posted May 10, 2010 08:07 PM            

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I have a retrograde Saturn in the 1st house also. It's not conjunct the Ascendant.

No, I've never felt like I was going to dissolve into molecules. In fact, I feel rather resilient.

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What's my problem, then?

Ami

posted May 11, 2010 01:25 AM            

it is the handle of my bucket
it is in 9th house less than 7 degrees conjunct the Midheaven, and so it's one of the primary Gauquelin sector

Neptune is the planet of dissolution

dissolving into molecules seems more like Neptune

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posted May 11, 2010 04:06 PM            

whatever Neptune aspects, it dissolves boundaries
with Neptune aspecting Sun, ego boundaries are dissolved
with Neptune aspecting Mercury, mental boundaries are dissolved

Trines aren't necessarily a good thing. It's just an easy flow of energy. Trines can be misused.

Neptune in 12th is very powerful placement for Neptune. that alone could indicate strong emphasis of dissolution to the point of feeling very connected to all living things.

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posted May 11, 2010 06:09 PM            

Yeah. I would think that it would be a strong Saturn influence.

Most Astrologers would consider Saturn in 10th house a strong placement because it's in accidental domicile as well as being in an angular house. If it's conjunct the Midheaven, it's even stronger.

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posted May 11, 2010 06:36 PM            

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posted May 11, 2010 06:52 PM            

I am not sure. I think that's more with midpoints that aspect the Sun.

I also wonder if your Sun,Moon,and Saturn aspect each other in one of the minor aspect harmonics.

" I never really thought about it but the sun/moon thing to Saturn feels like added pressure as well. On top of that my sun/moon mp conjuncts my South Node too (in Cancer).
Yuck "

here is what's in Ruth Brummond's Rulebook wrote:

SU.MO.SA.*
+ serious. reserved. self-restrained. disciplined. exercises self-control. slow but
steady. conservative. pragmatic.
Mature or older partner. Partners share problems together. In the evening hours of the day. Serious times. Solitude.
- difficult to contact. inhibited. restricted. oppressed. dejected. depressive. anxious. apprehensive. feels inferior. sluggish. stymied. hard-hearted. contrary.
Mutual difficulties. Boundaries are set. Separation of partners. Isolation. Alienation. Depressions. Man inhibited among the public. Years of emotional difficulties.

SU.MO.NO.
+ socially accessible. giving. warm-hearted. nurturing. caring. active. enterprising. helpful. concerned. sympathetic. benevolent. affectionate. people-oriented. sensitive. complementary.
Relationship between man and wife. Partnership with another. Friendly relationship. Body-and-soul connection. Contact with the mate. Complementary relationship. Daily and hourly contact. Intuitive bond with a man. Interpersonal contact. Popular organization.
- fatalistic. moody. erratic. contrary.

NO.SA.*
+ serious. calm. unperturbed. focused. tenacious. reserved. discreet. self-restrained. socially withdrawn. pragmatic.
Connections with old things or elderly people. Enduring bond. Serious relationship. Shared problems. Bone joint.
- overly conservative. distant. has difficulty in making contact. unsociable. inhibited. restricted. boring. sluggish. prone to shun or flee. hard.
Difficulty in making contact. Problems with another. Difficulties in relationships. Separation in a relationship. Confinement.

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posted May 11, 2010 07:04 PM            

It's true that it makes you feel connected to all living things - but Ami did not mention feeling this way.

I don't think Neptune causes panic/fear about a feeling that you are falling apart - in my experience anyway.

I see Neptune as very placid - watery... calm.. maybe stormy sometimes -- but not inducing panic. It's a different *feel* to me.

Maybe Uranus causes panic.

Ami - I don't experience Saturn Retro in this way. I mentioned it to you before. I just think so many people would have this and they couldn't *all* have this experience.

posted May 11, 2010 07:08 PM            

it could be one of the negatives of Neptune

I have read astrologers write about fears can be connected to Neptune, especially fears of losing one's grip on life,losing one's sanity.

it totally fits with ego disintegration like if you let go of the ego prematurely. I actually read something about that in Glenn Perry's Astro-Psychology textbook in regards to Neptune aspects.

