posted June 14, 2010 08:13 AM            

SCIENCE

Asteroid 211 Isolda is a large, main belt asteroid, discovered on December 1oth 1879 by Johann Palisa. Taking between six to seven years to orbit the Sun, Isolde spends six to seven months in each sign, orbit and retrograde dependent.

Asteroid 1966 Tristan is a main belt asteroid, discovered on September 24th, 1960 by a group of astronomers at Paloma University. Please access the link provided for their individual names. Tristan takes just over three years to orbit the Sun, spending roughly three to four months in each sign, retrograde and orbit dependent.

LEGEND

The romantic tragedy of the Cornish Knight, Tristan and his beloved Irish princess, Iseult – has been sighed over for generations. You see, once upon a time, there was a beautiful princess who was destined to marry the King of a foreign land. Back in those days, marriages were often the gifted offering of peace and trouble had brewed through the Celtic world for quite some time. King Mark sent his nephew, Tristan, across land and sea to fetch to him his promised bride, Iseult. It is whispered that the young couple fell madly in love and partook of a love potion so that their passion would never die.

To share a life of love together was not to be. Iseult married King Mark and in the secrecy of darkened nights and the deception of spells, their love prospered through a torrid, passionate, and illegal affair. Rumours did rumble around the castle, but the love sick duo did whatever they could with their magical toolbox to keep their love well hidden from his uncle and her husband. Yet, as is karma and often fate, King Mark did learn of the affair and was livid. Punishment was set. Tristan was to be imprisoned and Iseult sent to reside on an island of leper’s. Yet Tristan escapes, and sweeping Iseult onto his horse, they dash to what is to be their freedom.

But alas, King Mark locates them deep within the forest. Shattered by their betrayal but still maintaining his compassionate dignity, he agrees to save them from death if Tristan leaves the country forever and Tristan returns with her King.

Tristan leaves Cornwall and meets a new love, marrying her due to her name Iseult, and her beauty. Their story continues, despite her continued marriage to the King and the addition of his new bride. Tristan becomes wounded and is dying. Pining for the love of his original Irish princess, he sends a messenger to collect her, convinced she is the only one who can save him. Legend states that if her ship returns toting white sails, she is coming to him, if the sails are black, then she is not. Iseult of the White Hands, his replacement bride, sees the white sails on the horizon and tells her husband that the sails are black. Believing that his one true love, Iseult, had received his message and obviously deserted him, he dies. Rushing to his death bed, a dismayed Iseult collapses and dies, also passing into the other realm with a broken and empty heart.

ASTROLOGY

To locate asteroid 211 Isolda and asteroid 1966 Tristan in your natal chart, head over to astro.com or serennu.com. Keep your orbs reasonably tight and I already know you are using whatever aspects you desire

Tristan and Isolda are another area in your chart that indicate romantic desires and possibility. Akin to Psyche and Eros, Persephone and Hades, it is romantic legend that has spanned thousands of years, so the tale is obviously something the heart and psyche respond to.

In Isolda, you have love, passion, infidelity. The true instance where there can be a shared love for two people. King Mark is deemed a good man, and yes, whilst this mythology does predate King Arthur, it is extremely similar. Perhaps rulership is a strong indicator of this example. Without being too stereotypical, one could easily envisage that Gemini, Libra, Leo and Capricorn genuinely torn between two sincere love interests. This legend is not about relationship connection on a purely physical or sexual basis. It is a deep commitment to two people and a sincere division of love, the tearing of the deepest loyalties of all.

In Tristan, you have love, passion, fidelity, dedication and devotion. You also have heartbreak, defeat, broken loyalty and disappointment. Ultimately, Tristan married a replica of his true love, even down to the name! Perhaps Tristan represents the spot in your chart that is the indicator of your first love, or a lover where you never truly heal.

In transit, activation of natal Isolda and Tristan indicate romantic passion, love at first sight, new love, perhaps an affair if married, or romantic upheaval due to the involvement of a third party.

Other possibilities, when we consider the truth behind this romance, a token bride of peace, falling in love with who should be her husband really, on the journey to her fate – we can equate it to the modern rendition of falling in love with the garbage collector, but marrying the millionaire. Or, alternatively, it can still relate to those who endure cultures that still promote arranged marriages.

