posted June 03, 2010 12:18 AM         

Just wondering should i be reconsider if I have transit neptune opposite my 8th house ruler?

posted June 03, 2010 12:37 AM         

I have put on so much weight around my hips and its making me more depressed. Regardless of what anyone says to me even thought I'm not obese I have been approved for the operation and I want to get it done.

I know uranus my 6th house ruler is square my natal moon which shows a drastic approache to weight loss but the thing that concerns me is saturn and mars in my solar return 6th house this year.

posted June 03, 2010 01:00 AM         

Uranus square Moon could be suggesting an intensity around your most basic needs such as eating. Uranus stressing your Moon also carries a kind of temporary insanity with it. I wouldn't make such an important and dangerous choice like that at this time. Meaning that it's not an emergency. Uranus suggests immaturity as well. Getting a gastric band when you are not obese may not be a great idea. Neptune and Chiron will be traveling through your 6th house for several years. I wouldn't start any kind of health challenges with Chiron in my 6th. Neptune in 6th is the ultimate time for holistic remedies.

posted June 03, 2010 01:03 AM         

Sat is on your ac, so you'll probably lose weight on your own anyway.

posted June 03, 2010 01:19 AM         

Seriously Belgz, you are such a pretty girl that even a bit of extra weight wouldn't look bad but I understand that it's your self perception that matters in this case. I suggest talking to someone professional about this rather than drastic surgery, doctors don't really have mental health training at all.

posted June 03, 2010 01:33 AM         

Saturn in your 1st is making you feel bad about your appearance. It's weird how that happens with sat in the 1st. Same thing happened to me. This was my least favorite transit. The appearance can change with this one, apparently and it hits hard.

But saturn can give you the grit to work out **edit: I forgot about your knee! Maybe you can swim for now? Don't know if you have access to a pool.*** and lose the weight if you do the work. the work can be psychological, like dealing with the trauma you went through.

Now I see why you're so angry with your ex bf.

Read about natal sat conjunct AC/in the 1st. It will tell you about the transit. It is common for natal saturn/1st house people to be self conscious about their appearance (and other things) and to have low self esteem issues as a result until they work (saturn) it all out.

posted June 03, 2010 03:41 AM         

10 kg is not that bad. You were thin before, you wouldn't be overweight. That surgery is for people with serious weight problems. I completely get you about the knees, but honestly - the only thing I would do is swim as much as possible. It will help more than anything.

You don't need other exercise (considering your knee, for now) and you don't need to stop eating.

The eating is only bad if you - sit & eat..
If you're in motion daily .. like swimming daily.. you should be able to lose it.

posted June 03, 2010 05:50 AM         

There is an eclipse on my sun AGAIN this year! Its close to my birthday so I'm thinking i should do it around August? and from what GV said not on a day theres a full moon...

Diablo,

posted June 03, 2010 06:10 AM         

Sorry for being so opinionated but you're absolutely gorgeous and it really hurts to see someone hate on themselves so badly and beat up on themselves.

Your self esteem has been absolutely shattered and your knee makes it worse cos you can't do anything about it. And it'd be 100x harder to get up and work out on it in pain, I could not imagine being immobile like that, it would drive me insane.

I'm going to make a slight suggestion here as to what could be the case..have you ever heard of Body Dysmorphic Disorder?? It just sounds with all the stuff you've gone through that this is all a part of something bigger that's affecting you, your functionality, confidence and self esteem..

I'm not trying to be rude or anything, honestly. I just want ppl to get the right help for their problems.

BODY DYSMORPHIC DISORDER

Signs and symptoms

There are many common symptoms and behaviors associated with BDD. Often, these symptoms and behaviours are determined by the nature of the BDD sufferer's perceived defect; for example, use of cosmetics is most common in those with a perceived skin defect. Due to this perception dependency, many BDD sufferers will only display a few common symptoms and behaviors.
[edit] Symptoms

Common symptoms of BDD include:

* Obsessive thoughts about (a) perceived appearance defect(s).

* Obsessive and compulsive behaviors related to perceived appearance defect(s) (see section below).

* Major depressive disorder symptoms.

* Delusional thoughts and beliefs related to perceived appearance defect(s).

* Social and family withdrawal, social phobia, loneliness and self-imposed social isolation.

* Suicidal ideation.

* Anxiety; possible panic attacks.

* Chronic low self-esteem.

* Feeling self-conscious in social environments; thinking that others notice and mock their perceived defect(s).

