posted April 18, 2010 05:48 PM            

Vesta,
"ven/Asc midpoint square my sun. "
his Ven/ Desc conjunct my sun "
Well, it seems that you always list the ASC-DESC axis as ASC, as every midpoint will simultaneously hit both points.
So his Venus/ASC=your Sun

"His ven / Jupiter mid conjunct my Asc."

"his sun/moon midpoint trine my NN"
Soft aspects are not being considered. Only conjunction, opposition and square (and some consider semisquare and sesisquare, but I haven`t found them to be all that strong yet).

" are good enough for now don't want to hijack your thread."
You don`t hijack. That is exactly what I want the thread to be. An open discussion about midpoint synastry, so we can all learn to get a handle on them.

posted April 18, 2010 05:59 PM            

quote:

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for the empty areas - did you check for opposition and square, too?

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And, now I get how hard it was for you to get your 5 lists together (!) That must have taken @ least an hr.

posted April 18, 2010 06:03 PM            

quote:

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Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie

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posted April 18, 2010 06:07 PM            

quote:

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No. Conjunction, opposition and square within 1,5 degrees.

I considered leaving out the square (conjunction and opposition is actually the same, as there always exist two midpoints in a circle), but checking my natal, the squares were DEFINITELY valid.

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Ahhh, I'm confused, sorry.

Example,
If someone has Sun/Moon mp @ 13 deg Cancer,
could you use another's Sun @ 13 Capricorn and say:
Sun=Sun/Moon
?

posted April 18, 2010 06:22 PM            

his ven/pluto = my MC
Because it is opposition right?

or even

George sun / Moon opp my moon

posted April 19, 2010 06:49 AM            

Here's a fairly long and interactive one

my sun is 6'24 taurus.
my mercury is 8'23 taurus.
his mercury is 7'12 taurus.
his sun is 7'02 taurus.
aspects all of the below:

my venus/mars MP = 6'52 taurus.
my sun/mercury MP = 7'25 taurus.
my moon/mars MP = 8'26 taurus
my neptune/NN MP = 6'45 aquarius
my saturn/neptune MP = 6' 52 taurus.
my venus/neptune MP = 8'44 aquarius.

his sun/jupiter MP= 5'23 taurus.
his mercury/jupiter MP = 5'25 taurus.
his venus/MC MP = 6'50 taurus.
his sun/mercury MP = 7'10 taurus.

posted April 19, 2010 07:49 AM            

usually midpoint astrologer allow an orb of 1-1,5 for midpoints. Don Mc Broom uses a 2 degree orb.

I prefer the 1,5 degrees, but 2 degrees could be still valid, just a 2 degrees midpoint will be weaker than an exact one.
If an orb of 00°00 to 00°12 would have the strength of 100% an orb of approximately 1°40 would only have 20% strength.

So I think I will limit myself to 1,5 degrees, and maybe put the 2 degree orbs into brackets.

Lonake,
"The empty areas have ptolemic (sp?) aspects"

no soft aspects are being considered (so no sextile, trine, semisextile or even quinkunx), mp-astrology only considers conjunction, opposition, square, semisquare and sesiquare. Personally I only consider conjunction, opposition and square.

"And there is a strong friendship element here, but not through work."
I will look further into this, if I have a bit more time today (I am still hopping between cleaning up, making dinner, waiting for the technican to control the heating and correcting classtests).

"And, now I get how hard it was for you to get your 5 lists together (!) That must have taken @ least an hr."
Yes. Actually I did it manually first and then put it onto the computer here.

"P.S. Still wondering about your "wild card" synastry "
Ah you did not forget about it?
Later. I promise. It`s nothing big, but a funny thing. Very surprising to find these aspects in there.

"Example,
If someone has Sun/Moon mp @ 13 deg Cancer,
could you use another's Sun @ 13 Capricorn and say:
Sun=Sun/Moon"
Yes.

Vesta,

"So if Johnny Pluto/ Ven were conjunct my Ic then I would read it as
his ven/pluto = my MC
Because it is opposition right?"
Right.

posted April 19, 2010 09:52 AM            

are these really ALL conjunctions, oppositions, squares to the midpoints?