Possible Keywords:- love, passion, love at first sight, first love, love affair, fidelity, infidelity, cheating on spouse, manipulation, lies, deceit in a relation, flirting, loyalty, torn loyalty, devotion, heartbreak" http://ravenesque.net/2010/05/asteroid-profile-tristan-and-isolde/

Share your astrological and personal insights and experiences.

posted June 14, 2010 09:06 AM              

really,i agree with PA in this..seems so similar to king arthur/lancelot/guinevere´s Story.

i love all of them really,my venus and mars in Leo love the drama of an eternal love,all of its challenges,battles and knights fighting for the lady.

im a hopeless romantic.

well i dont know if the placements in the sinastry would show the relationhips of ones that although in love cannot be together,but surelly in mine shows that 1st love that can never be forgotten:

his Isolda/Pluto/Saturn cj my Tyche
my Isolda/Jup/Urans cj his Ceres/Mars/Uranus

my Tristan/pholus/VX cj his MC
his Tristan cj my SN.opose PF and trine Venus

TRista/Moon DW

DRACONIC

my ISOLDA cj his TRISTAN 0º

my Tristan/pholus/VX cj his Karma

his ISOLDA cj my AntiVertex

his Tristan trine my Valentine

Somewho this makes me wonder...if we could not have been able to be together in the Past....

in our tropical composite Isolda is cj Jupiter in the 3rd.trine valentine.

posted June 14, 2010 10:00 AM            

I agree for most part of what you said, except for a tiny little bit on Arthur / Guinevere / Lancelot. I think we already discussed it and came to the conclusion that we have varying views on this one.

While I think you are right about Tristan being Isolde`s love, and King Mark being a "choice of reason", I think things were a bit different between Arthur and Guinevere.
Several variation of this tale have it that Guinevere truely loved and respected and admired Arthur.
As I see it, Guinevere loved both men, but she was passionate about Lancelot, while her love for Arthur had a calmer quality.

Anyway, yes, Tristan to me, also represents the man you love, but for some reason can`t be that.

Does it surprise you that Paul`s Isolde is conjunct my Tristan and his Tristan trines my Isolde?
And in the composite there is an absolutely exact trine of Isolde and Tristan, with Isolda falling on my Moon (and his SN) and Tristan opposing his natal Sun.

That is just such a perfect fit!

Diandra,

posted June 14, 2010 10:05 AM              

i got it.

what a relief

but your aspects doenst mean necessarily that you cannot be together forever,right?just as exists the myth tristan & isolda,there might be several other ones,aspects that might indicate otherwise.

posted June 14, 2010 10:19 AM            

no, no aspects show that something is "doomed forever". I think these themeasteroids just show that there might be similiar patterns in a relationship,w hen those are strong.

In this case it does make sense though, as we really can`t be together.

posted June 14, 2010 10:53 AM            

oh and yes, of course there are several other "asteroid themes" in the synastry / composite, too.
Looking at the composite "asteroid-couples" actually almost makes me laugh, as there are so many "couple-aspects".

° Adonis trine Inannen (3)

° Isis conjunct Osiris (2)
° Ptah conjunct Sekhmet (0)
° Caesar conjunct Kleopatra (2)
° Echnaton square Nofretete (2)
° Amenhotep opposes Nofretete (0)
° Tuthmosis conjunct Hatshepsut (0)

° Siva inconjunct Parvati (0)

° Eros opposite Psyche (1)
° Pluto square Persephone (3)
° Mars opposes Aphrodite (3)

° Tristan trine Isolda (with 0°04 orb°)
° Lancelot opposes Guinevere (3)

posted June 14, 2010 11:59 AM              

MAYBE seeing all those aspects,and being mostly hard....contribute to that part of the "pain" attatched to it?

posted June 14, 2010 01:00 PM            

"cause there is only one person with whom you dont feel that "darkest vibe" or tragery"
Yes, you are right. I usually feel the darker vibes or "tragedy" in most of my "connections / synastries".
But this one guy, the darkness just isn`t there. He feels like "light" to me, if you know what I mean. Maybe we have had a joyful past l ife experience together.

posted June 14, 2010 03:29 PM            

his Tristan/osiris
cj my chiron exact (healing through love?)
square my briede
opp my boda/eros

his Isolda
cj my sun/moon MP

my tristan
cj his briede/groom MP and sextile his destinn/sun-moon MP

My Isolda
cj his destinn 1' and his sun/moon MP

posted June 15, 2010 02:48 AM            

My tristan cj his DESC 0' 15

His tristan cj my IC 1'

My Isolda cj his MC 3'
And OPP his sun

His isolda conjuncts my destinn and sappho 1' , eros, pluto and osiris 2'

posted June 15, 2010 09:13 AM            

Another thread that floors me!

