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lionseye***
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posted April 18, 2010 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lionseye***     Edit/Delete Message
Hello. Sagittarius folks. I know depression is so foreigne to you. But being a human being, and being subjected to the same forces as all humans are, you may be at times in the throws of hormonal or chemical imbalances that may render you clinically depressed. We are the last people on earth (I'm Sag rising) who want to be depressed. It's just not a natural state of mind for us. We don't like how it feels, we don't care to talk negative or whine to other people. Honesty, I just prefer to ignor it personally. And thusly it goes away. And then when I lay my head down on the pillow at night, thought start racing through my head and powerful feelings that make me cry. And I can't seem to sort it out because I think it's silly and wouldn't want to burdon any other person with them. I am just not like that. I'm not a downer person. I'm an optimistic supportive positive person, on all accounts. I can't ever be a downer person. It's totally against my principals. Anyway things always work themselves out so my worries are usually temporary anyway. I want to hear from other Jupiter Sagittarius types. Do you hide your sadness and or depression? Do you tend to suffer in silence? Are you doing that right now? Let's talk.

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Spanky Butler
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posted April 18, 2010 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Hello lionseye.

I'm a Sag Moon of all things & I tend to play the pretend game with pretty much the same results, disturbed sleep etc.

The feelings will usually build silently until you wake up one day & wonder WTF has made you so sad. Depression is not an easy thing for Sag's to admit too.

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lionseye***
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posted April 18, 2010 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lionseye***     Edit/Delete Message
Indeed, Spanky. Indeed. It's like we don't allow ourselves to utter a single negative thought, for fear that it will make it true. And then we panic when alone.

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lionseye***
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posted April 18, 2010 04:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lionseye***     Edit/Delete Message
Not only that, but I feel like it's my DUTY to spread optimism. And aleviate the doubts I hear from others.

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Spanky Butler
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posted April 18, 2010 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
YEP

I think as we get older it becomes harder to ignore. Usually after a big crash.

I am learning to be more gentle & accepting of myself these days. It's not an easy thing to do.

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Ami Ann
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posted April 18, 2010 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Water signs do depression well

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belgz
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posted April 18, 2010 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Deleted.

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oneruledbymars
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posted April 18, 2010 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Belgz, I think you were meant to experience it fully and where it own your sleeves, persay, because it is through your emotions that we experience our own as detachment can have its negatives as well...

Lioneye, I am a Sag Moon with a complicated twist...It is conjunct Neptune by one degree, and it is trined by my Sun.

I have never in my entire life been depressed until I lost my closest soulmate/lover Energy wise to this date. In order to love myself as much as I thought I loved him I had to learn who I was as the observed and not the observor and that that takes a lift in consciousness...for everything I did I had to forgive myself and I had to be honest with myself and with the people I love. For me that took learning to correct bad habits that I am not proud of in order to honestly learn to be close to someone..
Self realization, self actualization, social intergration....it is all those things in one..... transformation is.


Anywho when I finally did crash and burn I did transform...I became a different person for a while, I just slept on close friends couch and for about four weeks just had a breakdown my first ever...I guess I was depressed but I didnt hide it from people...So I guess I am saying no I would never suffer in silence thats no fun..I have learned to love myself and the people that I have attracted love me as a result and if I was to suffer depression in silence without talking to one of them they would be hurt, and so would I if they did the same to me, we are really close like brothers and sisters all 8 of us.
Its pretty cool.

But thats how my Sag Moon works for me..

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soulful122
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posted April 18, 2010 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulful122     Edit/Delete Message
Sun, Merc, Saturn, and Uranus in Sag

When I'm sad I become more quiet. It's true, I don't want people to know but then again I don't mind either. Usually my family & friends can tell when I am and if they ask me about it I'm not gonna hide it from them. I sleep better when I'm happy, but when I'm stressed or upset/sad... I tend to have nightmares.

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oneruledbymars
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posted April 18, 2010 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
That's funny soulful...I will have nightmares to! I had them all the time growing up.

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Glaucus
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posted April 18, 2010 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Jupiter conjunct Imum Coeli in Sagittarius, but it's oppose Saturn.
I also have Moon square Jupiter in Right Ascension

Depression runs strong in my family.

I first developed anxiety issues in early childhood because of insecurity,low self esteem. I started getting depressed in my teenage years because of abuse at home,trouble at school - difficulty with classes and people picking on me and spreading rumors about me. Depression became a really big problem in the navy. It was a very stressful environment,and I felt totally stupid and incompetent which many co-workers thought I was. I have a history of suicidal thoughts,feelings. My mother also has a history of anxiety and depression,and she had suicide attempts. She takes an SSRI. My maternal grandfather committed suicide. My aunt Dominga is on medication for depression too.