I checked Rex E. Bill's THE RULERSHIP BOOK

page 50
fear,fears,ailments caused by fear
Saturn,Neptune, 12 (8)

Neptune's main keyword is dissolution any way...so dissolving

according to Rex E Bill's THE RULERSHIP BOOK
page 38

dissolution
Neptune,Pisces

dissolving
Neptune,Pisces

I also never said that Neptune was only dissolution in regards to connection to all living things

also ... dissolved to molecules, they will tend to be scattered among the other molecules, and so they would be intermingling with each other in that way,and so there would be a connection.

being connected to everything in life is not necessarily a good thing. It could also mean that you're connected to the negative things in life too.....like people's negativities, fears,anxieties. not just the positive.

Some people believe that depression can be connected to psychic sensitivity. A person wrote a book about that. I had it before,but I lost it.

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posted May 11, 2010 07:21 PM            

With Neptune - even when it is negative - it makes you feel connected - to the ants - to the animals - to the trees.. to everything.
It makes you feel like "I am ONE of them.. and I am ONE with them".

I got the impression Ami felt a disconnect. That is why I'm not sure about Neptune.

posted May 11, 2010 07:34 PM            

a person can be disconnected with Neptune
as in that the person can be so much into his/her imagination or collective unconscious mind that they are oblivious to what's going on around them.

but the thread said dissolution into molecules which means a breaking down into small particles

In the dictionary:
it says for dissolving

dis·solve (di zälv′, -zôlv′

transitive verb, intransitive verb dissolved -·solved′, dissolving -·solv′·ing

1. to make or become liquid; liquefy; melt
2. to merge with a liquid; pass or make pass into solution
3. to break up; disunite; decompose; disintegrate
4. to end by or as by breaking up; terminate
5. to disappear or make disappear http://www.yourdictionary.com/dissolving

from what was being said in the original post, I thought it was meaning to break up, disunite,decompose,disintegrate

that can lead to either a disconnection or a connection.......depends on how it's viewed the person and people outside of them.

A psychiatrist might think that a person who was connected to all things( including things from a very faraway distance like in another state) as being disconnected from "reality" A psychic healer might think that the person is being connected.

This could all be from the energetic boundaries being dissolved from a metaphysical standpoint which could actually just be extremely sensitive in a physiological way if looked at from a practical angle

It really depends on the perception.

"Was just reading that Retro Saturn feels like they must hold themselves together or they will fall apart as in the sense of dissolving in to molecules."

This seems more like a combination of a strong and/or challenged Saturn and Neptune influence.

I can totally relate to what she said.

I have the following

Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition T-Square (Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint)

Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune

so a person might feel that they need to hold themselves together (Saturn) or they will dissolve (Neptune)

also disconnection can also be the transneptunian objects because they go beyond Neptune. They have have greater average distance than Neptune. This goes especially for Sedna which has greatest average distance by far. I'd think one of Sedna's keywords is being "out there"

I have Sun-Sedna opposition in Right Ascension myself, and I feel that way about my ego. I feel that it's even connected to my father who was out of life. He pretty disconnected from my life. I am very sure that led to certain ego issues. Sun being connected to ego,father,archetypal male.

astrologers like Noel Tyl generalize about retrograde Saturn having to with absent father.

so I'd look at Sedna in the chart for people who feel that they have a tendency to dissolve and disconnect that fight hard to keep it together. Saturn can be the planet of compensation,making up for weaknesses. It's a planet connected to stability,structure.

I think the overall chart needs to be looked at and not just the condition of one single planet. The whole big picture.

but Neptune is the planet recognized as the planet of dissolution for better or worse. It can be linked to both connection and disconnection.

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posted May 11, 2010 07:51 PM            

Vapor...you're feeling my Saturn, are you
I'm surprised to hear you say that because I never really thought of the Saturn-ness in me. But my Saturn is 3 or 4 degrees Cancer, my NN is about 4 degrees Capricorn.

Some other spooky Capricorn/Saturn synchronicity in my life include my biological father being a Cap, my Mom having a Cap Moon, and I recently found out that I was conceived around the time of an eclipse in Capricorn