posted April 18, 2010 02:39 PM         

Thanks Crazy Aqua ,too.
I guess the Ascendent is very crucial in determining the nature of the person.

posted April 18, 2010 04:26 PM         

@ Ami Ann....

I will try its kinda hard to put into words,first I will give you my run down of planets so maybe it may make sense.

Asc= Aries
Sun = Leo
Moon = Leo
Venus = Cancer
Mars = Leo
Saturn = Gem
Uranus/Pluto = Libra
Neptune/ Jupiter = Sag

Well since my Sun and Moon are Conj my Ego and my emotions (wants/needs) agree...

I truly wear my heart on my sleeve, I am extremely sensitive especially when it comes to pride,rejection,security, love.

I either fully care about something/someone or I don't care at all. I get totally engulfed into it. I have a tendency to loose my self, which I am now trying to understand and control.

I feel hurt/pain when I see people/animals going through bad things. I carry their pain with me.
Like AriesCancer I have a hard time watching sad shows.. I even cried watching animal planet.... LOLOLOLOL..

With me with EVERYTHING its all or nothing. I dont even like having acquaintances, as I feel its a waste of time. Either a person is a true friend or not a friend at all.
I do say Hi and good morning to people at the office, but I get annoyed when people ask me "what did you do over the weekend" You know small talk.... I feel its none of your business why are you trying to get into my business.. Only I answer not much same o same o.... Something like that...

When I do get hurt, my fire comes OUT and you will see attitude from me. Kinda Like screw you, I dont need you anyways... Or I will be cold and /or aloof. I will act as if it doesnt matter. I never say/show my hurt.

posted April 18, 2010 05:45 PM         

Anyway, like ariescancer I have an ascendant in water but no planets. I don't lack feeling or empathy. I don't come across as cold and unemotional. I feel plenty. The way I would put it is that the emotional side of life is not something I have found difficult. Now fire, I only have 2 planets in that element, and here I will say I have more of a problem. They are carrying a lot of weight and they aren't well placed (I won't bore you with the details). I really have to work hard on the lesson of fire. Similarly, his Pluto is making a lot of effort on it's own.

What is his Moon doing? Charts need to be looked at as a whole. Someone with a water void but a Moon/Neptune contact might be a very emotional and empathetic person. Moon/Pluto is likely to be not obviously feeling at all but there will be plenty going on under the surface. Moon/Saturn is controlled, not necessarily unfeeling at all. Moon/Saturn people I know are very caring, very loving, it is just all kept wrapped up tight. In astrology we need to dig deep and look beyond the obvious, or else why bother? If we only go for the most obvious, the most basic, we are not going on a journey of any spiritual depth.

p.s

posted April 18, 2010 06:12 PM         

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"Is the Ascendent strong enough to do that? I am surprised cuz I thought the Ascendant was not as strong as the planets."
Isn't the chart ruler based on the Ascendent though? And when I was looking on a website to find out which mattered most to see how strong each element was in my chart, they gave a number system and sun, moon, and asc counted as 4. I don't know I always heard Asc was one of the important ones.

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True,
the Asc is part of the "Big 3"

posted April 18, 2010 06:42 PM         

Everyone has feelings and is sensitive, only how we show it can feel it can be different.

I have Venus Sq Pluto so I feelings are intense.
Also my moon trine my Neptune and sextile Pluto.

I think as a fire person I prefer to shield my feelings more. except anger,frustration.. blah blah... that I have no problem expressing...

posted April 18, 2010 07:08 PM         

Though I am highly Uranian but it's Retrograde.

posted April 18, 2010 08:52 PM         

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Unfortunately I have read element voids described in the most basic terms on LL, as in water void = lacking empathy and feeling. It is quite insulting. When these descriptions are wafted out and don't match in anyway anything that have ever been said to the void person in real life - what does that say about the quality of the interpretation?

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I roll my eyes when people think like that in astrology. In someone new to astrology I might tolerate it, but anyone else gets a bitchface.

posted April 18, 2010 09:12 PM         

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I roll my eyes when people think like that in astrology. In someone new to astrology I might tolerate it, but anyone else gets a bitchface.

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LOL

posted April 18, 2010 09:28 PM         

Lioness

Moon in 15'09 Leo is no way near trining your
Neptune in 2'29 Sagittarius nor sextiling your Pluto in 015 Libra

you don't have those aspects

even the wide orbed astrologers' standards (like Liz Greene) of 10 degrees, the orb is still too wide

most astrologers will use a maximum orb of 8 degrees for most major aspects and give an orb of around 6 for a sextile.

I use an orb of 5 degrees,and that's because I consider other things in the chart.

I use no more than a 3 degree orb for Pluto because I consider Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets, dwarf planet candidates. I use no more than 3 degree orb for them too.

I also pointed out in the other thread that your Makemake conjuncts your Sun,Moon,and Mercury. Makemake being a transneptunian dwarf planet like Pluto, it can indicate an ultrasensitivity.

With Makemake conjunction to the Moon, it can indicate being highly emotional type due an evolutionary intensified emotional nature. The orb is only 46 minutes,and so it's a major life theme.

Also your son has Moon conjunct Makemake like you,but his is over 1 degree but less than 1 1/2 degree. He also has Moon square Geocentric North Makemake Node , and so the emotionals are connected to collective energy of Makemake.

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posted April 18, 2010 09:48 PM         

Exactly. She said that he has Moon square Neptune with 0.

I already pointed out that Moon-Neptune aspect can indicate a highly emotional,extremely sensitive nature.
I have the same aspect, and my Moon is in Pisces.

" Moon/Pluto is likely to be not obviously feeling at all but there will be plenty going on under the surface."

That also can be said for Moon in aspecting to Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets, transneptunian dwarf planet candidates

My Moon trines Ixion-Quaoar conjunction,square Varuna,and sextile Sedna.
Those are all transeptunian dwarf planet candidates.
Moon trine Quaoar is less than 1 degree,and so it's a major life theme.

Moon in aspect to the big transneptunian objects (including Pluto) can indicate evolutionary intensified emotional nature.
The emotions would be highly attuned to the subtleties of life as the big transneptunian objects are very subtle, with their orbits beyond Neptune. This goes especially for Sedna which has the greatest average distance of all objects by far.

The hard aspects involve these objects can be a bit overwhelming.

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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement