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staborgi
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posted May 07, 2010 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
would like to ask you a few questions

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posted May 07, 2010 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I think Lara is pretty well versed.

I have accumlated a bit of information, too, but am very sceptical of their findings. Anyway, why not just ask your questions and wait who will answer?

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posted May 07, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
ok, well I know some topics have been brought up here but I was wondering if someone could tell me more about the nature of how something is interpreted, particularly all this Chiron stuff in synastry. I can't get my head around what "Cinderella" etc is supposed to implicate in terms of dynamics at work with people. But I am interested because I noticed something that I think Magi astrology would have something to say about in a synastry comparison of mine but have no idea how they go about interpreting such things. Maybe I can post a picture later but it's...

I have Venus/Uranus opposite Chiron natally. He has Neptune quincunx Chiron in his chart. His Neptune exactly conjuncts my Venus/Uranus. So his Chiron ends up in quincunx to my Venus/Uranus and my Chiron ends up opposing his Neptune. My Jupiter also trines that conjunction (although is a 5 degree orb)

Also curious about Saturn/Chiron and Pluto/Chiron aspects that are harmonious...

Also I know they look at heliocentrics and I was wondering if someone could explain to what extent the heliocentric is used and what it is indicative of as opposed to geocentric tropicals.

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posted May 07, 2010 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
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posted May 07, 2010 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I don't buy their Chiron stuff at all. I like that they use declinations though!

Their synastry reports are fun to read too but I don't really buy into them.

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posted May 08, 2010 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Venus/Chiron is real.

I met someone during a cinderella transit (Transit Chiron trine my Venus) and he has his Chiron conjunct my Venus.

They say that you meet your true love during a cinderella transit and they have to have a cinderella linkage with you.

I'm Venus and he's chiron, and I have never loved someone else like this, and I never will. I'm telling you, it's a love that will kill me if I let it....

Magi astrology is quite true in my opinion. You just have to read it.

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posted May 08, 2010 01:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
MAGI is absolutely true... it's just that most people just skim the surface and misunderstand the whole meaning of MAGI ASTROLOGY.

Venus/Chiron is totally spot on ... rasberri said it best

People start ranting about how MAGI is crap but then if you ask them for their synastry you always find a harsh aspect that if they'd bothered to delve deep into the Geo/Helio charts they would have see why there was HEARTBREAK.

I'm so happy that you are enjoying your venus/chiron Rasberri.
I have a venus/chiron cj in my natal and a venuc/chiron/neptune in my 1st meeting chart with my man. He has a venus/chiron quincunx natally and in our synastry we have a venus/chiron parallel in helio.
NO saturn clashes at all.

SATURN is the make or break planet when it comes to MAGI

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posted May 08, 2010 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
What are heliocentrics and how do we calculate them along with a saturn clash?

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posted May 08, 2010 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
What are heliocentrics and how do we calculate them along with a saturn clash?

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Lara
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posted May 08, 2010 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Look up HELIOCENTRIC on Astro (it's in the same place as you find the draconic option) and then look at the synastry and the parallels/contraparallels.

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posted May 08, 2010 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Look up HELIOCENTRIC on Astro (it's in the same place as you find the draconic option) and then look at the synastry and the parallels/contraparallels.

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posted May 08, 2010 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Look up HELIOCENTRIC on Astro (it's in the same place as you find the draconic option) and then look at the synastry and the parallels/contraparallels.

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posted May 08, 2010 08:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
So does Magi just look for the contact with things like Chiron/Venus or do they interpret certain aspects differently? This relationship is loaded with Venus/Neptune/Chiron/Jupiter stuff in synastry and declinations for geocentric and heliocentric which is what got me interested in this...

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posted May 08, 2010 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I humbly disagree. Wasn't Chiron discovered in the 1970's or something? Venus has been proven for thousands of years. They say other things I don't agree with like for example, they say Sun trine Moon is really not a big deal in synastry, it doesn't add much. When i read that I was like WTF???? My personal experience says differently.

