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comica23
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posted April 22, 2010 09:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*edited* - 30th April 2010

Update - version 2.1 - minor bugs fixed in the load option and synastry orb option

(sorry for all this constant update)

Midpoints, anyone? X3

Midpoints might not be as known as other basic things in astrology, but they can be very relevant too.

Even in composite charts, midpoints are mostly overlooked, and very few astrologers really uses it. But they are in fact very relevant, and many dynamics of a relationship could actually be found through midpoints than just through the main "visible" aspects.

But well, there are no sites that would calculate the midpoints of a composite chart, that anyone that wants to try this method would have to go through a painful time in order to calculate them in depth.

But here it is, a simple application that calculates aspects to/between midpoints in a natal or composite chart. X3 It took me some time (and frustration from the bugs lol), but I've finally finished it, and hopefully it's working fine lol.



Download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BQA9J4LW

I hope you guys like it~ X3 Please let me know what you think if you try it. X3


Important notes:

- to run the application, simply double-click on the .jar file. No installation needed. http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/jar

- if it doesn't work, then you might need to install Java Running Environment (JRE). Usually, JRE is already installed, since it's used for Java applications, specially by internet browsers. You can download it here:
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp
Another important thing is, you might already have JRE installed, but the .jar extension is not associated with it. If so, then you can download Jarfix, an application that fixes this (no installation required):
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Jarfix-Download-79716.html

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posted April 22, 2010 09:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You wrote an app during Mercury retro? Brave girl!
Can't wait to try it!

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posted April 22, 2010 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm glad you wrote it in java because I have a Mac and can't run .exe files )))

Megaupload says the "file is temporarily unavailable" so I'll check back later?

ETA: It works now

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posted April 22, 2010 09:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ah, so it's Mercury Rx! I was feeling frustrated with all those bugs lol~

Yeah megaupload shows that message sometimes, but you can refresh the browser or wait for some time later. X3 If it keeps being unavailable, I'll upload it on another free hosting site.

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posted April 23, 2010 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comica you're so awesome What are you gonna think up when Uranus goes over all your Aries placements

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posted April 23, 2010 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Lonake! X3 To be honest, I'm curious yet scared of how it will be soon, since Aries is quite where the chore of me is lol.

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posted April 23, 2010 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is really cool, Comica!


Why is Aries at your core? Is your IC in Aries, too?

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posted April 23, 2010 11:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, my IC is in Sagittarius, but I consider Aries as my chore coz I have Aries Sun/Moon/Venus/Mercury/BML/<some other stuffs>, and I know that deep inside my essence is represented here. X3 Mercury is also my AC ruler (MC too), so that it shows once again that my identity is there.

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posted April 23, 2010 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, with that big stellium I can understand that.

Funny you have a STellium in Aries, my IC-sign. And I have a Stellium in Sag, your IC-sign.

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posted April 23, 2010 09:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, we could have fun hanging out together lol Sagittarius influenced people somehow makes me feel like home and laugh, and then they also make my Aries side happy. XD

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posted April 23, 2010 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't use it for some reason. Did it stop working?

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posted April 23, 2010 09:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diana, do you mean that you can't download it, or that the program doesn't work after you've downloaded it and clicked on the file .jar file?

.jar files are kinda like .exe files, you just need to double-click it to run it. But it requires JRE (Java Running Environment) to run it. Usually, JRE is already installed, since it's used for Java applications, specially by internet browsers. You can download it here:
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

Another important thing is, you might already have JRE installed, but the .jar extension is not associated with it. If so, then you can download Jarfix, an application that fixes this, while no installation is required:
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Jarfix-Download-79716.html

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posted April 23, 2010 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought you said I didn't need to download it.

I will try it, and download it,after merc rx. I am way too afraid to download anything right now. It looks very cool!

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posted April 23, 2010 10:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi comica, thanks for making this !
I'm wondering, since you made this- are you good at interpreting midpoints in composites? If so, was wondering if I could ask you about a couple in a romantic relationship (namely, Sun on the Sat/Mars midpoint, Neptune on the Jup/Saturn midpoint and Sun/Moon midpoint, Saturn on the Venus/Pluto midpoint, and Mars on the Sun/Venus-Uranus midpoint). Also how would you go about interpreting aspects from composite midpoints to natal planets? appreciate your thoughts

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posted April 24, 2010 02:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
staborgi, someone's natal objects in aspect to composite mps would seem that this person would affect the part of the relationship that is represented by that midpoint, like a transit.