"Her SUN =
his Mars/Saturn

Her MOON =
his Sun/Mercury
his Moon/Mercury
his Mercury/Venus

Her MERCURY =
his Sun/Venus
his Sun/Mc
his Moon/Venus
his Moon/Mc
his Mercury/Mars
his Venus/Mc

Her VENUS =
his Sun/Mercury
his Moon/Mercury
his Mercury/Venus
his Mercury/Mc

Her MARS =
his Uranus/Neptune
his Neptune/Pluto

(Her NN = no conj to his Mp's)

Her ASC =
his Jupiter/Uranus
his Jupiter/Pluto

Her MC =
his Mars/Jupiter
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His SUN =
her Moon/Mercury
her Mercury/Venus
her Jupiter/Mc

His MOON =
her Sun/Neptune

His Mercury =
her Sun/Uranus

(His Venus, Mars, NN = no conj to her Mp's)

His ASC =
her NN/Mc

His MC =
Her Moon/Mercury
her Jupiter/Mc"

posted April 19, 2010 11:40 AM            

Lets say I have my mars/ venus midpoint conjunct someones name in my chart do you think I would feel something towards someone with that name?

Example:

posted April 19, 2010 11:58 AM            

On first glance there seems to be an awful lot of MERCURY.
And the romantic midpoints are all triggered by her MERCURY; too.
That looks decidedly "un-romantic" in a conventional sense; that is the reason I asked if this is a friendship. There seems to be a real mental and friendship-spark though.
Maybe if her or his Mercury ruled 5th or 7th house, this could bring a bit romance into it.

"Her SUN =
his Mars/Saturn "
On the postive side she can help him bring more structure into his life, becoming a more mature (Saturn) man (Mars); through her he could also find a lot of energy in himself (Mars) that he can use for working patiently for a goal (SAturn).
On the other hand maybe he feels restricted or "monitored" (SAturn) in his masculinity (Mars), which could have a dampening (Saturn) effect on any kind of sexual interest / desire (Mars) that might be there.
He could feel inhibited, blocked and frustrated by a certain "stop and go" quality that she triggers in him. it depends on which planet is stronger, if he explodes with anger due to the frustrations (Mars) or just gets cold and dispassionate (Saturn).
At the beginning ther emay actually be a strong sexual interest (focus: Saturn sex: Mars), but probably it will grow moderate over time. If there are other promising constellations, he might strive for a lasting relationship though, putting much effort and energy (Mars) into it to make it work (Saturn), even though it does not look very joyful and affectionate.
Since this is the only midpoint her Sun activates in him, I`d say that her Self is probably not "electrifying" him.

"Her MOON =
his Sun/Mercury
his Moon/Mercury
his Mercury/Venus"
Ah, look, all these Mercury-connections!
On an emotional level (Her emotional core triggers the midpoints in him) he might find this relationship to be a mentally stimulating friendship.
He is propelled to communicate and exchange ideas about himself (Sun/Mercury). He also probably finds it rather easy to talk about his feeling, be they more emotional (Moon) or romantic (Venus). Mercury/Venus is also a "flirt"aspect; he would like to talk with her and find a certain lightness in it.

"Her MERCURY =
his Sun/Venus
his Sun/Mc
his Moon/Venus
his Moon/Mc
his Mercury/Mars
his Venus/Mc"
He loves her mind!
Whenever they talk and whenever she displays Mercurial qualities, he feels deep affection (Moon/Venus) and loving appreciation (Sun/Venus) for her. Three positive combinations with MC could also mean that through talking with her he will understand his own goals in life better, or she might actually be positive for his public image / social connections / career.

"Her VENUS =
his Sun/Mercury
his Moon/Mercury
his Mercury/Venus
his Mercury/Mc"
Mercruy again. Her romantic side and the way she displays her feminity stimulates him mentally. He likes to be playful and flirtative with her (Mercury/Venus), maybe is inspired to write beautiful letters or similiar things. And he strives for an emotional fulfilling and lively communication (Moon/Mercury, Sun/MErcury). And again maybe she helps him understanding his place in life better (Mercury/MC).

"Her MARS =
his Uranus/Neptune
his Neptune/Pluto"
Her energy triggers Neptunian constellations in him. Maybe she "pushes" him into otherworldy realms; and maybe through her he gets in contact with the spiritual world, which might either stimulate and inspire him or confuse and frighten him. Maybe both to a certain degree.

"Her NN = no conj to his Mp's)"
Seems her lifepath doesnīt influence him that much. Maybe they donīt have a common spiritual way?

"Her ASC =
his Jupiter/Uranus
his Jupiter/Pluto"
Her physical being stimulates rather strong philosophical feelings in him. Hmm, through her he could become famous (Uranus) and successful (Pluto). lol
But it is true Jupiter/Uranus and Uranus/MC relate to fame/celebritystatus/public recognition and Jupiter/Pluto relates to great wealth and success. maybe he could make a great career through her.

"Her MC =
his Mars/Jupiter"
He is enthusiastic about her public image / career. Maybe he can support her (Jupiter) energetically (Mars), when it comes to these things.

posted April 19, 2010 12:10 PM            

With so many empty areas I`d think that he has not that much of an effect on her, or at least not his total personality.
She might react (like/dislike) certain parts of him, and might not even see other parts.
With Venus and Mars un-midpointed the romatnic / sexual area seems to be "off-balance". Or at least she doesn`t react strongly to his more relationship-oriented planets.

Neither have midpoints to the other`s nodal axis. That seems to imply that even though they may have a relationship with each other, they may not have the same path or contribute much to each other`s path. I guess these would be the relationships, where people like each other, love each other, and yet somehow everyone walks to their own tune.

"is SUN =
her Moon/Mercury
her Mercury/Venus
her Jupiter/Mc"
And again there is Mercury. A loving affectionate, romantic friendship is possible I think, especially with the DW`s of Moon/Mercury and Mercury/Venus (even though different planets activate these combinations).
Jupiter/MC could enhance her social status, or he might inspire her to follow her dreams concerning her career.

"His MOON =
her Sun/Neptune"
On the emotional level there may be much romantisicsm, idealism and compassion evoked in her. But maybe she doesn`t see him really clearly or sees something in him (his emotional Self), that is not there, and thus may get disillusioned over time. On the other hand there could also be a very spiritual connection.

"His Mercury =
her Sun/Uranus"
Mentally he "shocks" her; and there seems to be a very lively, electric, stimulating intellectual exchange. Maybe it could also be her that shocks him, with her unconventional views.

"His ASC =
her NN/Mc"
Does he make her see through his physical being w hat she really wants in life?

"His MC =
Her Moon/Mercury
her Jupiter/Mc""
In a career/ social context she seems to experience him in pretty positive ways. Emotional communication / understanding and enhancing of her own goals in life is possible.

posted April 20, 2010 12:45 AM            

quote:

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are these really ALL conjunctions, oppositions, squares to the midpoints?

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quote:

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Since this is the only midpoint her Sun activates in him, I`d say that her Self is probably not "electrifying" him.

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With all the Mercury mentioned over and over (I know you're sick of it ) it's true, the friendship and mental compatibility is strongly highlighted. I see how you interpret these now, because you use the one part of the mp that's activated in the list the most for each of the other's planets, and somewhat base the interp off of that. DD, I'm learning so much here!

quote:

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With so many empty areas I`d think that he has not that much of an effect on her, or at least not his total personality.

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posted April 20, 2010 12:45 AM            

quote:

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With Venus and Mars un-midpointed the romatnic / sexual area seems to be "off-balance".

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quote:

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I guess these would be the relationships, where people like each other, love each other, and yet somehow everyone walks to their own tune.

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quote:

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On the other hand there could also be a very spiritual connection.

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quote:

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Does he make her see through his physical being w hat she really wants in life?