All those fatal linkages and clashes they talk about as if free will doesn't factor in.

Also, my experience with Juno speaks differently. My wife's Venus is conjunct my Juno. According to Magi, we wouldn't have gotten married. While I would agree no doubt we shouldn't have, but it was free will that made us get married.

Magi is the small minority that believe in the Chiron stuff and probably the ONLY group that thinks Sun trine Moon is insignificant.

I do give them kudos on using declinations though!

Lara, do you have the Magi software?

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posted May 08, 2010 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message

I don't see what is so groovy special about sun trine moon lol

Have you ever researched Magi, GG? I'm not trying to show you up here or make myself appear better - just genuinely curious. I think you might be surprised to hear that they do believe in free will and that it's not gospel.

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posted May 08, 2010 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Well for me, since i have 3 air planets, and 4 ruled by mercury, I'm inclined to like my airy trine signs.

One of my FAV aspects is Sun trine Moon or Merc trine Merc.

For me, I feel the ease and harmony of Sun trine Moon.

As far as if I researched, yeah, I've read through it, even considered signing up but that was premature. After I started learning more, I realize I didn't agree with some of their stuff. I have like 10 CAC reports (maybe more) and they are ALL off.

I don't buy the Chiron, cinderalla linkage transit stuff. I have them in some of my CAC reports but they are wrong!

Also, they might agree with free will but their CAC reports don't seem like it. They seem very fatalistic. Like, if an aspect is, it WILL play out the way their description says it will.

No offense taken Lara (your aces in my book too!)! Do you have the Magi software Lara?

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posted May 08, 2010 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I don't buy it. I have this with someone, this is from the CAC report.

quote:
[VENUS PARALLEL YOUR CHIRON]
Linkage: ROM/R= +195. SEX/R= +135. CMPT/R= +195. ROMANCE LINKAGE. CINDERELLA LINKAGE. MAGICAL LINKAGE. In terms of romantic attraction, this is the most powerful linkage that you can have with anyone. This linkage occurs more often in married couples than any other linkage. If the two of you also form a Romantic Super Linkage, then you have the astrological basis necessary to fall in love. This linkage is also a sign that the two of you can be very helpful to each other, sometimes without even trying because being able to help each other is in the stars. That's why this linkage is MAGIcal. This is the linkage that COMBINES DESTINIES and it almost has a mystical power and seems to aid the linked persons in anything that they do together so long as they are in love.

(Copyright (c) 1999-2005 The Magi Associates, Inc. All rights reserved.) - Apex v.1.03


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Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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posted May 08, 2010 10:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Another one from a Declination CAC report: I don't buy a single syllable of it. Me and this person ALSO have a Venus conjunct Mars double whammy. It almost like they are stealing the spolight from traditional aspects and adding them to their own.

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[VENUS CONTRA-PARALLEL YOUR JUNO]
Linkage: ROM/R= +115. SEX/R= +300. CMPT/R= +50. ULTIMATE SUPER SEXUAL LINKAGE. JUNO SUPER LINKAGE. ORGASM LINKAGE. This Juno Linkage is found more often between two lovers than any other linkage. It creates the highest level of sexual attraction and NEED, and it also helps to create the conditions and circumstances necessary for intimate sexual contact to actually occur, whether the two of you are both single or even both married to someone else. This is one reason why Juno rules the AFFAIR.

The major shortcoming of this linkage is that it is a Juno Linkage and all Juno Linkages are deceptive and fleeting in nature - the sexual attraction and need created by this linkage will not last long. While it lasts, you are in lahlah land and all you dream about is having sex with this person; it is as if you are under a spell, and you are. You are under a JUNO SPELL. All Juno Linkages cast spells and all spells will be broken sooner or later. When this spell breaks, if you do not have other strong linkages with this person, you will wonder what you were doing and unless the two of you have Chiron or Vesta Linkages and other strong linkages, your relationship will fall apart.