I am not a person that views depression as a weakness. I know that a lot of people that suffer from Depression get looked down upon.

Depression and Anxiety tend to come hand in hand. SSRI's have been used to treat both depression and anxiety. Even medications like Effexor. I have been prescribed them,and so I know from experience.

The herb,St John's Wort is said to be used for both depression and anxiety.


Depression can stem from many things like insecurity/low self esteem, stress, extreme sensitivity to environment leading to high cortisol (stress hormone) levels leading to depletion of serotonin, vestibular disorders, and brain degenerative diseases like Huntington's. Health problems like Lupus are other factors. Hormonal imbalances/drops in testosterone can also lead to depression. Testosterone used to be used as antidepressants for males. Males with high estrogen levels/lower than average testosterone levels are very likely to be more depressed Allergies can cause depression. Antihistamines were used as antidepressants.

Depression is common in people with neurodivergent conditions. Learning problems and ADHD can be mistaken for depression in regards to forgetfulness,problems with concentration. Depression and other psychological problems can mimic learning disabilities and ADHD. That's why Mental Health screening is a regular part of a learning disability assessment and ADHD assessment.


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Happy Dragon
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posted April 18, 2010 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
posting link for ~ newbies ~ who may read this thread ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/psych.dprsn.html ~

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ariescancer
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posted April 18, 2010 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ariescancer     Edit/Delete Message
Moon in Sag, I cry a lot, but at the same time I am a very optimistic person, I do get depress but I try to hide it, like to work in my garden that makes me feel better. I don't like to complain, I allways tell myself it will get better and eventually it does

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la_sexorcisto
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posted April 18, 2010 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for la_sexorcisto     Edit/Delete Message
Ariescancer..I relate to what you said. I cry a lot, too but I always try to hide when I feel bad.I'm a Sag moon, mercury, and heavily Jupiter influenced...

I have suffered from depression for many years, but I think I am one of the most optimistic depressed people I know..when I feel down I always remind myself that I will rise back up and things can only improve.

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changchiu
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posted April 18, 2010 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for changchiu     Edit/Delete Message
Actually ;
Sag have mutual effects..Positive and negative feelings,But Saggies tend to look and find the positive sign,but mutuality sometimes tend to them sometimes confusing about life.They cry,but 2 min later they laugh..But they always have chance and luck when they are in depression and change it to advanture and fun also
Here is Saggy ASC..Mars,Neptune in Saggy
And as Ami Ann said water sun,Scorpio

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soulful122
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posted April 18, 2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulful122     Edit/Delete Message
I dunno if this is a Sag thing or not, but every time I get hurt (stub my toe or run into something), I start laughing and crying at the same time. LOL, my brothers think I'm nuts.

I agree with you guys on the optimism. No matter how down I get I'm always optimistic. Sometimes blindly so but, it makes me feel better so it's all good to me.

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enchantress299
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posted April 18, 2010 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not a Sag Sun, Moon, or Asc, but I DO have heavy Sadge influences with Jupter, Uranus, and Neptune in Sagittarus in the 1st house. My Jupiter and Uranus also oppose Chiron, and square my Sun/MC/Venus conjunction in Virgo. So I'd say that Sagittarius figures pretty heavily into my personality...

As such, for YEARS I refused to let ANYONE see me cry or hurt. Not my best friends, not my family, nobody. I don't think I was ever clinically depressed, but I didn't want to feel like I was burdening others with the pain I did have. I always felt like I had to be focused on everyone else and I wanted to be strong and/or happy-go-lucky for them.

From certain life lessons and some really awesome friends, in recent years I've learned that it's ok to show sadness and pain, but it took me a long time to do that.

Interestingly, I've recently been really mopey (lots of life events triggering built up stuff in me right now) and I've been really sensitive to small things. I've actually had OVERREACTIONS to what is going on, which to me feels like a release of all of the pent up emotions that I've had for years. Furthermore, I'm more able to pinpoint what inside me has actually been causing me pain.

I have learned how to mask my problems with a smile or a joke and now I'm having to deal with them full force. Generally speaking, my motto is: "Why focus on the negative?" but sometimes you do have to focus on the negative to release it or look at it differently and then move forward.

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BeholdAstarte
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posted April 18, 2010 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message
jimi hendrix had depression problems. i knew a friend that had an extreme depression probablem and was a sag and i guess took it out on herion and OD.

jim morrison i think is a good example of hiding his emotions

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lalalinda
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posted April 18, 2010 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Jupiter/Ascendant Sag

Lioneye,
excellent description

I don't do "depressed" well either
it's a last resort, like when I'm over my head.
The worst has been while detoxing, which says something about the Saggie state of mind.
It takes a chemical imbalance to get there.