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Thanks so much DD! I see A LOT more clearly how this works~ How long have you been looking @ mp's in synastry I wonder>?

And I still have to backtrack on figuring more out on the mp synastry quiz. I don't know if you read my reply there or not, but I tried something different with trying to guess who's who.

posted April 20, 2010 09:29 AM            

" they're just the conjunctions as I put the list together before I knew you could count sq and opps too, they're only the conj of one's natal to the other's mp's."
Even though conjunction and oppositions (which really is a conjunction itself as it also relates directly to the midpoint) may be the most significant aspects, I would consider squares, too. AND I think only picking a few will distort the picture. Thus it does not really make sense to only consider the Venus-Mars-mp for example, and ignoring t hat at the same time maybe SAturn-Uranus or Saturn-Neptune is being triggered. ONly all midpoints will give an appropriate idea of a certain interaction.
Conjunction and opposition may hold a bit more weight, but honestly, some of the most intense and accurate natal midpoints of mine are made by square!

"I see how you interpret these now, because you use the one part of the mp that's activated in the list the most for each of the other's planets, and somewhat base the interp off of that."
Yes, I am looking at the two planets that make the midpoint and base my interpretation on this one, but I also try to "stuff" it all together to get an overview, and it is definitely important if many midpoints with Uranus are triggered or with Venus or with Saturn etc.

posted April 20, 2010 09:33 AM            

"How long have you been looking @ mp's in synastry I wonder>?"
Since last weekend.

Well, it is not entirely true; I have been looking now and then over the last years, but it is just since this weekend that I tried to formulate coherent interpretations based on midpoints.

posted April 20, 2010 10:22 AM            

do you want to try it, too?

MY perspective

HIS SUN=
my Mars/BML
my Saturn (square)
my BML/ASC
my Uranus/MC

HIS MOON=
my Mars/Uranus
my Uranus/ASc
my Venus/MC
my Uranus/Neptune
my Uranus/NN

HIS MERCURY=
my Venus (square)
my Jupiter/Uranus
my Sun/Saturn
my Pluto/MC
my Pluto (opposition)

HIS VENUS=
my Moon/Saturn
my Venus/BML
my Mercury/Jupiter
my Sun/Jupiter
my Mars/MC
my ASC/MC

HIS MARS=
my Pluto/BML
my Venus/Mars
my Venus/ASC

HIS NODE=
my Mercury/MC
my Sun/MC
my MErcury / Pluto
my Moon (opposition)
my Sun/Pluto
my Mars/Uranus
my Uranus/ASC

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his perspective

MY SUN=
his Sun/Jupiter
his Venus/Node
his Saturn/Neptune
his Sun/Pluto

MY MERCURY=
his Sun/Jupiter
his Venus/Node
his Saturn/Neptune

MY MOON=
his NN (opposition)
his Moon/Neptune
his Saturn/Uranus

MY VENUS=
his Uranus/Neptune
his Sun/BML
his Venus/Pluto
his Mercury (square)
his Jupiter/Neptune

MY MC=
his Venus/Jupiter
his Sun/Mars
his Uranus/Neptune
his Sun / BML
his Venus/Pluto

MY MARS=
his Mars/NN
his NN/BML
his Jupiter/Pluto

my ASC=
his Jpuiter/Pluto
his Pluto (square)
his Mars/Uranus
his MErcury/SAturn

my NODE=
his Pluto (square)
his Mars/Uranus
his Mercury/Saturn
his Uranus/BML
his Mars/Jupiter
his Mercury/Node

Orb was 2 degrees.