* Strong feelings of shame.

* Avoidant personality: avoiding leaving the home, or only leaving the home at certain times, for example, at night.

* Dependent personality: dependence on others, such as a partner, friend or family.

* Inability to work or an inability to focus at work due to preoccupation with appearance.

* Decreased academic performance (problems maintaining grades, problems with school/college attendance).

* Problems initiating and maintaining relationships (both intimate relationships and friendships).

* Alcohol and/or drug abuse (often an attempt to self-medicate).

* Repetitive behavior (such as constantly (and heavily) applying make-up; regularly checking appearance in mirrors; see section below for more associated behavior).

* Seeing slightly varying image of self upon each instance of observing a mirror or reflective surface.

* Note: any kind of body modification may change one's appearance. There are many types of body modification that do not include surgery/cosmetic surgery. Body modification (or related behavior) may seem compulsive, repetitive, or focused on one or more areas or features that the individual perceives to be defective.

[edit] Compulsive behaviors

Common compulsive behaviors associated with BDD include:

* Compulsive mirror checking, glancing in reflective doors, windows and other reflective surfaces.

* Alternatively, an inability to look at one's own reflection or photographs of oneself; also, the removal of mirrors from the home.

* Attempting to camouflage the imagined defect: for example, using cosmetic camouflage, wearing baggy clothing, maintaining specific body posture or wearing hats.

* Use of distraction techniques: an attempt to divert attention away from the person's perceived defect, e.g. wearing extravagant clothing or excessive jewelry.

* Excessive grooming behaviors: skin-picking, combing hair, plucking eyebrows, shaving, etc.

* Compulsive skin-touching, especially to measure or feel the perceived defect.

* Becoming hostile toward people for no known reason, especially those of the opposite sex, or same sex if same-sex attracted.

* Seeking reassurance from loved ones.

* Excessive dieting or exercising, working on outside appearance.

* Self-harm

* Comparing appearance/body parts with that/those of others, or obsessive viewing of favorite celebrities or models whom the person suffering from BDD wishes to resemble.

* Compulsive information-seeking: reading books, newspaper articles and websites that relate to the person's perceived defect, e.g. hair loss or being overweight.

* Obsession with plastic surgery or dermatological procedures, often with little satisfactory results (in the perception of the patient).

* In extreme cases, patients have attempted to perform plastic surgery on themselves, including liposuction and various implants with disastrous results.

* Excessive enema use.

posted June 03, 2010 06:23 AM         

I am overweight. I'm not making it up. It's not Medicare paying for it. It's my work who is paying and I got assessed my a specialist and my GP and also the insurance company on whether it was the right decision and they believe they agreed that I could get it done.

Look what Susan Millers horoscope says for cancer in July in regards to eclipses....

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Protect your health under this eclipse and the one July 11, for if there is anything that could give you pause health-wise, it would come up now. This is because the eclipse would want to help by showing you the situation so you could get medical or dental advice. With a full moon in Capricorn, I would suggest you watch bones and teeth.

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posted June 03, 2010 06:49 AM         

I'm sure you checked your BMI, your ideal weight for you height etc etc?? I don't take notice of it cos I'm way too underweight for my height but the doctor told me years ago it was normal for my body type. You probably are "overweight", but its not like its by 20-40 kgs.
Did the doctor even recommend a dietician, nutritionist, healthy eating plans?? Lol it doesn't matter, you've made your decision anyways. But please give it a bit more thought until this horrible transit is over.

....It's not like I can talk anyways, this week I've been thinking seriously about a nose job and breast implants as well as the gym to get rid of this pot belly gut, with IPulse to "rejuvinate" my skin and get rid of the dark bags under my eyes while contemplating how such a change would impact on my life and self perception..*sigh*

Ohh my, it's not gonna be a good month for us Cancerians, is it? It seems like we're gonna be copping it hard left, right and centre. Well, im booked in for a pap test and I'm hoping results come back ok. The only thing that's concerning me health wise is mentally, i've started seeing my psychiatrist again for depression.

You know what sucks?? The eclipse is gonna happen on the 26th, my bday is on the 27th. I'll be clubbing it up and taking advantage of Melbourne's famous nightlife and hopefully miss the intensity of it

Having your ASC, sun & moon in cardinal signs isn't looking too fun either for this cardinal t-square coming up on the 26th july..yaaay

posted June 03, 2010 10:23 AM         

I personally know someone who had eight emergency bowel obstructions last year from this procedure gone wrong. She can no longer eat solid foods and when she came to visit me, well her spirit was high, but she looks like a skeleton. She is a very courageous and brave soul. Her husband also had the procedure and has had some problems.

