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raspberri
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posted May 01, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
I asked if this person loves me. I'm going to look at it right now, but I would love any help! I just want to know more about the overall situation though, more than the actually answer.

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posted May 01, 2010 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Looks like a yes but his feelings keep changing and it may not be persistant. First and 5th make an applying aspect but moon is square jupiter and uranus showing instability with his feelings.

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posted May 01, 2010 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for electricmind     Edit/Delete Message
moon is applying a square to saturn in 7 degrees but the houses are kinda blah for romance.

venus is applying a sextile to mars but venus is in the 11th house. venus is separating from a trine to saturn. so something seemed to be there but maybe the timing wasn't right.

i would say no. maybe give it some time with the venus/marasextile coming. but it doesn't sound promising.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
How about my feelings for him? Can you see them in the chart?

Venus loathes Saturn. Does this mean he isn't interested in me? Or I'm not interested in him? Since I'm the woman...

The Arabic Part of Love is at Leo 17'29.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, but it looks difficult. Moon applies a square to Saturn, and squares are not a 'no' but they speak of difficulties. He's in your 3rd as Saturn and also rx. Communication is a problem - he looks like he is shy or somehow 'away' emotionally. But yes, he does love you.
You (the moon) are sitting in his 12th house - so it's as though you and he are not really seeing each other clearly, or there's a weird distance there.
That's your significators.
You being the moon, the faster moving planet/luminary, also says that you are more emotional about this matter than he is - your emotions are on the surface, I feel, while his seem restrained and kept under wraps. Maybe a lot of silence on his part. You being more emotional just means that you are more pressed for an answer, while he is not...methinks this is because he is also being silent. Like a wall. LOL.

Using Mars and Venus, yes, they are applying a sextile. Yes, he does love you. But he's being awfully passive. His confidence strikes me as low at the moment.

Hope that makes sense.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
One more thing: Venus does not 'loathe' Saturn. Venus and Saturn are good together - Saturn stabilizes Venus. Venus by herself is flightly lol. Without Saturn's gentle exertion, she's ungrounded.
Venus, the faster moving planet, is separating from a trine with Saturn, while the Moon applies a square. That's a translation of light, so it's another 'yes' to the love question.
You go by your significators here.... he being Saturn, you being the moon. Even with the additional significators of Mars and Venus there is a positive answer...granted, the situation does not look easy and communication problems seem to be the main issue, but per the question about love? Yes, he loves you. He's just not being shown by very gooey, soft planets, but that doesn't take away from the basic feelings.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message
mars/pluto: him
moon: you

moon trine mars separating which means something happened between you & him.
moon square jupe: you're optimistic
moon square uranus/neptune/saturn applying:
instability,insecurity,uncertainity in future

moon won't be contacting pluto before changing signs.

mars sextile venus applying:
he might develop feelings for you but it's not guaranteed.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks MVM and eveyone else

I thought since Saturn was in Virgo and since Venus doesn't function well in Virgo, there were repulsive feelings here.

And yes, Communication is our issue. I I wonder if he's seeing anyone else behind my back? I guess we would have to look at planets conjunct his significator for that?

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posted May 01, 2010 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Ok firstly the horary book says we use traditional rulers. Which is mars and moon. Where do you guys get 7th house for love matters?

The question is does he LOVE me?

Love=5th house.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Nope, 7th house always rules the person she is asking about in a romantic capacity. Asking about love is not a 5th house matter - otherwise it might be dating, but even then I would use 7th, because 7th is the other.
It always works for me - 5th is children, art and the like. 5th is even for cheating lol

Basics: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12782

I don't like complicating horary, it's already complicated enough lol

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posted May 01, 2010 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
I know this is a never ending topic!

Ok question again....


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posted May 01, 2010 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Uranus isn't used in horary, right?

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posted May 01, 2010 03:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
From what I have learned, all romantic/love questions are 7th house matters (but i'm a beginner!). So in this case, You are the Moon, and he is Saturn. Saturn is retrograde. The Moon is making an applying Square to Saturn but the orb is really wide. I think I read the degrees are no more than 5˚. Also, I checked the extended data and there is no parallel or contra-parallel between the Moon and Saturn.

Also, if you wanna try to look at it with the 5th being for him (I only use 7th for love and relationship matters), there is still no applying aspect. The same goes if you use modern rulers as well. There is no applying harmonious aspect.

Unfortunately, I think its a no. (Mind you, i'm a beginnner!)

I only use Regiomantanus House and traditional rulers in Horary. I also only use 7th house for love.

I asked over at astro.com and most say 7th only for love. Celeste Teal says 5th but so many others say use 7th.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted May 01, 2010 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
How come we don't have a Horary expert among us? LOL

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posted May 01, 2010 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
How could a 5 degree orb be the only thing considered?

As long as it aspects the other planet before it moves on to the next sign, it's valid.

And a square is valid as well, it just has to be accompanied by reception but it does mean difficulty. The only reception I see is the Moon recieving the Sun. I don't know about the 'terms' and 'face' yet. I'm still learning too.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
you guys are complicating everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

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belgz
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posted May 01, 2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
Mercury retrograde alert!!

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posted May 01, 2010 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
LOL

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posted May 01, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/horary.html

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posted May 01, 2010 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Rasberri, I read the harmonious aspects usually point to a favorable answer for the querent and the square and opposition point to an unfavorable answer for the querent.

So positive is: Trine, sextile, parallel
Not positive is: Square, opposition, and contra-parallel

I read the degrees are 5 in one source. I can't find it though. I never read that the degrees don't count though. Like I said, i'm a beginner so I could be wrong.

And like MVM said, I like to keep it simple. I use traditional rulers, regio house, part of fortune and chiron, and 7th for love.

If Moon void of course is there, chart is unreadable. If Saturn is in the 7th, chart is unreadable. If moon is from 15˚ Libra through 15˚ Scorpio, chart is unreadable.

First thing I do is check for those stricture. If they are not there, I look for an aspect, good or bad, between the significators. If there is no aspect between the significators, I don't even look into the rest of the chart because there isn't any point to it and i'm not sklilled enough in horary to read the rest of the chart.

I really like to keep it simple.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted May 01, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
From that link Belgz posted:

"7th House - contains Saturn or is its ruler. The seventh house governs those we have relations with in whatever capacity and Saturn is the greater malefic."

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted May 01, 2010 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah but William Lilly did say that the exception is when the moon is in Sagittarius, which makes it lucky, so it can be readable while VOC. I will try to find a link for that.

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posted May 01, 2010 03:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
I'm confused!

So the chart can't be read because Saturn rules the 7th? That doesn't make sense!

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posted May 01, 2010 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
REgarding the 5 degree orb.

Maybe they use 5 degree orb, because if it is much more than that (say 10-15 degree) then there could be too much "interfering" before the aspect perfects?

I also read that, even if there is a positive aspect coming up, if there is another planet applying to an aspect to either of the two planets in question, then it could interfere or even hinder a connection.


example:

Venus and Mars as significator:


Venus on 3 Aries
Mars on 10 Aries


But if Saturn was on 5 Cancer, VEnus would FIRST square Saturn before she can aspect Mars, which could modify the whole answer. At least you would have to get htrough Saturn to get to Mars.

Oh yes, I like to complicate things even more.

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