the primary ways that you relate to people is by using your conversational skills to the utmost. Childhood experiences, especially those that happened during your early school years, could have significantly shaped your outlook on life. Other important figures may have included close relatives, particularly a brother or sister.
(squares Jupiter, conjunct NN and ASC)

Ruler of the Fourth House in the Twelfth House

There may have been unclear circumstances surrounding your mother or other close family members-perhaps mentally creating an idealized version of your childhood circumstances. You could be a very private person and you feel emotionally secure even when you are alone. This can also mean that you'll become more spiritually oriented during the second half of life, perhaps putting more emphasis on developing that side of yourself.

(conjunct ASC and Neptune)

Ruler of the Fifth House in the First House

Your creative abilities are reflected in your outlook on life and love and romance are life experiences you strongly identify with.
The ability to satisfactorily express your own will has a positive effect on your outlook and approach to life in general.
Your children especially the first are a reflection of you. Your children or children in general could be very important to you.

(square Pluto and MC)

Ruler of the Sixth House in the First House

The work you do affects your outlook on life and your vitality in general. You could be highly sensitive to weather changes so that they actually influence your mood and your motivation. You tend to worry too much about the impression you make on others.

(square Pluto and MC)

Ruler of the Seventh House in the First House

Partnerships, such as marriage or best friends, have an important impact on your outlook on life. Your partner is a reflection of you and you can gain insight into some of your own motivations by observing the behavior of those closest to you. You'll have to be willing to take an honest inventory of yourself in order to learn from these experiences. Other people in general are strongly influenced by your personality and you can project more power than you think you can.

(conjunct Sun)

Ruler of the Eighth House in the Second House

Other people's money or resources can strengthen your own financial picture. Other people's values can influence your own value system. The field of metaphysics could be a source of income for you. Deep intimate bonding with another person is something you feel strongly about. You tend to bond with others emotionally as well as sexually and it's difficult for you to separate these feelings.

Ruler of the Ninth House in the First House

Your belief system, which encompasses a personal philosophy on life or perhaps some religious tradition, has an important bearing on your outlook on life. Anything that allows you to broaden your thinking and your life experience is highly significant for you.

(conjunct Sun and Mercury)

Ruler of the Tenth House in the First House

An authority figure or perhaps your father had a strong influence on your outlook on life.
You could have a strong desire to be your own boss, or your ability to be a strong authority figure is easily perceived by others.

(square Pltuo and MC)

Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Tenth House

Friends, groups of people, or organizations with a common cause could be directly related to your career somehow.
You can create large scale social changes through participating in governmental affairs. You may have friends and acquaintances who are in positions of authority. Sudden and unexpected circumstances can affect your career or your public reputation, or this astrological influence could mean that you have a very unusual approach to your career.

(conjunct MC and square Venus)

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Tenth House

Any altruistic service that you perform will come before the public eye. You want to help others through your career or your position of authority and responsibility. You could experience a time of confusion and doubt about your career choices.
You may be called upon to forgive your father or some other primary authority figure. Too much emphasis on your worldly status can eventually work against you. Use whatever power you gain with wisdom and compassion. The world you create is the one you will also live in.

(conjunct MC and square Venus)

posted April 12, 2010 09:27 AM         

Do you feel identified with those?

Evanski!

thank you very much!i forgot to look at that site,i have it in my favorites.I feel identified with it allright.

im identified with things considered ahead of time,and that breaks societal rules.

somehow i feel conected to both descriptions of the placement of the 2ndh ruler.my childwood influenced my value system and my sense of self-worth.although now im transforming myself from who i was and what i thought to be my Truths in Life.

i loved the thought to open an account for a "dream come true" thing

about siblings and relatives: I DO have a lot of attatchment to them.they are my nucleus in Life,along with my boyfriend.

i live in my family house with my twin sister and parents.i love how the neightbourhoow is quiet,friendly and nice.i dont like big cities where people dont get in touch or involved with neighbours...i feel good by saying hello and good morning to every one,that i know here.it is a small village.

comunicating ideas - YES!but not as teatcher,cause i have fobia of public talking,and some ansieties about it.But i do write a lot and i started a blog now about FASHION,where i can share my own thoughts.

my home and private life IS a strong part of my Identity.i feel blessed cause of the family i was born in.

i dont have any children yet but im sure i will be a great mother.they often like me a lot,and come to me at the street saying nice things . i love to travel.

"you may end up working with relatives..!" this idea is very interesting and a bit of a coicidence! i did worked with my mother at her baby store for some years now.

yesterday i was talking about my dreams in Fashion with my brothers girlfriend ( who is now pregnant of already 6 months!!!) and she said that i should follow my dreams.
and that she was thinking of opening a business herlsef in fashion/clothes,and add a fashion adviser service to it....and of course i thought about an oportunity there for me.

but this was jsut a conversation and she hasnt done it yet.it is still in her Mind only.

posted April 12, 2010 09:27 AM         

"familiarize yourself with dream symbology"...i am!i have many dreams,and often i remember them.ive already dream t with numbers that were spot on Lotto for example..

Support from groups and other organizations- help to my goals - WOWO! i do hope so!i do have a loaded 11th...

i have a very strong intuition yes.but it increased in this last year that passed,due to my spiritual hangings i guess.