Just please do your research. As someone who lives with massive adhesions from abdominal and female surgeries myself, surgery is invasive and should be a last resort. Scar tissue is a natural process as the body attempts to repair itself from the trauma. I have personally been told that most surgeons in their right mind wouldn't touch me unless I am at risk for death since my insides are a tangled mess.

I have had body issues all my life, too. I am a walking example of don't judge me on my outer appearance. I work incredibly hard to manage my dysfunctions.

posted June 03, 2010 10:49 AM         

be careful with the surgery.
You say you are not obese, and you KNOW what you are doing wrong; quite bluntly spoken: Get you bum up and get ACTIVE again.

Sorry to be that blunt, but you are risking very much for 10 kilos.
Even after that surgery it doesn`t mean that everything in your life will get creamy and peachy. You will not SUDDENLY be a happier person (if you are really depressed, and if not, all the better ).

On top of that you will need to take some medicaments on a regular basis.
I have a friend who has had this surgery 2 years ago (she really was obese), and she has to get regular B12 shots, as her stomach can`t produce this vitamine itself anymore after the surgery. And she has to take some other meds because of that.

On top of that, you will live on soup for a very long time after surgery. And even after your stomach has grown used to the band (and there are risks that it won´t), you won`t be able to eat like you did before. Now for an obese person that may be actually be positive, but for someone who is not obese?

I am actually quite shocked that any doctor would agree with such a heavy surgery for 10 kilos overweight.
I find that highly irresponsible from your doctor to be honest.

If the weight makes you depressed, you maybe should investigate what was the trigger of it.
PRobably the depression was there before, and you started overeating because of what caused the depression.

What went wrong in your life the months before you started putting on weight?
Why did you stop working out, if you did before?
Why did you withdraw (if you did)?
Why do you "dislike" yourself or your life?
What do you think you have to punish yourself for?
What are you running away from?

Overweight is a symptom, not a cause!

If nothing of that relates to you, forget I said anything.

I just think having a surgery for almost nothing is not a good idea. But that is my subjective viewpoint.

posted June 03, 2010 10:59 AM         

"What to expect afterwards
You will need to rest until the effects of the anaesthetic have passed. You may need pain relief to help with any discomfort as the anaesthetic wears off.

You may have a catheter to drain urine from your bladder into a bag. You may also have fine tubes running out from the wound. These drain fluid into another bag and are usually removed after a day or two. You may also be given fluids through a drip overnight.

You may have an X-ray taken the morning after your operation to check the gastric band is in the correct position, but this isn't always necessary.

On the first day, you may have to wear special pads, attached to an intermittent compression pump, on your lower legs. The pump inflates the pads and encourages healthy blood flow in your legs and helps to prevent deep vein thrombosis (DVT).

You will be encouraged to get out of bed and move around as this helps prevent blood clots in your legs and chest infections. You may also have a further heparin injection to prevent blood clots.

For the first 24 hours you will only be allowed to drink clear fluids. After this your surgeon or dietitian will start you on a liquid or pureed diet for the first few weeks.

You will need to follow a strict diet and make some lifestyle changes to get the best results from your operation. Your dietician and surgeon will give you more advice about what you can and can't eat or drink and what changes you need to make.

You will usually be able to go home the day after your operation. You will need to arrange for someone to drive you home.

Your nurse will give you some advice about caring for your healing wounds before you go home and give you a date for a follow-up appointment. You will need to make several repeat visits to the hospital for band adjustments.

Dissolvable stitches will disappear on their own in seven to 10 days. Non-dissolvable stitches are removed a week after surgery.

Recovering from a gastric band operation
If you need pain relief, you can take over-the-counter painkillers such as paracetamol or ibuprofen. Follow the instructions in the patient information leaflet that comes with the medicine and ask your pharmacist for advice.

General anaesthesia can temporarily affect your coordination and reasoning skills, so you should not drive, drink alcohol, operate machinery or sign legal documents for 48 hours afterwards.

Follow your surgeon's advice about driving and please contact your motor insurer so that you are aware of their recommendations. You shouldn't drive until you are confident that you could perform an emergency stop without discomfort. This is usually about two weeks after the operation.