Venus, Mars and Pluto, the three Sexual Planets, rule sexual ATTRACTION, but Juno rules SEXUAL RELATIONS. The sexual power of Juno Linkages is next to none. In fact, the sexual power of Juno Linkages is overwhelming.

Before Juno Linkages came along, the three Sexual Planets Venus, Mars and Pluto linked with each other to form Sexual Linkages and these linkages were the most powerful at creating sexual attraction. But when Juno entered our astrological lives, we learned that Juno immediately dominated everything in our lives related to sex and overpowered all of the three Sexual Planets. The three Sexual Planets and are all rulers of Sexual Attraction. But Juno is the MATING PLANET; Juno is the SEXUAL SPELL PLANET. Juno is ruler of INTIMACY, SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, ORGASMS and the need for orgasms.

Juno represents having orgasms together.

The difference between Juno and the Sexual Planets can be explained this way:

The Sexual Planets are limited in their sexual power because they only rule sexual ATTRACTION. But attraction between two persons does not mean they will actually become lovers. Two persons can be sexually and romantically attracted to each other and yet never ever actually become lovers. Virtually everyone has had an experience where there was strong mutual attraction but intimacy never occurred. The reason was Sexual Aspects involving only the Sexual Planets but no Juno Linkages.

On the other hand, Juno not merely creates the strongest attraction, it also creates the SEXUAL NEED AND OVERWHELMING DESIRE to have sex with the person.

Juno has dominion over all forms of physical intimacy, including making love. Juno rules the actual sex act and having orgasms. For this reason, unless two persons have a Juno Linkage, they are unlikely to ever make love or have sex together, even if they have a ton of Sexual Linkages and Romance Linkages.

To put it another way:

Juno creates something that the three Sexual Planets do not. Juno creates sexual NEED and ATTACHMENT. It is one thing to be sexually attracted to someone, and it is a whole different condition to NEED someone sexually. Whereas Chiron creates emotional need such as needing someone's love, Juno represents sexual needs such as feeling sexually unfulfilled without being able to have sex with a person, and incessantly dreaming about the person in a sexual way. It is a Juno Spell. This can be good or bad depending on all the rest of the linkages and clashes the two of you form.

One final and important note: the attraction and need created by this linkage is often fleeting. Sometimes it lasts just one weekend (oh what a weekend it was). Whenever you have this Juno Linkage with anyone, you should always remember that Juno is ruler of the AFFAIR, and has nothing to do with true love. There cannot be love without Chiron Linkages.

(Copyright (c) 1999-2005 The Magi Associates, Inc. All rights reserved.) - Apex v.1.03


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Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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posted May 08, 2010 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
Now this is in the Longitude CAC report (the regular traditional synastry report from Magi). I just don't buy their Chiron Juno stuff. Doesn't fit for me. The traditional interps do.

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[VENUS TRINE YOUR CHIRON]
Linkage: ROM/R= +195. SEX/R= +135. CMPT/R= +195. ROMANCE LINKAGE. CINDERELLA LINKAGE. MAGICAL LINKAGE. In terms of romantic attraction, this is the most powerful linkage that you can have with anyone. This linkage occurs more often in married couples than any other linkage. If the two of you also form a Romantic Super Linkage, then you have the astrological basis necessary to fall in love. This linkage is also a sign that the two of you can be very helpful to each other, sometimes without even trying because being able to help each other is in the stars. That's why this linkage is MAGIcal. This is the linkage that COMBINES DESTINIES and it almost has a mystical power and seems to aid the linked persons in anything that they do together so long as they are in love.

(Copyright (c) 1999-2005 The Magi Associates, Inc. All rights reserved.) - Apex v.1.03


[VENUS QUINCUNX YOUR JUNO]
Linkage: ROM/R= +115. SEX/R= +300. CMPT/R= +50. ULTIMATE SUPER SEXUAL LINKAGE. JUNO SUPER LINKAGE. ORGASM LINKAGE. This Juno Linkage is found more often between two lovers than any other linkage. It creates the highest level of sexual attraction and NEED, and it also helps to create the conditions and circumstances necessary for intimate sexual contact to actually occur, whether the two of you are both single or even both married to someone else. This is one reason why Juno rules the AFFAIR.