YES to religion!i am not part of any right now cause for me,i am my own religion.it is like what is true for me spiritualy,dont really come from the exterior or others teatchings,but from my own Superior Self,my intuition being the channel.

i believe in a One cosmic Consciounsess and that we are all ONe.

profession realting to metaphysical--well astrology is an hobbye and im hoping to work,in arts.i dont see myself as working in an authority position cause im more of a reserved,low profile person,i dont have the ability or personality to be the Boss.

i consider myself as a very sensitive person torwards Humanitarian Causes.

PAST LIFES:days ago my eldest sister that is reading a book of the 13th century said to me that i was a thief in the times of Joana D+arc.She said that i stooled the rich ones to give to the poor,like Robin Hood!

so this need to help and support others might come from that too.i have Vesta cj my NN

posted April 12, 2010 11:49 AM         

I see you have 3 planets in your 3rd and 11th houses

I remember a thread where coffee said she (?) saw the 11th house as representing fame.

Edited

I found it interesting that in all descriptions, (from and to House 10), the 5th House was the only one that mentioned creativity.

Does your 10th House ruler aspect your 5th House ruler? Could that show creativity in ones career?

Do you have any planets in 10th if using a different house system?

'i loved the thought to open an account for a "dream come true" thing'

One of mine has
'The world you create is the one you will also live in'. So true!

'PAST LIFES:days ago my eldest sister that is reading a book of the 13th century said to me that i was a thief in the times of Joana D+arc.She said that i stooled the rich ones to give to the poor,like Robin Hood!'

Wow, she sensed that from reading a book?
My grandmothers family could sense things, they too were gifted.

posted April 12, 2010 01:47 PM         

Ruler of 1st in 11th? I actually prefer one or two people than groups.

6th in 4? I interpret that as perhaps being a housewife, caregiver, or home decorator...stuff I really don't have in mind.

7th in 4th? Does it imply I'll someday have a husband and we'll live together?...that's obvious.

10th in 9? I don't do overseas/law work.

11th in 2nd? Certainly don't look for money off of friends/groups.

posted April 12, 2010 02:00 PM         

that is exactly what I meant when I said that we have to know how to interrete these things. Groups is one expression of the 11th house, but not the only one.

The 11th house is the fixed in the transpersonal quadrant; it usually has to do with your role in the world; not always in a strictly career-sense, but how you project yourself personally into the world, how you find your place in society, which is an important thing for an 11th house placement. What is my place in the world?
The 1st houseruler in 11th house has Mars-Uranus symbolism - it has much to do with the feeling of being different or wanting to leave a very unique mark in the world.
Sometimes people with that will do many good things for their social environment, caritative or huminatarian work. Sometimes they just want to decide for themselves (1st house), who they are and do not want societies rules tell them how they should be (11th house).
Sometimes they will also be "natural leaders" by the powerful persona they are projecting (ruler of 1 in 11), even without having any ambition to do so. It is just who they are, they can become trendsetter so to speak.
Sometimes it will be them who break all the rules.

But nothing of that has to happen in big groups.

also, if you cannot identify with this at all, have you seen what aspects modify this for you? or what planet is making the connection. Pluto or Saturn as ruler of 1st house in 11th house will probably not be that group-oriented and even avoids a crowd, while Venus as 1st house ruler in 11th house might actually enjoy group-dynamics.

posted April 12, 2010 02:07 PM         

I have always been drawn to Robinhood, too. But then again it is England, I had to be attracted to that.

posted April 12, 2010 02:14 PM         

Ruler of the First House in the Third House - Mercury
You're curious about life and learning is important to you. You want to get your ideas noticed and communication is important to you.
There is a strong need to feel well integrated into your immediate community and you may make many short local trips.
You tend to have a lot of interest in your siblings if you have them and you identify strongly with close relatives in general.

Ruler of the Second House in the Third House - Venus
You feel deeply about communicating in general; especially in regards to your personal value system.
You may increase your money supply through some form of communication, a teaching situation, or even through your siblings or near relatives in some way, perhaps by working with them. Additionally, family relationships are something you feel deeply about and place a high value on. Money and transportation are linked in your chart. An example would be-you could make money selling cars, bicycles, motorcycles, etc.

Ruler of the Third House in the Sixth House - Mars
You put a lot of energy into thinking about the work you do. You share many of your ideas with coworkers. You think and talk about your health and you can use mind over matter to influence your own well-being. Think positively. You may have a tendency to worry too much about minor details and ideas of perfection. Transportation and travel may play a part in the work you do.

Ruler of the Fourth House in the Third House - Jupiter
Childhood experiences had an exceptionally strong influence on your emotional security foundation. Your upbringing was influenced strongly by a close relative or relatives and could have been more education oriented than usual.

Ruler of the Fifth House in the Ninth House - Saturn
You have a great respect for higher education and you enjoy foreign cultures and long distance travel. You may carry on a love affair with someone who lives far away or who is from a foreign culture. You also enjoy participating in sports, athletic pursuits or something related to getting away from it all, such as hunting, camping, or hiking in the mountains.

Ruler of the Sixth House in the Ninth House - Saturn
The work you do may be related to teaching at a higher level or it could be involved with the publishing or advertising fields. It may require a good deal of travel or it may be that you simply work outside versus sitting in a traditional office job. Or, your work may actually be related to your religious/spiritual ideals. If you own pets, you may prefer large ones to small ones.