I have my Tristan Conjunct his Isolde
And his Tristan sextile my Isolde with that same guy and it opposes my Uranus.

And what's more his Isolde falls in my 7th house....and
is conjunct my DC.

And my Isolde and Tristan are conjunct by 7 degrees in my natal chart and his Sun is conjunct there mid point....while my Saturn/Angel/Valentine/Spirit opposes it.

What's more the day we first talked and I realized something was there.....

Transiting Tristan was conjunct his Isolde exactly on that day in his 1st house.
And transiting Isolde was trining his Tristan.

For Tristan was transiting my 7th house and had just left a conjunction with my Tristan and Isolde.
And transiting Isolde was in my 5th house sextiling Tristan.

Clearly the Energy is there....What's more is this guy has been in 18year relationship....more out of his Taurans moons dislike of change than because he wanted to, though he has made the best of it the relationship has not always been a source of joy should I say....and it has of late become an open relationship, right before he met me he thought that was what he wanted because he still loves the other guy deeply.....but he says that I am his heart...and I was from the moment I smile...and that I am transforming his view of love....... and he has to put things in order in his personal life because his heart tells him we were meant to be and this disrupting for him...but he knew some where deep down this was about to happen.
Its hard for him though...18 years......that's along time with anyone...to all of a sudden fall in love with someone else....
But he soooooo good to me with everything....and has already moved his stuff out....and is getting ready to tackle the legalities of everything.
The thing is he couldn't help it...he has been honest with the other guy from the start. But of course the other guy never expected this nor deserves this either......

Its a very Tristan and Isolde situation.....in fact he said to me that he would fight to be with me this lifetime even if it kills us both.....we will die trying to be true to our hearts this time....

What's more is my Isolde and Tristan are conjunct on my DC......and I have had several lifetimes where I died with a broken heart....at least one with this very soul....we have not been together many lifetimes but in the ones we were....I died with a broken heart and I feel that fear DEEP down....but I don't let it activate anything.

Its taken every bit of Energy we have, both him and I to turn this ship around...

And tristan and isolde are conjunct in my 7th and in his 1st.

I would also like to share that I found out recently that that is why I was born with such a sad little heart and Saturn in the 12th....I am and was a happy little boy....but I have always carried a deep sadnesss in my soul that only 30 years later am I finally able to transmute.....sorry to get so involved here....but this was a deep one for me...

Thanks again DD

posted June 15, 2010 09:37 AM            

But I think it is so amazing that both of you can be truely open and honest with each other. That is what I understand to be a true soulmate relationship, or at least a vital ingredient of it, this openness and honesty, towards each other and yourselves.

And yes it is very Tristan and Isolde like.
Interestingly on that site they say that Tristan and Isolde may be activated by transit when you experience love at first sight.
I haven`t checked my own though.

Actually I am juggling the synastries with a few here, staring openmouthed at the pattern that are unfolding there. lol

EDIT:
LOL Funnily, when I met this guy, there was an one degree conjunction of Tristan and Isolde in the mid of Leo.

posted June 15, 2010 09:50 AM              

what a story really.

but im happy that youve found each other again.

posted June 15, 2010 10:05 AM            

anytime, honey.

posted June 15, 2010 10:33 AM            

I know right Diandra.....its a different relationship for me. It doesn't help that he is so hott that I can barely stand it....one sound of that British accent...one look at those Piscean blue eyes and one sweet sincere smile with a hint of mischief and it was a wrap.
Of course I have my ways of enchantment too....neither of us stood a chance against each other I guess...haha..

posted June 15, 2010 11:21 AM              

how cute!

DD