The major shortcoming of this linkage is that it is a Juno Linkage and all Juno Linkages are deceptive and fleeting in nature - the sexual attraction and need created by this linkage will not last long. While it lasts, you are in lahlah land and all you dream about is having sex with this person; it is as if you are under a spell, and you are. You are under a JUNO SPELL. All Juno Linkages cast spells and all spells will be broken sooner or later. When this spell breaks, if you do not have other strong linkages with this person, you will wonder what you were doing and unless the two of you have Chiron or Vesta Linkages and other strong linkages, your relationship will fall apart.

Venus, Mars and Pluto, the three Sexual Planets, rule sexual ATTRACTION, but Juno rules SEXUAL RELATIONS. The sexual power of Juno Linkages is next to none. In fact, the sexual power of Juno Linkages is overwhelming.

Before Juno Linkages came along, the three Sexual Planets Venus, Mars and Pluto linked with each other to form Sexual Linkages and these linkages were the most powerful at creating sexual attraction. But when Juno entered our astrological lives, we learned that Juno immediately dominated everything in our lives related to sex and overpowered all of the three Sexual Planets. The three Sexual Planets and are all rulers of Sexual Attraction. But Juno is the MATING PLANET; Juno is the SEXUAL SPELL PLANET. Juno is ruler of INTIMACY, SEXUAL INTERCOURSE, ORGASMS and the need for orgasms.

Juno represents having orgasms together.

The difference between Juno and the Sexual Planets can be explained this way:

The Sexual Planets are limited in their sexual power because they only rule sexual ATTRACTION. But attraction between two persons does not mean they will actually become lovers. Two persons can be sexually and romantically attracted to each other and yet never ever actually become lovers. Virtually everyone has had an experience where there was strong mutual attraction but intimacy never occurred. The reason was Sexual Aspects involving only the Sexual Planets but no Juno Linkages.

On the other hand, Juno not merely creates the strongest attraction, it also creates the SEXUAL NEED AND OVERWHELMING DESIRE to have sex with the person.

Juno has dominion over all forms of physical intimacy, including making love. Juno rules the actual sex act and having orgasms. For this reason, unless two persons have a Juno Linkage, they are unlikely to ever make love or have sex together, even if they have a ton of Sexual Linkages and Romance Linkages.

To put it another way:

Juno creates something that the three Sexual Planets do not. Juno creates sexual NEED and ATTACHMENT. It is one thing to be sexually attracted to someone, and it is a whole different condition to NEED someone sexually. Whereas Chiron creates emotional need such as needing someone's love, Juno represents sexual needs such as feeling sexually unfulfilled without being able to have sex with a person, and incessantly dreaming about the person in a sexual way. It is a Juno Spell. This can be good or bad depending on all the rest of the linkages and clashes the two of you form.

One final and important note: the attraction and need created by this linkage is often fleeting. Sometimes it lasts just one weekend (oh what a weekend it was). Whenever you have this Juno Linkage with anyone, you should always remember that Juno is ruler of the AFFAIR, and has nothing to do with true love. There cannot be love without Chiron Linkages.

(Copyright (c) 1999-2005 The Magi Associates, Inc. All rights reserved.) - Apex v.1.03

[MARS CONJUNCT YOUR VENUS]
Linkage: ROM/R= +165. SEX/R= +199. CMPT/R= +135. SEXUAL LINKAGE. This is one of the three Sexual Linkages. Each Sexual Linkage has its own hallmark. The special characteristic of this one is that when you make love together, your bodies are perfectly in synch. You each sense what the other wants and needs without words. For most couples with this linkage, making love is intoxicatingly fluid from the very start all the way through to the usually rapturous wind down. This linkage is equal to the Venus-Pluto linkage as the linkage that is most powerful in actually creating sexual attraction. When the two of you are together, there are times when you literally feel this magnetic attraction. When you are together, your sexual appetites and prowess are at levels that surprise and delight you both. For all these reasons, the sexual ecstasy that is achieved with this linkage is addictive and is often mistaken for love. It is wise to always bear in mind that sex is sex, and love is different and on another level. Only Chiron linkages are signs of love.