Ruler of the Seventh House in the Third House - Jupiter
You have a strong mental connection to your partner and your partner may be able to easily influence your ideas.
Partnerships may have a brother/sister quality about them or perhaps they're like a teacher to you in some regard.
In certain situations, you'll have to learn to firmly stand your ground as other people may openly oppose some of your ideas.

Ruler of the Eighth House in the Sixth House - Mars
Sleep plays an important role in your health both physically and mentally.
You need to have some control over the work you do, or perhaps even your coworkers. and employees.

Ruler of the Ninth House in the Third House - Venus
Your spiritual awareness had an influence on you even as a child. Your beliefs or your philosophies on life could be something you have a strong desire to share with others. You want to expand your mind and any education that goes beyond high school may depend on what you teach yourself. You can teach what you know either verbally or in writing.

Ruler of the Tenth House in the Third House - Mercury
An authority figure or perhaps your father had a strong influence on your thinking during your childhood.
Your career could include working with relatives. It may also require many short distance trips and/or a good bit of commuting.
You could either be a strong authority figure for a sibling or you may have a strong sense of responsibility towards him/her.

Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Sixth House - Moon
Your friends could be mostly your co-workers. Your friends may even be your employees.
You can create wide-scale social change through the work you do. You bring unusual approaches and ideas to the workplace.

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Second House - Sun
Past life scenarios can bring up issues to work out regarding finances or what you have in general. This can stem from past life attitudes about money or perhaps even your feelings of self worth. You could experience a time of confusion and doubt about your own self worth.
Too much emphasis on the importance of material possessions can work against you. Experience the contentment that the simple pleasures of life can offer.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.

posted April 12, 2010 02:18 PM         

Vedic Astrologers use a Sidereal Zodiac. Therefore, they would not apply to your Western Tropical Zodiac chart.

I have 2 books on Vedic Astrology that have interpretations for planetary,house ruler placements, and they are not the fatalistic kind.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 12, 2010 02:27 PM         

Ruler of the Third House in the Eighth House

Your mind is tuned into the psychic plane and you can develop these abilities if you choose. Your thinking, ideas and the way you communicate may go through a drastic change at some point in life. Your thinking and communications can be very intense and a childhood experience may have had a strong influence on your mind. This astrological influence may indicate that a sibling or near relative may leave you a legacy of some kind though it's difficult to pinpoint what or how much.

Ruler of the Third House in the Third House

You have a strong desire to communicate your ideas, whether verbally or in written form and you may also be quite a talker. Something about your early childhood had a profound bearing your thinking and learning processes. This can also indicate that siblings, relatives and others in your immediate environment can play a very important role in your life. You'll get a lot of personal satisfaction from becoming involved with neighborhood and community projects because it's not in your best interest to seclude yourself away from social activities.

Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Twelfth House

You may prefer to keep your fondest hopes and wishes to yourself. Some of your friends and acquaintances may be people you knew in a past life. Or, there may be a hidden element to those relationships. Illusion could also play a part.You could have a desire to serve humankind altruistically or help other people in a behind-the-scenes capacity. This astrological influence can also denote a relationship to secret organizations. Your unusual ideas can lead to your own undoing. This possibility can manifest as a result of extremely radical approaches. Diplomacy and the inclusion of others can only help your causes.

Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Twelfth House

posted April 12, 2010 03:03 PM         

that is interesting cause ive never associated the 3rd with creativity!but if i look at my empty 5th and i know i am very creativity person...well it must be true.

my stellium in the 11th well im not wanting fame,im a very reserved person and i dont like to draw attention to myself most of the times,

must be like DD said,i afterall have pluto and saturn in the 1st

hmm i dont have an aspect of the 1oth ruler moon with the 5th ruler..which is uranus.

i wonder of there is any asteroid pertaining creativity?

no change in the 10th if i use other house system...only the 3rd ruler jup passes from the 3rd into my 2nd house,ysing Koch.

and if i use Equal,jup and uranus/ruler 5th passes into my 2nd and sun/ruler 11th passes into my 12th.

my eldest sister has also a very intuitive mind.although she is a bit ceptic.she is a math teatcher with Gem sun! but she is opening her mind and heart now to these things.

you can study your chart to see past lifes.look at your draconic chart for example.IQ can surelly add something to it.

never looked at RobinHood alhtough it was one of my favorite characters when i was younger. i remember when kevin costner played it,back then he was my Dreamy Actor!

CatFace

well astrology is so complex.that like DD say,we must look at the whole and take conclusions.there is a great site about meanings of houses that i use:
http://www.astrologyzine.com/what-is-house-8.shtml

DD

you nailed it so right.about the 11th for me at least.the part of wanting to leave a unique mark and help others.yes to the part of not letting society dictate the rules.

aww we must have knowned each other in England too cause i love it!!the times of Robin although it was a dark Era,i cannot stop of being fascinated by it.

hmm my sister told me that my mother was a "witch" that was good but turned sower when someone stole her the man she loved.My present father now,was her brother,whom my mother hurted by separating him from his lover,but my father orgived her.my twin sister now,was someone very brave( after Joana Dárcs time,my sister was somekind of a follower,so it seems...),who saved my mother from being burden up at those public gatherings. and i was someone that did the same as Robin Hood.

so this was all that she said ...oh i forgot:my brother seems that hasnt marks of a Past,but only one lifetime.my sister says that he seems to be a Soul that is sent as an Angel. he only lived twice in this world till now.

posted April 12, 2010 03:08 PM         

and do yo find Vedic to be accurate?the sites ive found on the internet seems always so doomy-gloomy...