Full recovery from a gastric band operation can take two to three weeks.

What are the risks?
A gastric band operation is commonly performed and generally safe. However, in order to make an informed decision and give your consent, you need to be aware of the possible side-effects and the risk of complications of this procedure.

Side-effects
These are the unwanted, but mostly temporary effects of a successful treatment, for example feeling sick as a result of the general anaesthetic.

You are likely to have some bruising, pain and swelling of the skin around the healing wounds.

You may feel or be sick after eating, especially if you try to eat too much. Your restricted diet may cause some shortage of nutrients so you may need to take multivitamin tablets.

Complications
This is when problems occur during or after the operation. Most people are not affected. The possible complications of any operation include an unexpected reaction to the anaesthetic, excessive bleeding or developing a blood clot, usually in a vein in the leg (DVT).

Complications specific to a gastric band operation are listed here.

Infection - antibiotics are usually given during surgery to prevent infection. If an infection doesn't respond to antibiotics your band may need to be removed. Damage to other organs in your abdomen - you may need further surgery to repair any damage. Band problems - your band may slip out of place, leak, or work its way through the stomach wall. If this happens, your band may need to be repositioned, removed or replaced. Gallstones - there is a risk you may develop gallstones if you lose weight quickly. These can be painful and you may need surgery to remove them. Your surgeon may advise removing your gallbladder when you have your operation. There is a chance your surgeon may need to convert your keyhole procedure to open surgery. This means making a bigger cut on your abdomen. This is only done if it's impossible to complete the operation safely using the keyhole technique.

Around one in 10 people with a gastric band may need another gastric band operation in the future. It's also possible you may fail to lose sufficient weight or regain weight you have lost. If this happens your surgeon may recommend you have gastric bypass surgery.

The exact risks are specific to you and will differ for every person, so we have not included statistics here. Ask your surgeon to explain how these risks apply to you.

Further information
Association for the Study of Obesity (ASO)
020 8503 2042 www.aso.org.uk British Obesity Surgery Patients Association (BOSPA)
08456 02 04 46"
http://hcd2.bupa.co.uk/fact_sheets/html/gastric_band.html#3

You said your mind is set, but you really should have as many informations as possible.

posted June 03, 2010 11:13 AM         

Saturn in the 6th on your ASC - I don`t know. ASC is your body, and Saturn in 6th could relate to surgery, it is squaring your Neptune on your IC, and also squaring Solar Pluto, plus squaring your natal Moon-NN conjunction.

posted June 03, 2010 03:15 PM         

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What about when you want to have a baby and need to put on weight to be able to carry it healthily to full term?? Your body won't be getting the nourishment is needs to sustain a pregnancy cos you'll have a few mouthfuls and feel full. Sorry, I'm quite ignorant on the details of this procedure but these are the things I'd be worrying or thinking about in terms of consequences and regrets.

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This is a manifestation of what I said about saturn conjunct the AC, being permanent for good or bad.

Belgz, you always say how much you want a baby, maybe this surgery will make it harder for you to get pregnant or carry a baby to term. You should really think about this. You can always get this surgery later, but once you get it, there's no going back. You should give it some time. Try to lose weight on your own. Saturn is NOT about the quick fix. I think you will lose it once your knee is better.

posted June 03, 2010 04:06 PM         

You, as a person who has Jupiter ruling your cerebral 3rd house conjunct Uranus, you seem to make what at first may seem like "genius" decisions. You may also make lightening quick decisions with a pie in the sky type of feeling to them, but later on realize that it wasn't the greatest idea to take action on such a decision.

I'll use the grandmother's bank account situation where you knew as a bank employee you shouldn't have taken the actions you took without the proper rules in place. Now this decision to have a band placed on your stomach because you are 10 kilos overweight needs to be assessed in more of a serious manner. So what if your doctor says it's OK. The fallen economy is affecting everyone including the medical community. Whether you pay for it or your job and/or an insurance company doesn't matter. This is YOUR body that you're taking a risk with. If it was a face lift or a nose job or something like that, it would be a different story, but your playing games with your digestive system.

My opinion is that any doctor who puts a band on the stomach of a person because they are 10 kilos overweight should be thrown under the prison and I don't think I need to tell how I feel about insurance companies in this day and age.

By the way, Susan Miller forgot to include the word "skin" in her assessment of the Capricorn full Moon. Saturn/Capricorn rules skin as well which is what the surgeon will cut into to get to your stomach.