(Copyright (c) 1999-2005 The Magi Associates, Inc. All rights reserved.) - Apex v.1.03


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Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon)
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posted May 08, 2010 11:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I am with DD and Got Gemini.

I couldn't believe the stuff that wrote about Sedna and some asteroids.

Also I believe that they cherry pick too much. Why don't they use the other centaurs? Chiron isn't the only centaur. It is one of 60 centaurs in our solar system,and over 12 have names.

Some of their stuff isn't original like Magi 7 charts (actually the 7th harmonics) and Magi Quads (planetary pictures used in Hamburg School/Uranian Astrology).

The declinations were by cosmobiolgists and other astrologers like Charles Jayne and Kit Boerher before Magi Society's books came out.


yeah...I don't agree with their views about Sun trine Moon which is the ego,self expression in harmony with the emotional nature,feelings. I have it natally, and I wouldn't mind having it in synastry like a somebody's Sun or Moon in grand trine to my Sun trine Moon.

Heliocentric Astrology has been used by Philip Sedgwick,and he wrote a book on it called "Sun at the Center" Planetary Nodes are regularly used in that system too.


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posted May 08, 2010 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm, I have to say...the Venus/Juno thing actually sounds right from my experience? Thanks for putting those up Got Gemini? I guess one of the things that I'm having issues with with Magi in terms up understanding it is that I find astrology really interesting from a psychological perspective. The predictive aspect is interesting too, but then too I am more inclined to be interested about it from an energetic/psychological point. These descriptions seem more like accumulations of data and definitive statements and I'm having a hard time getting my head around it. WHY do these aspects work the way they do? I do think Chiron in relationships is really important, it could be because Chiron is opposite my Venus though so those issues always tend to play out for me and I've noticed I end up in relationships where my Venus or Chiron is aspected strongly. Anyway, I had a feeling this topic would turn into a battleground which was not my intention! I have nothing against Magi and am actually really curious about it, I was hoping people who were experienced with using it could share how its been relevant to them and their relationships.

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posted May 08, 2010 11:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for staborgi     Edit/Delete Message
p.s. I wonder how come they see Juno so sexually? Anyone have any insights? Genuinely curious

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posted May 09, 2010 02:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
My 10 yr relationship synastry had

My juno conj his venus
My venus exact conj his eros
Mars cnj my asc
My mars cnj his asc
Venus square mars
Chiron trine mars

All we did was have sex 3-4 times a day for all these years. Maybe juno does rule sex but it never died out, it got better every time and i have never in all these years even during our biggest arguements seen him and not slept with him.
We have no chiron aspects other than mars.

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posted May 09, 2010 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
My 10 yr relationship synastry had

My juno conj his venus
My venus exact conj his eros
Mars cnj my asc
My mars cnj his asc
Venus square mars
Chiron trine mars

All we did was have sex 3-4 times a day for all these years. Maybe juno does rule sex but it never died out, it got better every time and i have never in all these years even during our biggest arguements seen him and not slept with him.
We have no chiron aspects other than mars.

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posted May 09, 2010 02:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
My 10 yr relationship synastry had

My juno conj his venus
My venus exact conj his eros
Mars cnj my asc
My mars cnj his asc
Venus square mars
Chiron trine mars

All we did was have sex 3-4 times a day for all these years. Maybe juno does rule sex but it never died out, it got better every time and i have never in all these years even during our biggest arguements seen him and not slept with him.
We have no chiron aspects other than mars.

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