I still have so much to learn about interpreting mps of the composite, but I've been very interested in them since I've seen them really working.
I'm not familiar with all the mps, only a few ones, and I try to think of a mp as a combination of the planets' energies (a part of the relationship) that is affected by the other element that aspects it. For example:

- Sun/Moon mp - represents the course of the relationship. Elements that are aspected to it might be of a major theme in the relationship and influences on its course.
- Sun/Mercury - the general nature of communication in the relationship.
- Sun/Venus - classical love mp. Represents general love and affection.
- Moon/Venus - emotional attraction.
- Venus/Mars - phyiscal/emotional attraction. The point that represents the male/female attraction.
- Moon/Saturn - represents what's between the couple, as well as devotion between the couple.
- Jupiter/Saturn - commitment and stability.
- Venus/Uranus - electrical venusian attraction.
- Venus/Pluto - plutonic + venusian attraction. Depending on how it is aspected, can represent from intense and deep transformative attraction to purely physical and even selfish, obsessive attraction.

In a composite, Mars and Saturn generally represents the man while Moon and Venus generally represents the woman, coz men generally reflects the male dynamics of a relationship while the female generally reflects the female dynamics of a relationship - but this is not always like that, if for example the gender roles are reversed sometimes.
The Sun represents the chore of the relationship, so where it is shows the main theme of the relationship (like if it's on Venus/Mars mp, then this relationship's main theme is of Venus/Mars attraction).


About the aspects you've listed:
- Sun on Mars/Saturn midpoint - hmm I'm not sure how to interpret this, but maybe this relationship is focused on him, or that he is very focused on this relationship?

- Neptune on the Jupiter/Saturn midpoint and Sun/Moon midpoint - unsureness about commitment? Or something hidden about commitment.

- Saturn on the Venus/Pluto midpoint - hmm I'm not sure how to see this lol sorry.

- Mars on the Sun/Venus-Uranus midpoint - did you mean Sun/Venus and Sun/Uranus mps? Or Sun/Venus and Venus/Uranus mp? Mars conjunct Sun/Venus mp can show a good attraction, and Mars on Venus/Uranus too but more electrical, while Mars on Sun/Uranus might show that he has an independent nature (but I'm not sure about this last one).

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posted April 24, 2010 11:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
comica,
AWESOME. THANK YOU for listing those, very very helpful.And for sharing your thoughts on the aspects I appreciate your insights a ton

You're right on about the unsureness and hidden aspect of commitment. There's also a hugely inspiring/spiritual aspect to our relationship which I guess comes from it being at the Sun/Moon midpoint too.

It's interesting what you said about the Sun being on the Mars/Saturn...and I didn't think about it until you mentioned it. I guess the relationship is focussed on him and he on the relationship too...he's older than me and I really look up to him. In many ways, I see him as an older version of myself- fully comfortable with himself, successful because of the personal traits I admire in him and are a huge part of me too...also he is more of the driver of the relationship. So far that's been ok, because like I said, I really look up to and relate to him.

Also sorry for my confusing wording, I meant that Venus and Uranus are conjunct and thus the Sun/Venus midpoint is also the Sun/Uranus midpoint and that's what Mars falls on. But yes, there is a lot of "electric" attraction.

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posted April 25, 2010 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comica,

I have been looking at two composites, and there were A LOT midpoints triggered by the NN.
How would you interprete that?


Also, what do you think of Davison`?

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posted April 25, 2010 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW comica, you are such a honey

Thank you!!!

Thanks for allowing it to work on a MAC!!!

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posted April 25, 2010 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It says the file is unavailable.

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posted April 25, 2010 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I have been looking at two composites, and there were A LOT midpoints triggered by the NN.
How would you interprete that?

I didn't pay much attention to NN yet, although it would seem that mps/NN aspects would have some effects too, since for example, whenever there are transits triggering one of them (the mp/s or NN), these transits would trigger NN too. So mps/NN aspects might be relevant for understanding how different parts of a relationship (represented by each mp) could be part of the relationship's lessons.