posted April 20, 2010 12:48 PM            

MY ASC = his

venus/jupiter
mercury/jupiter
moon/saturn
ASC/NN

MY SUN = his

saturn/neptune
uranus/neptune
venus/ASC
mercury/ASC
sun/NN

MY NN = his

saturn/pluto
jupiter/NN
mars/uranus
uranus/pluto

MY venus = his

moon/mars
moon/uranus

MY moon = his

mars/jupiter
jupiter/uranus
venus/NN
Mercury/NN

My Mars = his

venus/neptune
sun/jupiter

My MC = his

venus/pluto
mercury/pluto

my jupiter = his

sun/moon

My saturn = his

venus/uranus
mercury/ uranus

also, not sure if this counts

his Moon / NN = my vertex

his NN = my
sun/venus
sun/uranus
venus/pluto
venus/jupiter
pluto/ASC

his ASC = my
merc/saturn

his venus= my
venus/neptune
saturn/pluto

his moon = my
moon/venus
mars/neptune

his pluto =
my venus/saturn

his jupiter = my
moon/venus
mars/neptune

his sun = my
moon/ mercury

His MC = my
pluto/ NN
venus/ ASC
mars/ MC

posted April 20, 2010 12:57 PM            

I had a feeling this was Brad/Angelina as soon as I opened the thread. Sometimes I surprise myself LOL.

posted April 21, 2010 01:07 AM            

Your Perspective,

"HIS SUN=
my Mars/BML
my Saturn (square)
my BML/ASC
my Uranus/MC"
OK BML (2) OK I'm gonna say that he activates strongly powerful energies in you. Through your interaction with him you feel like you are learning to own your power (Mars/Bml and Bml/Asc) and his influence makes you want to stand strong in your own right, to get in touch with deeply feminine urges, so with this I think you feel a sexual attraction to his basic energy (Sun). Your Saturn square to his Sun may be that you try to reign him in on occasion, maybe you also try to reign in the feeling he brings up in you. The Uranus/Mc introduces changes in you and your aims, he breathes new life into your aspirations.

"HIS MOON=
my Mars/Uranus
my Uranus/ASc
my Venus/MC
my Uranus/Neptune
my Uranus/NN"
OK big time Uranus. On an emotional level she might find this relationship to be electrifying and incredibly stimulating (maybe to the point of irritation/exhaustion with Mars/Uranus). OK She's propelled to express herself in a much different manner than usual for her when around him (Uranus/Asc), she may be inclined to pursue Arts as an aim as a result of this relationship (Venus/Mc) if she has any natural inclination in this area that part of her may be emphasized through him. With the Uranus/NN connection she feels motivated to make a significant change with regard to her life path.

"HIS MERCURY=
my Venus (square)
my Jupiter/Uranus
my Sun/Saturn
my Pluto/MC
my Pluto (opposition)"
OK Through talking with him there may be a block here regarding her perceived limitations (Sun/Saturn) so she could set limits on the communication. The square to Venus, opp to Pluto pts to hurt feelings on her part. Her Mc is influenced so through talking with him the Pluto/Mc, her goals are made more clear for actualizing some real power in her life. Jupiter/Uranus pts to his words possibly creating a giddy effect in her where she waits to hear from him again just to see what new thing he'll say.

"HIS VENUS=
my Moon/Saturn
my Venus/BML
my Mercury/Jupiter
my Sun/Jupiter
my Mars/MC
my ASC/MC"
OK Jupiter and Mc strong here. His loving nature/artistic side stimulates high ideals in her and positive aspirations regarding her place in life. But the Moon/Saturn she may feel unsure regarding his affections but her inclination is to build a strong emotional bond, so this is one indication of her wanting a commitment. Her Venus/Bml ignited is very strong, and she wants to share her deep sexuality here, and give all of this very freely (Sun/Jupiter) as she's inclined to feel generous with this love and commitment she will offer. Mercury/Jupiter also says that she would love to share many happy moments and conversation with him. Mars/Asc/Mc points to a v.fast sudden realization moving faster and faster to what she really wants out of life.