DD

but it is used the modern or ancient rulers?

about RObinHood placement:

it is 18 Cancer in the 10th..cj my draco ASC.

posted April 12, 2010 03:40 PM         

do you think that the mark is somehow related to your past life,anterior to this one?

birthmarks i think has to do with past ways that we died.hmmm dont really know why i say this.dont know if it is true but this idea came to me now.

posted April 12, 2010 06:43 PM         

You're right, 5th House is creativity.
3rd is communication.

My chart has Leo (the 5th sign) in 3rd.

posted April 12, 2010 07:28 PM         

Personality 10: "The old man or woman" ("The guardian of the law")
If I want to know more about "law", about my higher calling, my vocation or about the truths fate wants to teach me (which I do not want to learn) - I look at my Saturn persona chart.

Maybe you could look at the houses and their rulers in your Saturn persona chart?

I remember a post from another board that talked about harmonic charts.
They said you can see talent in the 7th harmonic and skills in the 5th harmonic.
Would the 10th harmonic show career?

Harmonic and persona charts are too advanced for me lol

'i wonder of there is any asteroid pertaining creativity?'
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/201553.html

posted by Tigerlily ...
Creativity Asteroids and Muses:

600 Musa (Greek)
2 Pallas (also called Pallas Athene) (Greek)
881 Athene (Greek)
1862 Apollo (Greek)
3361 Orpheus (Greek)
80 Sappho (Greek)
93 Minerva (Roman)
2340 Hathor (Egyptian)
5011 Ptah (Egyptian)
1813 Imhotep (Egyptian)
443 Photographica
57 Mnemosyne (Greek)
22 Kalliope (Greek)
84 Klio (Greek)
18 Melpomene (Greek)
27 Euterpe (Greek)
62 Erato (Greek)
81 Terpsichore (Greek)
30 Urania (Greek)
23 Thalia (Greek)
33 Polyhymnia (Greek)
14827 Hypnos (Greek)
4106 Nada (Vedic)
2415 Ganesa (Vedic)
4572 Brage (Norse)

'you can study your chart to see past lifes.look at your draconic chart for example.IQ can surelly add something to it.'

I feel I was trapped and drowned in a vessel that filled with water.
Even if I understood how to read a draconic chart I wouldn't know what asteroids to use

posted April 12, 2010 08:52 PM         

From BENEATH A VEDIC SKY by William R. Levacy

Ruler of 1st in 3rd Sun
Keywords: Determined Personality
Favorable: Siblings and very close friends and neighbors are an important part of life and contribute to progress; friendly, humorous, courageous; skills in writing,lecturing,and communicating; likes adventures and sports; good artistic expression; strong desires and motivations; strives for the highest attainments; travels a lot close to home
Unfavorable: Tries too hard to succeed; aggressive; conflicts with siblings and neighbors; frustrated; efforts don't get results; although interested, has only minor artistic and athletic skills; poor self-promotion; ailments of neck,shoulder,and hands; problems with anxiety

Ruler of 2nd in 3rd Mercury
Keywords: Finances Through Personal Efforts
Favorable: Gains through activities supported by siblings and close friends and neighbors; makes money through own efforts; courageous, adventurous; benefits through artistic expression and through the voice; profits through sales, marketing, advertising, and short-distance travels
Unfavorable: Might try to gain money through aggressive or dishonest means; anxiety to get money could lead to using inappropriate methods; doesn't weigh what they say; lacks courtesy for others; impatient

Ruler of 3rd in 3rd Venus
Keywords: Successful Efforts
Favorable: Gets results with a minimum of effort; daring; love adventure; success in field of sales, marketing, acting, art, music, athletics, dance; seminar giver; editing; gains through reading and writing; skilled communicator; younger siblings enjoy success; benefits from short-distance traveling; quick learner
Unfavorable: Could make the person overzealous and inclined to put too much effort into things; siblings may be too involved with their lives; recklessness with writing and communicating could bring problems

Ruler of 4th in 7th Mars
Keywords: Emotions from Partnerships
Favorable: Gets emotional support and happiness from partner; good marriage; earns much through partnerships; does business related to education, vehicles, and real estate, or partner is involved in these matters; partner has a strong career (4th is 10th to the 7th); very close to mother
Unfavorable: May get another mother (7th is 4th to the 4th); emotional problems in marriage; partner does not have enough equity, fixed assets, or startup capital to succeed in business; partner is poorly educated or unbalanced and nonsupportive; inappropriate relationship with mother; if fourth house is afflicted with unfavorable planets, the person will do better outside their place of birth

Ruler of 5th in 4th Jupiter
Keywords: Intellect Mixed with Emotions
Favorable: Well educated, educator to executives, interest in teaching beginners and/or children, attains a spiritual peace, spiritual teacher, comfortable home and family, mother is a source of inspiration, children pursue careers connected to education, real estate, and other fourth-house matters
Unfavorable: Problems with children or childbearing (4th is 12th to the 5th), losses in speculation through lack of education or understanding, difficulties or misunderstandings with mother

