posted June 17, 2010 12:41 AM         

What is the Mars/Jupiter midpoint about ? Does anyone know? My midpoint for these two planets is at 20 degrees Pisces (opposing my sun by 1 degree) and falls into my 11th house. I realize both of these planets are 'masculine' in nature, so it feels like my ego-less sun needs some lift or something ?? Though my Aries moon seems like quite enough ...?

Any ideas here???

posted June 17, 2010 07:24 AM         

I can't help you out but I know DD is awesome at midpoints etc & I know how to conjure her up, lol.

**inserting bait**

posted June 17, 2010 10:40 AM         

Oh well, i've got forever to wait

posted June 17, 2010 11:35 AM         

I mean, my planets make aspects to Mars but my Saturn actually makes no aspects itself. Like, no Saturn conj. Mars or anything like that.

I read somewhere that an unaspected Saturn means that you don't have karma to work through (well, i dont mean absolutely NOoooo karma but you get the gist) so it'd be interesting to see what a sun that makes no aspects means in a natal chart.

posted June 17, 2010 01:34 PM         

That bait kills me. You have the strategic brilliance of a war general.

Maybe Jude needs reinforcements today?

posted June 17, 2010 01:46 PM         

I haven't read much about midpoints. Just observed them on my own. From that, I see the aspected planet (in your case, the Sun) as holding within it the expression of the midpoint planets (Mars and Jupiter).

I have a Mars-Jupiter cnj myself, and I can absolutely see that influence in you. It can make people bold, interested in philosophy and social issues, and adventurous. I also think of it as granting a love for la dolce vita, but then I also have that trine Venus so maybe that's what makes me adore those planets as a lifestyle. It's about taking enjoyment in the rustic, simple pleasures in life. Since your midpoint config involves the 5th house, I think Mars/Jupiter probably plays out similarly for you.

So your Mars and Jupiter express themselves through your 5th house Sun. Mars and Jupiter are lit up and energized. This contributes to you not strongly identifying with Virgo, since those planets are so not Virgoan by nature.

If you're looking for alternate outlets for your Sun, I'd say find planets that are on your Sun's midpoints. For example, does anything aspect your Sun/Asc or Sun/MC midpoints?

Also, dispositors are so important. Yours is Mercury and I believe you have it cnj Pluto? Your Mercury holds within it a Sun persona. So if you're looking for ways to please your Sun, Mercury can be your guide there. (Actually, dispositor-Pluto conjunction matches your career pretty well! Your Sun holding Mars-Jupiter probably is craving something more wild?)

posted June 18, 2010 12:55 AM         

Yes, a lot of what you say makes sense. I know my sun/moon mp conj my natal Saturn as well in Cancer, and I've looked at the ruler of my sun conj pluto as a major player.
I do have a LOT of Saturn energy in my chart too, with the sun/moon=saturn aspect, and I have a Cappy MC as well as Saturn sq my mercury, 7th house cusp (exactly!), trine my Venus and sextile my Mars. Saturn, Saturn, Saturn!

posted June 18, 2010 01:53 AM         

Jupiter/Chiron
Mercury/Jupiter
Moon/Mars

posted June 18, 2010 02:31 AM         

I kind of felt you didn't love the spotlight - so it's interesting to find out you have mp aspects which fall in the house of 'the spotlight'... i kind of associate the 5th house with a type of glamor.

posted June 18, 2010 02:47 AM         

It is weird that I would have the creativity, but not the need to get into the spotlight. I think I mentioned elsewhere that I loved the Old Bollywood for how expressive it was through song and dance though. I guess I'm only comfortable with it when other people do it. Or if everyone else is doing, then I'll do it...LOL.

I have a very private sun, moon, and 12th house and they're more integrated with the rest of my chart. Maybe that's where the conflict arises.

posted June 18, 2010 03:51 AM         

No DD?

That's unheard of & I think she saw it & refused to make a comment just to spite me.

Then it's time for stronger bait....

I won't stand for her being such a witch, I won't! I'll start a war if I have too. How Libran is that?

EDIT - Jane

I love that picture of Jude you had chosen. His eyes are divine in that shot. YumOh.

posted June 18, 2010 11:55 AM         

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But the idea of the unaspected sun alone to a hard aspect to a midpoint interests me - I am a little confused tho because, is it supposed to be expressed in a 5th house way (where my sun is?) or an 11th house way (the house the mars/jupiter midpoint falls in) ?

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Good question! In a way it's both. I think the mp's nature (including its sign and house) comes out through the planet's nature.

Midpoints are dependent on planetary contact for us to feel them.

The planet is the mp's interpreter. How the mp comes alive depends on how the planet can "read" it. Your 5th house Sun will read mp's very differently from your Saturn! I'm sure you can tell me all about that.

Also, the planet can't stop reading the mp. The mp is an integral part of the planet.

So in this case, your Piscean 11th house Mars/Jupiter mp is triggered and made into something you can perceive through your Virgoan 5th house Sun. The Virgo influence wants to analyze and fix - so that explains the debate and problem-solving. The Sun and 5th house influences make you feel so alive as you're doing it.

posted June 18, 2010 11:58 AM         

I've never been able to stop myself at just a nibble. Hear that, DD! I'm going to devour Jude!

Nevermind, I think I can control myself...

posted June 20, 2010 03:28 PM         

BM - I wanna see those pics when you're done
Actually, you have helped because I think we have the opposite thing going on house-wise with the 5th/11th house axis deal. And your 12th house of course.

posted June 20, 2010 05:35 PM         

Sun conjunct Mars/Jupiter midpoint is mainly the ego,self expression,vitality combines with the integration of assertion,passion,physical drive and expansion,judgment,optimism

According to Ruth Brummond Rulebook,
Sun-Mars-Jupiter configuration:

SU.MA.JU
+ enterprising. enjoys one's work. eager. goal-oriented. optimistic. venturesome. circumspect. has foresight. good at organizing. works independently. handy. acquisitive. positive in outlook. fair. proud. athletic. assertive.
Successful work of a man. Good luck in work. To be satisfied with one's job. Profits due to actions. Beneficial undertaking. Fair actions. Favorable decisions. Financial profession. Attainment of possessions. Optimism. Healthy sex life. Procreation. Birth of a child. Legal actions. To work on recovery of health. Days full of work. Years of success in work.
- impulsive. prideful.

If you want a midpoint configuration, Mars/Jupiter midpoint is one of the midpoints that you want in your chart.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted June 20, 2010 06:24 PM         

a midpoint doesn't have to be activated by a planet or angle for it to have significance

a midpoint aspecting another midpoint can have significance

The conjunction,opposition especially

That's what Hamburg School/Uranian Astrologers refers to as "planetary picture"

Magi Society refers to as "Magi Quad"

David Colchrane refers to as "Isosceles Trapezoid"

for example:

I have a conjunction of:
Moon/Neptune midpoint in 17'29 Capricorn
Mars/Jupiter midpoint in 17'05 Capricorn

I use no more than 1 degree maximum orb that David Cochrane recommends. He pays close attention to configurations that have an orb of half a degree or less.
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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement