posted April 27, 2010 11:46 PM         

Over the weekend I met a (younger) man who is extremely interested in me. We were online friends first, met at a function over the weekend, and now he is coming on SUPER strong. If I didn't know better, I would swear he was a Scorpio! I actually thought he had some Scorpio in him until I ran his chart, but I was surprised at how "airy" he is.

How can someone with so much Gemini be this intense? He has Venus in Gemini for pete's sake! I'm attracted to intensity, but I swear I've never seen a Gemini behave this way. Then again, I've never met a male Gemini (surprisingly). He calls and texts all day, tells me he wants to be with me, that he's been crushing on me forever, can't wait to see me again, etc. He has a very passionate love nature! I honestly have come to believe that he would spend every waking moment with me if he could and he just met me 3 days ago.

Here's his chart:

And our synastry and composite (I'm inside):

Like I said, he is younger, so we do have a Venus/Pluto conjunction (in Scorpio) but it has a pretty wide orb (4). I'm Venus in the conjunction. If it counts, it's a double whammy. I've never had Venus/Pluto with someone, could that explain it?

Is it the Libra rising? I have a ton of Libra but I always blamed my intensity in relationships on my Venus in Scorpio. It can't be JUST the Libra ascendant can it?

Basically, I'm just trying to figure out if this is a "him" thing, or an "us" thing. I like him a lot but don't share his...err...fascination with me quite yet.

I did notice that the composite has a lot of 8th and 5th house action going on (in Leo and Taurus, respectively), but I didn't think you could count a composite until there was an actual "relationship" to behave in?

If I thought sun sign stereotypes were a crock before this one really put me over the top!

Edited to add: This is the 3rd man I've met in a row with an Aries Moon (not sure what's up with that!). I considered that might be it, because they all have pursued hotly, but he is the one that has been most open and "I won't take no for an answer, I must have you" of the 3, and the other two had Venus in Aries also, so I'm not sure it's the Aries...

posted April 28, 2010 12:12 AM         

I don't know their exact positions. I just know that they square his Ascendant/Descendant axis because they move so slowly. They are collective Plutonian energy.

I want to check out Pluto's fellow big transneptunians for intensity and depth, but I can't do his chart without looking at his birthdata.

He has a prominent Moon with it oppose/conjunct Ascendant/Descendant axis and square Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis. That's very emotional,sensitive.

I have a Sun in Gemini mother, and she's very intense. That's one of the reasons why I was skeptical of Astrology.

She has Moon in Scorpio, and she has Sun trine/sextile Pluto as well as strong Pluto influence through the declinations overall. She even has transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino, Orcus conjunct Ascendant with 10 minutes of arc.
She has a very watery chart with Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,and Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio.

She is a perfect example of the need to not focus on just the sunsign.

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posted April 28, 2010 12:30 AM         

This guy has an Aries moon. That's a whole lotta intensity there alone. That Aries moon, like an Aries Sun, will like the thrill of the chase, and wants what it wants with driven single-mindedness, at least until something more appealing comes along. Plus he has Mars trine Pluto--that's a very driven, very passionate aspect, especially in water signs! He doesn't feel emotions halfway nor does he want to experience life half-way, It's all or nothing. Both his Mars and Pluto are aspecting Neptune, the ruler of his Mars, that gives that Mars-Pluto trine a more romantic, more idealist bent.

And please don't knock Gemini Venusians. We get a damn bad rap. We aren't shallow, just prone to being high strung and easily overwhelmed by other people's drama in relationships. So we need to get out before we suffocate. This guy has his Venus conjunct both his Sun and his Mercury--he has a very intense Venusian side to him that just needs the right person to help him explore without short-circuiting his nervous Gemini nature.

posted April 28, 2010 12:31 AM         

His birthdata is June 9, 1988 in Washington, DC, 3:37 PM.

I have seen you talk about your mom before and how intense she is, and you're right, I would NOT peg that as anything Gemini. I'm constantly talking about how sun sign isn't everything. But this one has Sun, Venus, and Mercury in Gemini...I would think he was quite mercurial, wouldn't you?

I did some Google searches of LL before posting this thread just to make sure there wasn't a bunch of stuff already out there about intense Geminis, but most of what I found would seem to support the "freedom loving" and "love 'em and leave 'em" kind of Gemini, not this kind, so I'm definitely intrigued.

Teasel--yes, I was wondering about the Moon on the descendant too, that would definitely make him very relationship oriented (and he is), but he seems to be really into ME in particular. And at the moment it's a little one-sided.

posted April 28, 2010 12:36 AM         

people who personal planets,angles in 18 - 20 of the Mutable signs are more likely to be intense,sensitive,deep types

The Geocentric and Heliocentric transneptunian dwarf planet Makemake Nodes are located around those degrees in Gemini/Sagittarius

His Sun in 19'10 Gemini, and so his Sun conjuncts the Makemake North Node.

That's more significant than Sun conjunct Makemake itself because it's a strong connection to collective Makemake energy.

You can check it out for yourself
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

to get Geocentric nodes

check the boxes,Show North Node, Show South Node

to get Heliocentric nodes

change Geocentric to Heliocentric

I believe that it's important to not overlook the nodes of the planets,dwarf planets/candidates or the astrologer could be missing out on a key piece of the chart.

but yeah
he's now way near being a superficial with his Sun conjunct the Makemake North Node and his Ascendant/Descendant axis square the heliocentric Pluto Nodes.

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posted April 28, 2010 12:36 AM         

This guy's really not what I'd call 'super airy' mainly because I have a friend who is 'super airy' and he's got a bunch of stuff in Aquarius AND the Moon in Gemini. I think the Moon actually makes a big difference when relating in relationships, moreso than the rising sign.

However, it's not just because he has an Aries Moon either. This guy has his Sun in the 8th house which would give him a Scorpio like quality since the 8th is traditionally ruled by Scorpio.

Further, he's got a hell of a lot in earth and water signs for him to be 'super airy.'

Pluto in Scorpio is trining Mars in Pisces within a degree. THAT is probably what is causing a lot of his intense fascination. Mars is how his masculinity is expressed, which, by itself in Pisces would actually make him a little more reserved in expressing affection, but since it is also trining Pluto (which is in its ruling sign of Scorpio), that indicates that when he is interested in someone sexually, he can get very deeply attached to them. Mars and Pluto in the water signs tend to be broody and intense anyway.

Also, keep in mind that he's got Saturn in it's ruling sign of Capricorn which means that he's very pragmatic about things and when he sees something that he wants, he goes out to get it. He probably won't be too easily deterred. Combine with that the fact that it's conjunct Neptune (idealism) and Uranus (spontaneity) so he probably sees what he thinks is ideal and will get a little jolt in his gut that he could easily mistake for love.

Don't get me wrong... Sometimes good love relationships happen this way. Sometimes they don't. The Aries Moon is equally likely to make him jump at things he wants quickly, but along with the Uranus/Saturn/Neptune combination he is probably going to be more tenacious about getting it.

So yeah... He's got Mercury, Venus, the Sun, and the rising sign in air, but I wouldn't call him 'super airy.' More like 'moderately airy with a chance of thunderstorms.'

posted April 28, 2010 12:54 AM         

So both you and Enchantress are in agreement that the tight Mars-Pluto trine has a lot to do with it. Especially with Pluto in his 1st house too, hmmm, I can see that. And you're right, I shouldn't knock the Gemini Venus just because it's in "Gemini". Now that I think about it, a powerfully aspected Venus is a powerful Venus regardless of sign. I am quick to jump on air signs for flightiness (which is funny because I am strong in air and not the least bit flighty but unfortunately I realize where that bias comes from and need to account for it) & sometimes that keeps me from seeing the bigger picture.

Raymond--

From one of your previous threads on Makemake, I found this:

quote:

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Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

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From what I know of him, that is quite accurate. Of course he is an excellent communicator, I've actually never met a man so talkative, it's quite refreshing. He's also very protective of his family, I've already seen evidence of that in the conversations we've had.

The nodes are the points at which the orbit of an object crosses the plane of the elliptical, correct? And these nodes represent a particularly powerful concentration of the basic energy of that object? Forgive this ignorant question, but I'm assuming a geocentric node is to view that intersection from the Earth's viewpoint and a heliocentric from the Sun's, but both are equally significant?

Enchantress--

posted April 28, 2010 01:11 AM         

Quaoar is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate after the Native American Tongva Creation God who created life through singing and dancing, and it is said to have to do with inspiring creativity.
Ixion is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino, and so it is very similar to Pluto.
Haumea is a transneptunian dwarf planet, and it is named after the Hawaiian fertility creation goddess. It can be connected to fertility,creative.

so his Midheaven/Imum Coeli is in strong connection to the transneptunian energy. evolutionary,intensified lessons,experiences connected to aim in life,career,domestic environment,roots.

His Sun in Gemini is highly modified by transneptunian energies

Sun in 19'10 Gemini
conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Makemake Nodes in 19'10 Gemini/Sagittarius
conjunct Geocentric North Makemake Node in 19'09 Gemini
oppose Geocentric South Makemake Node in 19'12 Sagittarius
square Huya in 19'10 Virgo
square Heliocentric Huya Nodes in 19'10 Virgo/Pisces

The Heliocentric Makemake Nodes and the Geocentric Makemake Nodes were in convergence with the Sun aligned with them on the day he was born. He is very strongly connected to the collective energy of Makemake.
Makemake is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after Easter Island's Rapanui fertility creation god. It can be involved with fertility,creativity,intense communication,and intense self orientation.
His Sun exactly conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Makemake Nodes,almost exact conjunction to Geocentric North Makemake Node,and almost exact opposition to Geocentric South Makemake Node are amazing!

Huya was conjunct its Geocentric South Node and conjunct/oppose its Heliocentric Nodes and the Sun square them on the day he was born. He is very strongly connected to Huya energy.
Huya is a transneptunian dwarf planet/plutino, and so it has similar orbit as Pluto. It's named after the Native American Wayuu Rain God.

overall his self expression,ego,vitality is very strongly connected to the big transneptunians, and so evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences are a major life theme

Mercury in 24'12 Gemini
Venus in 24'10 Gemini
trine Geocentric South Sedna Node in 24'20 Aquarius
square Haumea in 24'10 Virgo
sextile Geocentric North Sedna Node in 23'34
Leo
sextile/trine Heliocentric Sedna Nodes in 24'10 Leo/Aquarius

His Mercury-Venus conjunction is strongly connected to the Sedna Nodes which is collective Sedna energy.
It is associated with associated with compassion,otherworldliness. betrayal,victimization,and abuse are themes of Sedna, but he doesn't have any hard aspects to it. Sedna was named after the Inuit Sea Goddess who was also ruler of the Underworld called Adlivun. She resided at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean.

His Venus exactly square Haumea is very intense love nature indeed! His Mercury is almost exactly square Haumea. Haumea is connected to issues with fertility,creation.
It might have to do with minorities too. Haumea being a dwarf planet named after Hawaiian fertility creation goddess.

Ascendant in 20'37 Libra/Aries
square Geocentric South Pluto Node in 21'04 Capricorn
square Heliocentric Pluto Nodes in 20'07 Capricorn/Cancer

The South Geocentric Node conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Nodes and square his Ascendant/Descendant axis.
strong connection to collective Pluto energy. transformation,intensity,regeneration,elimination are major themes.
Evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences too.

This guy is the perfect example of how 21st Century objects can fill in the blanks because he's very strong in these energies. If you overlook them, you overlook a big part of himself.

He is not a typical Gemini by any means. Yeah..he has Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Gemini, but they are highly modified by transneptunian energy. Therefore, he's highly intense,ultrasensitive,deep nonconformist type with major evolutionary intensifed lessons/experiences with that very strong transneptunian influence.

It makes me wonder if he incarnated for a special purpose...especially with his Sun strongly connected to collective Makemake and Huya energy.

More and more, I believe in 21st Century Astrology that includes Pluto's fellow transneptunians.

any ways...there is no wonder that he's an intense person, and that's an understatement.
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Raymond

Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 28, 2010 01:14 AM         

From one of your previous threads on Makemake, I found this:

quote:Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

From what I know of him, that is quite accurate. Of course he is an excellent communicator, I've actually never met a man so talkative, it's quite refreshing. He's also very protective of his family, I've already seen evidence of that in the conversations we've had."

very interesting

"The nodes are the points at which the orbit of an object crosses the plane of the elliptical, correct? And these nodes represent a particularly powerful concentration of the basic energy of that object? Forgive this ignorant question, but I'm assuming a geocentric node is to view that intersection from the Earth's viewpoint and a heliocentric from the Sun's, but both are equally significant?"

You're absolutely correct.

Heliocentric connections are most significant when aspecting the Sun because it also means that Earth aspects those heliocentric nodes with the same orb for Earth in heliocentric chart is in exact opposition to the Sun in geocentric chart.
There if Sun is conjunct a heliocentric node, then Earth conjuncts the opposite node.
His Sun in 19'10 Gemini conjunct Heliocentric North Makemake Node in 19'10 Gemini,and his Earth in 19'10 Sagittarius is conjunct Heliocentric South Makemake Node in 19'10 Sagittarius.

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posted April 28, 2010 01:23 AM         

In my experience men with Sun and Mars in Aries are huge chasers.

Women with Moon and Venus in Aries are also chasers.

But men with Moon and Venus in Aries -- *want* -- a sexual -- aggressive and forward woman.. They don't really want to play this part themselves.

I am not regurgitating traditional astrology info about these planets... This is just what I have noticed in *practice*.

posted April 28, 2010 01:26 AM         

Sun in Gemini square Mars in Pisces
Venus Gemini oppose Cap Saturn, Venus Gemini oppose Sag Uranus

I as well do not take relationships lightheartedly.

posted April 28, 2010 01:30 AM         

Just focusing on his Gemini,Air is not seeing the overall picture.

I also don't see Aries as being intense. I see it as being passionate. If an Aries person is intense, then I suspect that hely he/she has certain aspects in his/her chart that indicates his/her intensity.

another thing is that Aries planets around 19 to 21 degrees will be square the Heliocentric Pluto Nodes and can even square Geocentric Pluto Nodes.

Also transneptunian dwarf planet,Eris has been orbiting in Aries for a good deal of the last century,and it is still in Aries. Aries Planets,points could be conjunct Eris. I'd use only 3 degree orb for conjunction. if it's a wider conjunction, then it's possible that it's conjunct Eris in Right Ascension which is Equatorial Longitude.

Transneptunian dwarf planet Quaoar's Heliocentric South Node has been between 8 and 9 degrees Aries. Therefore, Aries planets,points could be conjunct the South Quaoar Node.

planets,points in Aries could also be trining North Ixion Node,North Orcus Node,Makemake South Node,North Haumea Node.......depending on the degree.

no more than 1 degree orb should be used for the nodes.

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posted April 28, 2010 02:20 AM         

I have always supported your argument that all transneptunians should be given as much if not more weight as Pluto, given their distance and orbit. Makes sense to me...if much of the characteristics we attribute to Pluto have to do with those things, then similar objects should have similar properties.

Also, thanks for the detailed explanation on the nodes, I have a better understanding of their significance in astrology now. I notice you concentrate mainly on aspects to the nodes, but we can still count non-nodal aspects, they just might not be as influential?

Vapor:

That part about Moon/Venus Aries men liking aggressive women...I think you might be right! I actually had one with both placements come right out and tell me he liked nothing more.

As far as your theory about my Venus, I don't know what it is. That initial interest is always there with men, they come on hot and heavy and seem to love to "conquer" me, but then once I give in, most get complacent. ::shrug:: It's been very frustrating because the point at which I surrender is where I'm ready to start letting things heat up even more and they're all satisfied and ready to move on to the next prize, no matter how merry a chase I gave....VERY.ANNOYING.

Mari:

posted April 28, 2010 02:46 AM         

You're very welcome.

"I have always supported your argument that all transneptunians should be given as much if not more weight as Pluto, given their distance and orbit. Makes sense to me...if much of the characteristics we attribute to Pluto have to do with those things, then similar objects should have similar properties."