Ruler of 6th in 10th Saturn
Keywords: Career of Service and Defending
Favorable: Career in medical, legal, business administration, defense and security fields, or as animal worker, physical therapist, exercise expert, or nutritionist; success through hardwork; makes money from adversaries and by going to court; wants things to be free of impurities and performing at a high standard
Unfavorable: Strugges to find their purpose in life; gets sick or hurt at work; opponents hurt career or status; doesn't fight hard enough to keep job or position; has a low-paying and hard-working job; sometimes must ask people for money or take out loans to make ends meet; makes money hurting or attacking others

Ruler of 7th in 10th Saturn
Keywords: Life Purpose in Partnerships
Favorable: Person is happy; gets along well with mate's mother and family; mate has major impact on person's career; mate is career-oriented and able to achieve good status; person has good business skills; travel to distant locations for business bring good results
Unfavorable: Mate could be too career-focused; mate may want the success and activity of a career but may not be competent enough, causing expenses and strains to the relationship; the person may lose momentum in their own career due to the mate

Ruler of 8th in 4th Jupiter
Keywords: Transcendental Emotions
Favorable: Inheritance or financial windfall from mother's side of family; supersensory emotions and intuition; interest in esoteric or hidden knowledge; involved in sale of home, insurance, securities, and estate planning connected to death or the closure of life; vital sensual and sexual feelings
Unfavorable: Loss of mother; mistreatment; hypersensitive; easily embarassed or shamed; gets blamed; emotional problems; keeps their feelings a secret; exposure for serious auto accident; trouble with real estate, educational difficulties, might live in untidy or poor surroundings; lives in seclusion

Ruler of 9th in 7th Mars
Keywords: Fortune Through Partnerships
Favorable: Gets lots of advantages from being married and being in a partnership; does business in foreign lands; may go overseas to seek spiritual knowledge; partner may be involved in law, higher education, and spiritual pursuits; person has good fortune overall and knows how to relate well to people
Unfavorable: Partner may be absent a lot in business in foreign locations; pursuit of spiritual knowledge may detract from business activities; father could be away on business overseas and could even die in a foreign country

Ruler of 10th in 3rd Venus
Keywords: Career of Self-Expression
Favorable: Determined, persistent, adventuresome; younger siblings help the career; many short-distance travels in their job; builds their success through lecturing, selling, marketing, advertising, writing, editing, printing, communications business, computers, music, art, acting, dancing, sports
Unfavorable: Puts in a lot of effort for minimal rewards; doesn't evaluate the consequences and suffers many setbacks and delays; procrastinates; lack of determination and courage; aggressive, impatient, problems with younger siblings and neighbors, hand, neck, and shoulder injuries at work; breathing, nerve, or skin damage from occupational hazards (3rd is 8th to the 8th)

Ruler of 11th in 3rd Mercury
Keywords: Profitable Self-Expression
Favorable: Successful adventures; succeeds through determination and perseverance; good cash flow from communications, athletics, art, music, writing, acting, dance, computer technology, sales and marketing, seminar instructor, editor, etc. ; siblings and friends contribute to financial success; person is very persuasive and friendly
Unfavorable: Friends, neighbors, and siblings could bring impediments to profits; has to work too hard to get ahead or keep a steady income; hearing problems

Ruler of 12th in 7th Moon
Keywords: Unbounded Partnerships
Favorable: Seeks a partnership with the Divine; does foreign business; travels on pilgrimages; partners are spiritual and open to pleasures; might meet mate on foreign travels; mate and partners might do better if they live at a distance, are away on travel, or have some ability to take time to themselves; might work in marriage counseling or as a conflict mediator
Unfavorable: Divorce or separation; losses and troubles in relationships; does poorly in business; business partnerships and agreements don't work out; mate is ill, unconfident, or uncooperative; mate runs up debts (12th is 6th to the 7th)

HOW TO PRACTICE VEDIC ASTROLOGY by Andrew Bloomfield

1st House Ruler placed in the 3rd house indicates strong abilities in the arts, whether dance, literature, or music. Ordinarily an adventurous type of person with a great deal of courage, with Capricorn or Aquarius rising, this power comes later in life (around the thirty-sixth year), making a person a late bloomer. This position also favors siblings, and can show the positive influence of a brother or sister in your life.

2nd House Ruler placed in the 3rd house is associated with creativity, indicating that you can generate income through dance, literature, music, or acting. By hard work and courageous choices, you can enhance your finances. A sibling (usually younger) may help you in this regard. Indicates a challenging childhood.

3rd House Ruler placed in the 3rd house fortifies all 3rd house indications. You have great skills in the arts, and you can pursue a career using those talents. Your enthusiasm can be contagious, and you are courageous and adventurous.

4th House Ruler placed in the 7th house indicates that you benefit from your spouse's property and real estate holdings. Emotional balance and fulfillment can be achieved by entering into partnership with another, in the context of either relationship or business.

5th House Ruler placed in the 4th house shows that your happiness is associated with dealing children, whether they are yours or not. Higher education and practicing spiritual techniques such as yoga and mantra repetition also bring fulfillment. Property and automobiles are abundant in your life, and you have a good relationship with your mother.