A Positive attitude is essential to my well being.
Besides, when you court or expect the positive, you usually get it.

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Alvarella777
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posted April 18, 2010 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Alvarella777     Edit/Delete Message
I can totally relate to the topic of this thread - and I can subscribe to what SPANKY BUTLER has written:

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I am learning to be more gentle & accepting of myself these days. It's not an easy thing to do.

The SAGITTARIAN input on my chart is a tricky one: I've got my MOON in Sag - loacted very prominently in my 1st house. Moon gains special importance for me, since my Sun is in Cancer - with Moon as its ruler. But there are some stressful moments between my Sag-Moon in 1st and my Cancer-Sun in my 8th: they are linked via a quincunx - so they're not always getting along with each other in a smooth way. That is: Whenever my optimistic, boastful Sagg-Moon is aspected nicely by transiting plantes, my more cautious Cancer-Sun feels stressed - and vice versa. ***edit: Actually, the quincunx is a tight one - both, Moon and Sun are at 23° (Sag/Cancer)***

Maybe this quincunx from my Sag-Moon to my Sun indicates a certain tendency to NEGLECT my very core, very basic (Sun sign-)needs - also implying, that I don't want to accept any "depressive" tendencies, I rather laugh and joke them away ... Only as I grow older I slowly recognize: It's not always for my own good! In fact, I despise weepy-ness and clingy-ness ... But sometimes I may treat myself just a bit too harsh ... Hm.

More Sagittarian influence in chart: Jupiter in 11th - squaring my Sun, Mercury and Mars - again, rather a rough and energizing contesllation than a smooth and tender one...

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Ami Ann
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posted April 18, 2010 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
HOW would a non Sag help a Sag with depression?

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Spanky Butler
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posted April 18, 2010 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ami

In response to you're question....

That's a hard one. I think it depends on where your Saggie is at inside their own head.

I'd say just watch their phases of either looking at the truth with clear eyes/ or of course there's happy land, where we tend to journey far & wide.

The whole thing boils down to whether or not they trust you. If they know you to be honest in your opinions your words will carry more weight & they just might listen.

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posted April 18, 2010 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
I am a Sag with a lot of it influencing the rest of my chart- Jup in the first house, Venus, Uranus, Saturn in Sag in the 9th. Last year I came out of a 3 year period in which I was very depressed. But at the time, I would not have said "I'm depressed." I think this might be fairly typical for a lot of people though...it was only towards the end that I started to feel like something could be different and I wanted it to be. It wasn't so much that I was focusing on explicitly negative things, it was more that I felt dead and uninspired. I couldn't understand what the point of living was, everything just seemed to stay the same, unmoving...I would wake up and lie in bed staring at my furniture and something about the way objects seemed so finite and stagnant would just utterly depress me. If anyone has ever read Satre's "Nausea"... a lot of the stuff he talks about in there really made sense to me at the time.
For Ami- I think Sag depression has the propensity to get pretty bad because its one of the impersonal signs, like Cap, Aqua, and Pisces too. I think to these signs everything seems bigger than the individual. It becomes not about you, but about all of humanity, the whole world and in many cases I find there is a refusal to look at yourself. Paradoxically, I think for a lot of Sag's depression is often about feeling isolated in yourself and disconnected from humanity. This is an uninspiring and bleak place for Sags. I think that's why Sag's find solace in philosophy and spiritual teachings. Maybe you could suggest this to your Sag friend? To be honest, from my experience, and I attribute this strongly to my Sag influence (although other things probably echo it), no amount of "talking about things," or confiding in friends never really helped me. It just frustrated me and made me feel like I was digging a hole deeper and deeper into my own isolated world. Of course, if you are a person that is inspiring to a Sag and know that you have access to ideas that will help them get out of themselves and experience some kind of assimilation, movement, and potential with big, broad things beyond themselves this is great- music, philosophy and spiritual teachings, meditation, altruism. Ultimately, the only thing that finally got me out of my depressed state was an experience that dramatically got me out of myself and after that my depression was instantly cured and I haven't looked back since.

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Spanky Butler
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posted April 18, 2010 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
starborgi


It's hard to live in stagnation with no hope insight of breakthrough or change.

I totally agree with your statement about Sag's finding comfort in philosophy.

Truth without hope makes one slowly die inside.

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lionseye***
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posted April 20, 2010 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lionseye***     Edit/Delete Message
I agree, it's about stagnation. But who's fault is that? Can we never be settled because we always need the rug pulled from umder us or we need to do that to others? How can we ever be stable people if we always need change and perhaps even chaos?

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