"HIS MARS=
my Pluto/BML
my Venus/Mars
my Venus/ASC"
His energy triggers ooh la la lots of sexual energy in her. Bam, lol. From his masculine nature she feels propelled into the abyss (pluto) of desire (mars/bml) and intense affection (venus). This reflects strongly also in how she wants to be perceived (Asc), so his energy awakens this part of her and when they're out together she feels like the strong sexual feminine archetype.

posted April 21, 2010 01:49 AM            

"MY SUN=
his Sun/Jupiter
his Venus/Node
his Saturn/Neptune
his Sun/Pluto"
OK Through her solar energy self he expands into a very generous(jupiter) and powerful (pluto) individual. He wants to bestow upon her many riches both emotional and material, and he also gets very in touch with his most powerful self (sun/pluto). So he could be very intense in his dealings with her depending on how well he relates to Plutonian energy. The strength he gets here through her is unbelievable and regenerates him. The Saturn/Neptune would point to his fantasies hitting up against the reality of the situation, but he could also get inspiration to work hard to achieve something concrete(saturn) from his realm of imagination (neptune). His Venus/Node, I'm unsure, does he feel like something here gives him the love he's destined for?

"MY MERCURY=
his Sun/Jupiter
his Venus/Node
his Saturn/Neptune"
OK when she talks to him he feels again the Sun/Jupiter so there's a livening and quickening of his confidence and basic strength. This is good because he'll want the convos to stay optimistic and he'll prob eagerly await talking to her. On his Venus/node again, the words she says has an impact on the love he's looking for, so his ideals in that regard would also be impacted. On the Saturn/Neptune front again he's encouraged to breathe life into something that may have eluded him in the past.

"MY MOON=
his NN (opposition)
his Moon/Neptune
his Saturn/Uranus"
On the emotional level there is a feeling of deep intuitive connection (Moon/Neptune) and also a feeling of 'do i stay or do i go' (Saturn/Uranus) a push pull effect that can be frustrating. Conj his Sn there would be a feeling that this is what home used to be, and she would likely feel the same. So there's intuitive connection from the past, prob a past life indicator, but he's also torn between wanting to stay and wanting to move on from that.

"MY VENUS=
his Uranus/Neptune
his Sun/BML
his Venus/Pluto
his Mercury (square)
his Jupiter/Neptune"
Oh they both evoke Venus/Pluto through the other's Venus so deep intense DW here. When she expresses her loving feminine nature he may feel lost in a big dream that could throw him as he's not used to this level of fascination. His Mercury square would mean he sometimes hurts her romantic sensibilities by the way he expresses himself.

"MY MC=
his Venus/Jupiter
his Sun/Mars
his Uranus/Neptune
his Sun / BML
his Venus/Pluto"
In a career/ social context he seems to experience her in very intense ways. Deep identification with the powerful undercurrents in his nature is v.likely and he may pin these on her, these are the things that stand out the most from her to him. Venus/Pluto again so this is a strong component of their relationship.

"MY MARS=
his Mars/NN
his NN/BML
his Jupiter/Pluto"
OK Her energy stimulates him to charge forward on his life path, touching his jupiter/pluto he may realize much success through her, and having his nn/bml activated points to other points here which all mean that through her energy he gets in touch with the deep feminine within.

"my ASC=
his Jpuiter/Pluto
his Pluto (square)
his Mars/Uranus
his MErcury/SAturn"
Through her physical being she stimulates him strongly in possibly a perverse or unusual manner (mars/uranus), Asc is another Mars point so here again she's strongly activating his major success point jupiter/pluto. He has intense feelings attached to all of this but on another level her being forces him to keep quiet (merc/saturn) and strongly regulate what he says to her, and to keep his thoughts very structured and to not say anything that isn't sincere. So he may say nothing than say something off base/off balance.

"my NODE=
his Pluto (square)
his Mars/Uranus
his Mercury/Saturn
his Uranus/BML
his Mars/Jupiter
his Mercury/Node"
Ok her path awakens in him enthusiasm (mars/jupiter) to make sudden change (mars/uranus). Pluto sq her nodes means her path will be diverted in an intense manner with regard to him, she's taking a rest on the way and feeling a taste of what passion is through him. His Uranus/Bml speaks of the change she brings to him again through getting him suddenly in touch with strong female energy. His mercury/node, I'm not sure. Mercury/Saturn again so he may feel inclined to be tight lipped about all the change he's going through on a verbal level, there's just not that much Mercury so a lot that's is experienced here either won't have words or doesn't really need it.