6th House Ruler placed in the 10th house is one of the strongest indications of a physician or healer, but you come into your power only after a certain amount of struggle and effort. Part of that struggle may be against people who try to hold you back or who are antagonistic toward your career choice.

7th House Ruler placed in the 10th house shows that your spouse or business partner is instrumental in enhancing your career. You may be in business with your spouse, or he or she may be strongly career driven.

8th house Ruler placed in the 4th house is a position in which happiness is usually challenged, and the problem may be associated with the mother. However, by cultivating a spiritual practice, and contemplating the transitory nature of life, you can develop an inner containment that is independent of material attainment.

9th House Ruler placed in the 7th house enhances luck through marriage or partnership. Your spouse may be spiritually oriented and there may be a fair amount of foreign travel with him or her. Your father plays a positive role in this union or is supportive of it.

10th House Ruler placed in the 3rd house indicates that your creative abilities are not just hobbies; they designate your career path. Your skills in acting, writing, dance, or literature should be cultivated because they show how you will likely make your living. This position favors courage, and the possibility that a sibling (probably younger) will enhance your career in some way.

11th House Ruler placed in the 3rd house indicates that opportunities abound through creative efforts. Talents in art, literature, music, or dance are strongly enhanced by practice. If doors do not open for you, you will make them open. Siblings (usually younger ones) and friends can help make opportunities available.

12th House Ruler placed in the 7th house indicates that your spouse or business partner may be strongly spiritually oriented. Otherwise, this position can indicate the loss of a partner, or more than one partner. Your partner, whether in business or marriage, may also have chronic health problems.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 12, 2010 09:03 PM         

also Vedic Astrologers also use the Moon as Ascendant too aka Chandra Lagna

My Moon is in 7th, and so my placements from the Moon are opposite from my placements from the Ascendant

example

Regular Chart
Chandra Lagna Chart

Mars in 7th
Mars in 1st

Saturn in 10th
Saturn in 4th

Ketu in 12th
Ketu in 6th

Sun,Mercury,Venus in 3rd
Sun,Mercury,Venus in 9th

Jupiter in 4th
Jupiter in 10th

Rahu in 6th
Rahu in 12th

1ST HOUSE
The Self (Atman), innate nature, the empirical self, psychological make-up, personality, physiology, temperament, ego, constitution, character, complexion, dignity, sense of self-worth, general welfare, happiness, fame, status in society (social level), splendor, health, vitality, longevity, victory over enemies, strength or weakness, vigour, place of birth.

2ND HOUSE
Wealth, speech, family, domestic happiness (harmony), food, drink, jewels, precious gems, precious metals, movable property, ornaments, clothes, vision, quality of face, hair, mouth, teeth, tongue, jaw & voice; spoken & facial expression, cheerfulness, self-confidence, creative imagination, learning, education, educators, memory, fixity of mind, oral expression of knowledge, sources of income, maintenance of others.

3RD HOUSE
Deliberate actions, motivation, interests, hobbies, one's own efforts (initiative) and how well they are supported, sports, pleasures, assistance, servants, neighbors, short-term desires, short trips, short contacts, telephonic contacts, writing, correspondence, computer skills, strength, valor, courage, stamina, fine arts of music, dance and drama, actors, dancers, singers, directors, producers, manual skills, initiation into spiritual practices, death of parents, cause of own death.

4TH HOUSE
Mind (emotion), heart, happiness & contentment, confidence & belief, close friends, all family members (close relatives), mother, all well-wishers, home comforts, home country, landed property, houses, gardens, underground treasures, wells, graves, agricultural products, vehicles, horses, elephants, cows, buffaloes, goats and sheep, holy places, moral virtues, belief in and devotion to God, piety, righteous conduct, character, good name and reputation, education (ultimate results, degree etc), end of undertakings, conditions at close of life.

5TH HOUSE
Inclination of mind (intellect), creative Intelligence, knowledge, education (deep and wise learning and wisdom), knowledge of mantras, tantras and yantras, spiritual (meditation) techniques, talents, judgment, discretion, advice, merits from past life, devotion to gods and brahmins, deity of one's choice, virtues, ruling powers, royalty, authority, fall from position, literary works, amusements, enjoyment, recreation, sport, romance, children, disciples, wealth, prosperity.

6TH HOUSE
Worries, anxieties, obstacles, enemies (external and internal i.e. vices), thieves, challenges, tests, urge for perfection (self-improvement techniques), turning obstacles into opportunities, competitive power (ability to rise above competitors), difference of opinion, conflicts, litigation, borrowing, bank drafts, debts, diseases, suffering, wounds/ulcers, medical profession (care of the sick - nursing), daily job, service, colleagues, co-workers, subordinates, employees, hygiene, preparation of food, appetite, quadrupeds, pet animals, receiving charity.

7TH HOUSE
Husband, wife, partner, lover, marriage, partnership, sexual affairs, medium-term desires, business partner, co-operation, trade, commerce, travel, journeys, law courts, residence abroad, nature of spouse, relationship with all others, the world at large as seen by the native.