About Davison charts, I didn't pay much attention to it since the composite represents pretty much what Davison represents, and I feel more comfortable using actual physical midpoints of the planets of two charts than midpoints of time and space of birth between the couple (which personally felt less real to me). But of course, a method being accurate or not actually depends on how familar/capable an astrologer is with it, so that Davison can be a very useful tool too. It's just a matter of preference.

But well, I've also noticed something interesting about composite/Davison - some aspects or even patterns are actually present in both charts for the same couple.
Also, I've read somewhere about the scientific possibilities that time midpoints could valid too, just like physical midpoints. I can't it remember well, yet I've found it interesting.

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posted April 25, 2010 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THank you for making this. It's a very nice application.

My only suggestion is , I wish there was a way to make save files so I don't have to re-type planet positions for different chart.. Just throwing that out there. Who knows , you might be earning money with an upgraded version of the MD Calc some day

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posted April 25, 2010 01:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
evander, hmm maybe I can try that, to make it save the info to a file in which the program can read again. X3 I'm also thinking about a few more modifications when I have time. Thanks for the idea!

*edit* I don't really intend to make money with this application, coz I've always been receiving help from others without giving much in return, so that I can contribute something to the astrology community as well. Also, midpoints are actually so relevant, that maybe through this application, it can become more popular. It would be great if more people are interested in them, as well as midpoints in composites.
But well, this application is also a good way to train my rusty programming skills. X3

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posted April 25, 2010 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Comica,

"About Davison charts, I didn't pay much attention to it since the composite represents pretty much what Davison represents, and I feel more comfortable using actual physical midpoints of the planets of two charts than midpoints of time and space of birth between the couple (which personally felt less real to me). But of course, a method being accurate or not actually depends on how familar/capable an astrologer is with it, so that Davison can be a very useful tool too. It's just a matter of preference."

That is interesting that you say this, cause I read nearly the same, just from the opposite perspective, that some astrologers will prefer Davison charts because this represents a "real" chart as opposed to the composite representing an "artifical/ mathematical" chart; they define "real" in the way that the constellations have once actually existed in the sky, which is not th e case with the composite.

Personally I still haven`t formed a conclusive opinion yet.
For a long time I thought Davison reflected the nature of a relationship better than composite did, but maybe it is just a matter of perspective.

But despite some similiarities I have seen many composites / Davisons which were very different in their pattern and aspect.


Anyway, thanks for the answer on the NN. I was thinking that since the NN represents our lifepath / purpose in natal, maybe in the composite / Davison the NN could represent the purpose / path of the relationship itself?


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posted April 25, 2010 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That is interesting that you say this, cause I read nearly the same, just from the opposite perspective, that some astrologers will prefer Davison charts because this represents a "real" chart as opposed to the composite representing an "artifical/ mathematical" chart; they define "real" in the way that the constellations have once actually existed in the sky, which is not th e case with the composite.

Yeah, I've heard about them too. But well, even thought astrology is based on actual positions of the planets in the sky, it's system of symbolism is actually based on the "imaginary" (meanings were just attributed to the positions and aspects, without solid proofs that it does work). Yet if it works, then even if it doesn't have solid proofs yet, it can still be useful.

Another important thing is that it is true that Davison is based on a chart with "real" positions (that doesn't have "impossible" aspects), but if we assume that the actual physical midpoints aren't valid, then it might imply that the time/space midpoints wouldn't be valid too, since it implies that the very theory of midpoints itself isn't valid. Midpoint of physical positions is mathematical, yet midpoint of time/space is mathematical too.

And then, going back to the whole astrology system itself, aspects are mathematical too.

(but well, then just in another perspective, if positional midpoints are indeed valid, then it might also imply that the time midpoins are also valid. X3 )

quote:
Anyway, thanks for the answer on the NN. I was thinking that since the NN represents our lifepath / purpose in natal, maybe in the composite / Davison the NN could represent the purpose / path of the relationship itself?

Yeah, I would think so too.

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posted April 26, 2010 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Update - save/load function added~ XD

But the save/load interface might be a bit too simple, hope it's still fine lol. XP Please read the FAQ in the Help section for further info.

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