Thanks

but I don't believe that all transneptunians should be given as much weight as Pluto. That's over 1,000 transneptunian objects.
I think that Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets and the dwarf planet candidates can be equal to Pluto.
but maybe small ones can too. Astrologers say that size doesn't mean anything. They used Pluto to make that example.

yeah. Pluto is just the first transneptunian objects discovered. It took 62 years after its discovery to find the truth about Pluto. It was even discovered in 1930 during Sun oppose/contraparallel Neptune, suggesting illusion,deception involving how Pluto is viewed. This is true. Until 1978, Pluto was thought to be much bigger than it actually was. It was thought to be as big as our Earth, but it is smaller than our Earth's Moon. Pluto's Moon, Charon (discovered in 1978 making it possible for astronomers to calculate Pluto's true mass,size) is actually Pluto's twin. Pluto-Charon are a binary system. Pluto was thought to be the only object orbiting beyond Neptune until 1992 QB1 was discovered.

"Also, thanks for the detailed explanation on the nodes, I have a better understanding of their significance in astrology now. I notice you concentrate mainly on aspects to the nodes, but we can still count non-nodal aspects, they just might not be as influential?"

You're welcome.

I concentrated on both. He just happened to have strong contacts to these nodes. I was flabbergasted with those strong Makemake node connections. If he had strong contacts to the objects themselves, I would have pointed that out too. I did include his aspects to the transneptunian objects themselves.

Aspects to the nodes of the transneptunian objects are more significant than the transneptunians themselves because they are collective type of energies.

I keep the orbs of the big transneptunians within 3 degrees. I keep their nodes within 1 degree.

Your Venus is oppose/conjunct the Geocentric,Heliocentric South Eris Nodes. It would mean lovelife is connected to collective Eristic energy. a theme of equality,diversity,discord,and controversy.
Of course, evolutionary intensified lessons/experiences too. It really modifies that Venus of yours.

My Sun is oppose/conjunct the Geocentric,Heliocentric South Nodes with 10 minutes of arc. So Earth conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Nodes. I am very strongly connected to collective Eristic energy too.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted April 28, 2010 02:58 AM         

quote:

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Aspects to the nodes of the transneptunian objects are more significant than the transneptunians themselves because they are collective type of energies.

I keep the orbs of the big transneptunians within 3 degrees. I keep their nodes within 1 degree.

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Got it.

posted April 28, 2010 03:05 AM         

quote:

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Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.

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I think I can live with that + Venus.

posted April 28, 2010 03:47 AM         

Evolutionary intensified experiences/lessons aren't necessarily bad.

National Organization for Women (NOW) was founded on October 29, 1966 during Sun conjunct South Eris Node. I was born exactly 5 years after that. With my Sun conjunct South Eris Node, I founded Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA).

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posted April 28, 2010 04:06 AM         

Also with Pluto in the first house retrograde or the fact Mercury the ruler of his Sun is retrograde in the 8h house?

posted April 28, 2010 08:28 AM         

All I whould have said was to look at his aries moon. It has an effect on me all admit.

quote:

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Edited to add: This is the 3rd man I've met in a row with an Aries Moon

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All guarantee that you'll never meet me in person then StarrofVenusGirl, LoL.

posted April 28, 2010 08:43 AM         

I have ZERO time for superficiality of any kind. I consider myself to be intense in love but I know how to temper it so that I'm not a wet blanket also. There's another knowflake here by the username of geemeeni who has the same chart as me (she was born a few hours before me) and she is the same way.

posted April 28, 2010 05:01 PM         

Was it Eris you said that might indicate matters pertaining to interracial relationships?

Cheshire--

I don't really know how to describe other than "larger than life" in every way. He is very protective...when he found out that the phone I've been discussing elsewhere was found today he was all set to take a drive and confront the thief LOL. I do know that despite his popularity and all his friends he describes himself as a bit shy and not always having been accepted, so that's a bit of a contradiction. Very mature in some ways and pretty childlike in others, so a study in opposites. I don't know how much of that is the retrogrades and how much is just the Gemini though

Spool--Come on in, the water's just fine! I guarantee it'll be the ride of your life

Got Gemini--I would definitely say your Cancer Venus and Libra Moon conjunct Pluto (!) cancel anything remotely flighty about you!

posted April 28, 2010 07:05 PM         

I opened it because when you said, "Intense Gemini?" I immediately thought of; Lenny Kravitz, Johnny Depp and Prince.

posted April 28, 2010 07:07 PM         

Was it Eris you said that might indicate matters pertaining to interracial relationships?"

Yes

because of the diversity theme

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A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.