8TH HOUSE
Longevity, transformation, intuition, tantra, mysteries of life and death, past and future births (see Parashara) psychic abilities, cognition of universal consciousness, transcendence, siddhis, rebirth, discontinuation, separation, upheaval, calamity, change, chronic ailments, dangers, agonies, accidents, enemies, conflicts, being accused, battles, battle forts, mode of death, wealth of spouse, unearned wealth, inheritance, underground places, hidden treasures, overseas journeys.

9TH HOUSE
Dharma, The Vedas (vedic sciences), support of nature, merits from past lives (poorvapunya), fortunes, wisdom, meditation, remedies (medicine, yagya, tapas etc), life philosophy, world view, religion, faith, guru, worship, piety, morality, ethics, higher education, professional training, children, solution to problems, visits to shrines, pilgrimages, foreign travels, air travels.

10TH HOUSE
Activity, occupation, profession, career, reputation, prestige, success and status in society, honor from government, promotion, rank, renown, fame, ambition, happiness, authority, royalty, ruling power, sense of importance, dignity, living in foreign lands, commerce, trade, clothing.

11TH HOUSE
Income, gains, long-term desires, profits, all articles, prosperity, fulfillment of hopes and wishes, good news, auspicious events, elder siblings, circle of friends, associations, community, club life, society, opportunities, success in undertakings, quadrupeds; eleventh lord signifies difficulties and diseases.

12TH HOUSE
Expenses, losses, wastes, loss of relativity, gain of spirituality, moksha, renunciation, enlightenment, loss of attachment, loss of identification, intoxication, travel abroad (emigration), lonely places, donations, charity, journey to far off distant lands, confinement in prison, barracks, hospital or monastery, pleasures of the bed, spies, secret enemies, fall, sin.
http://jyotishvidya.com/bhavas.htm#body

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 12, 2010 11:44 PM         

1.Ruler of the First House in the Eighth House
You may have a lot of curiosity about the so-called mysteries of life such as occult practices and other metaphysical studies. You can develop your psychic abilities or perhaps you are more drawn to the healing potential found in the eighth house. You'll likely have an important experience that transforms your life approach in a major way. Whatever it is, you'll emerge more evolved at a very deep level of your being. Other people's resources, such as a spouse's money, or an inheritance, could play a significant role in your life somehow.

2.Ruler of the Second House in the Eighth House
Combining your own resources with the assets of other people will potentially strengthen your own financial picture. Consider indications that support the handling of other people's money as a way to increase your own income. Your approach to handling money and your personal value system are subject to running to extremes; perhaps even a complete overhaul at some point in life. You could go from rags to riches.

3.Ruler of the Third House in the Seventh House
Communication with your partner is important. A brother or sister may be like a best friend to you. You have the ability to influence other people in general with your ideas and you communicate best on a one-to-one basis.

4.Ruler of the Fourth House in the Sixth House
Your sense of security is connected to the work you perform and something about your upbringing influenced this. Homes or some specific domestic activity could have a bearing on the work you do. On the other hand, your home may represent a lot of duty and obligation in your eyes. If you ever considered catering or opening your own restaurant, this astrological influence supports those ideas well.

5.Ruler of the Fifth House in the Fourth House
Love and love affairs may be more fulfilling later in life. Investments and speculation may be successfully applied to real estate and property matters. Your children or children in general feel comfortable in your home. Your children may become like your "parents" later in life. Your creative ideas are often expressed in your home through decorating, cooking, etc. *Too soon to tell about the rest/but i'd never go into real estate*

6.Ruler of the Sixth House in the Third House
You learned something about the work ethic during your childhood. The work you do may involve communications, writing, transportation, or teaching what you know. You may end up working with relatives (*in the past) or you could have family "karma" with brothers/sisters or other close relatives.

7.Ruler of the Seventh House in the Fifth House
You will most likely marry for strong romantic feelings. Your partner may bring out the child in you or, he/she may stimulate your creativity somehow. They may also be supportive of your creative endeavors lending encouragement and support.
You have a close relationship with your children and you'd rather treat them as equals.

8. Ruler of the Eighth House in the Fifth House
Your dreams can manifest as creative abilities. A major transformation towards your approach to life can be stimulated by your children or children in general. You have intense feelings about love and you could have a deeply intimate bonding experience with a lover.

9.Ruler of the Ninth House in the Fifth House
It might be important for you to teach your children, or even children in general, your philosophies on life. You believe in the power of giving love. Travel, or some kind of participation in sports represents a form of recreation for you. Your personal beliefs are expressed through your creative abilities.

10.Ruler of the Tenth House in the Third House
An authority figure or perhaps your father had a strong influence on your thinking during your childhood. Your career could include working with relatives. It may also require many short distance trips and/or a good bit of commuting. You could either be a strong authority figure for a sibling or you may have a strong sense of responsibility towards him/her. (no siblings)

11.Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Seventh House
A friend or someone you meet through an organization dedicated to a common cause can become your marriage partner. You usually treat your friends and acquaintances on an equal level. Many of your hopes and wishes are tied into the close partnerships that you form.

12.Ruler of the Twelfth House in the Sixth House
Past lives have a strong influence on your family karma. You could experience confusion and doubt about the work you do or your family karma. You will have to work on forgiveness regarding this in order to elevate yourself. You can tap the powers of your subconscious mind to influence your health and well-being. Visualizing a healthy body as you drop off to sleep will work wonders on your immune system as well as your body's ability to heal itself. Excessive worry and concern over small details can work against you. Inner peace comes by doing your best and letting go of ideas of absolute perfection.

posted April 13, 2010 01:27 AM         

The Geocentric North Node of an asteroid could be about personal karmic connections/associations pertaining to the present life
The Geocentric South Node of an asteroid could be about personal karmic connections/associations pertaining to the past life
They return to their natal positions in about 1 year.

The Heliocentric Nodes of an asteroid could be about collective karmic connections
they move up to 1 degree per century

I checked only the conjunction,opposition,square,trine,sextile within 1 degree orb

I only looked at personal planets,points

Of course, I looked at aspects to the asteroids themselves but using only 1 degree

Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
conjunct Athor in 6'14 Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Apollo Nodes in 5'52 Taurus/Scorpio
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Imhotep Nodes in 5'26 Taurus/Scorpio
oppose Geocentric North Imhotep Node in 5'29 Taurus
conjunct Geocentric South Imhotep Node in 5'24 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Apollo Node in 5'37 Scorpio
trine/sextile Heliocentric Euterpe Nodes in 4'36 Cancer/Capricorn
square Heliocentric Erato Nodes in 5'36 Leo/Aquarius
square Geocentric North Euterpe Node in 5'24 Leo
(The Heliocentric and Geocentric Imhotep Nodes were in convergence,and Sun aligned with them)
(The Heliocentric Apollo Nodes and Geocentric South Apollo Node were in convergence,and Sun aligned with them)

Moon in 3'11 Pisces
conjunct Geocentric South Photographica Node in 3'00 Pisces
conjunct Geocentric South Hathor Node in 4'05 Pisces
trine Geocentric North Hathor Node in 4'06 Scorpio
square Kalliope in 3'10 Gemini R
square Heliocentric Hypnos Nodes in 3'52 Gemini
sextile Musa in 2'53 Capricorn
quincunx Photographica in 3'01 Libra
(Moon aspects both Photographica and its geocentric south node)
(Moon aspects both geocentric north and south nodes but trine and conjunction)

Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
conjunct/oppose Geocentric South Klio Node in 13'20 Virgo
trine/sextile Geocentric North Urania Node in 14'12 Capricorn
trine/sextile South Geocentric South Sappho Node in 12'32 Taurus
square Apollo in 13'10 Sagittarius

East Point/West Point in 8'00 Virgo
conjunct/oppose Musa in 7'34 Virgo

Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius
sextile Heliocentric Ptah Nodes in 11'02 Aries/Libra
sextile Geocentric North Mnemosyne Node in 11'17 Aries

Part of Fortune in 15'36 Taurus
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Nada Nodes 15'11 Taurus/Scorpio Nodes
oppose Ptah in 14'22 Scorpio
trine/sextile Geocentric North Polyhymnia Node in 15'33 Pisces
sextile Polyhymnia in 15'35 Cancer
(Polyhymnia aspect its geocentric north Polyhymnia node)

Vertex/Antivertex in 14'58 Aquarius/Leo
trine Geocentric South Polyhymnia Node in 14'14 Libra
trine Imhotep in 14'06 Libra
square Ptah in 14'22 Scorpio
square Heliocentric Nada Nodes in 15'11 Taurus/Scorpio Nodes
sextile Geocentric North Ganesa Node in 15'22 Sagittarius

Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio
conjunct Athene in 18'40 Scorpio
trine North Geocentric Minerva Node in 18'58 Pisces
square Terpsichore in 17'57 Leo
sextile South Geocentric Erato Node in 17'41 Capricorn
(Mercury in aspect to both Athene and the north geocentric node of its Roman counterpart,Minerva seems like a significant theme)

Venus in 21'47 Scorpio
trine Mnemosyne in 21'37 Pisces R
trine Klio in 22'20 Cancer
square Brage in 21'56 Leo

nodes can be calculated here: http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 13, 2010 11:02 AM         

Glaucus

Vedic for me is a bit unknown,i guess it is complicaded when we are used to use the Wetern one.Which one fo you feel more accurate to you?

Evanski

Just think about what fascinates you in terms of countries,filopsophies,Ancient Times and choose the asteroids that goes with it.

you can see it here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/001259.html

i looked at Harmonics but really dont know how to analyse it..they dont use houses there ,do they?

Harmonic 7th: TALENT?

stellium in 1st with: Tyche is cj Moon.
Moon is cj Pluto.
Pluto is cj Sun ..all Aries.

Pluto/sun opse mars.

AC is cj NN/PF in Scorpio.in8th=~?

MC cj Venus Aqua
Uranus cj Saapphro in Cap.

5th Harmonic:SKILLS?

PF exact cj NN in Taurus 2nd?
MC/Jup/Urans in Leo 5th
Merc/Sapro/ASC/Libra 7h
Tyche cj Kiron in Aqua and Pluto there too

GRAND TRINE of Venus Aries/MoonSag/UranusLeo!

10th Harmonic:CAREER?

Sapphro/venus/AC in Libra

PF/NN cj in Cancer cj Minerva

Sun Leo opose Saturn

Nept cj Apollo in Leo

Moon Virgo trine Uranus

Scpro Mars cj Atenas opose Venus

MC cj Pallas in Sag

Tyche cj JUP cj Kiron in SAG