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Topic: help me out here please?
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2773 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 12:41 AM
I have an unaspected sun and I read somewhere that unaspected planets in general get their best 'out' or expression through a hard aspect to a midpoint. Well, I've looked, and the only thing i can find is an opposition to my Mars/Jupiter midpoint (1st house/10th house - and they're sq in my natal chart). What is the Mars/Jupiter midpoint about ? Does anyone know? My midpoint for these two planets is at 20 degrees Pisces (opposing my sun by 1 degree) and falls into my 11th house. I realize both of these planets are 'masculine' in nature, so it feels like my ego-less sun needs some lift or something ?? Though my Aries moon seems like quite enough ...? Any ideas here??? I guess with the whole Pisces thing it's fitting that I am a spiritual counselor, though frankly, it wears on my nerves a LOT lately and I have been really bored by it. So.... what else lol? IP: Logged |
Spanky Butler Knowflake Posts: 836 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 07:24 AM
Hi MVM,I can't help you out but I know DD is awesome at midpoints etc & I know how to conjure her up, lol. **inserting bait**
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 1721 From: US Registered: Dec 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 09:10 AM
Very Cute! I am reading some books, MVM, and am on the chapters about Sun/moon. It talked about an unaspected sun. It said that it is hard to attain your own masculine side.You can feel lost from your own masculine drives such as ego drive etc. Is that true? I will read more today and get back. x o Ami IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 1669 From: Planet love :) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 10:08 AM
Lol @ spanky the bate ALWAYS works Well i have mars unaspected and it is exactly conjunct my sun/moon midpoint. I wonder what that means too. IP: Logged |
MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 740 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 10:11 AM
I wanted to "help" but I've got nothin'. Hope the bait works. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2773 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 10:40 AM
Whaaaat, the bait's not working so far Oh well, i've got forever to wait Ami...no, i have absolutely zero problem with my masculine side. it's very, very well-integrated. i think the sun is more associated with ego-expression and when it's unaspected it needs a direction because it can just wander. i don't associate that with masculinity necessarily, at all.
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 1721 From: US Registered: Dec 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 10:44 AM
Yes,MVM, you don't seem like you have a problem with a weak ego. I thought that, too, as I was writing the post. x o Ami
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Diablo Knowflake Posts: 443 From: Melbourne, Australia Registered: May 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 11:35 AM
I can't say I have much experience with midpoints at all and is definitely something I need to start learning about but what I can say is that I have a Saturn that makes no aspects to any planets.I mean, my planets make aspects to Mars but my Saturn actually makes no aspects itself. Like, no Saturn conj. Mars or anything like that. I read somewhere that an unaspected Saturn means that you don't have karma to work through (well, i dont mean absolutely NOoooo karma but you get the gist) so it'd be interesting to see what a sun that makes no aspects means in a natal chart. Thanks MVM, you just gave me something to research on IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 768 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 01:34 PM
Spanky -That bait kills me. You have the strategic brilliance of a war general. Maybe Jude needs reinforcements today? IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 768 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 01:46 PM
MVM -I haven't read much about midpoints. Just observed them on my own. From that, I see the aspected planet (in your case, the Sun) as holding within it the expression of the midpoint planets (Mars and Jupiter). I have a Mars-Jupiter cnj myself, and I can absolutely see that influence in you. It can make people bold, interested in philosophy and social issues, and adventurous. I also think of it as granting a love for la dolce vita, but then I also have that trine Venus so maybe that's what makes me adore those planets as a lifestyle. It's about taking enjoyment in the rustic, simple pleasures in life. Since your midpoint config involves the 5th house, I think Mars/Jupiter probably plays out similarly for you. So your Mars and Jupiter express themselves through your 5th house Sun. Mars and Jupiter are lit up and energized. This contributes to you not strongly identifying with Virgo, since those planets are so not Virgoan by nature. If you're looking for alternate outlets for your Sun, I'd say find planets that are on your Sun's midpoints. For example, does anything aspect your Sun/Asc or Sun/MC midpoints? Also, dispositors are so important. Yours is Mercury and I believe you have it cnj Pluto? Your Mercury holds within it a Sun persona. So if you're looking for ways to please your Sun, Mercury can be your guide there. (Actually, dispositor-Pluto conjunction matches your career pretty well! Your Sun holding Mars-Jupiter probably is craving something more wild?) Sorry if this is disjointed. My kitty caught my cold and won't stop snoozling me. Scorpio Asc with a Taurus Venus - very demanding cat physically! IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 844 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 17, 2010 10:45 PM
I just looked and my unaspected Venus conjuncts 3 or 4 midpoints in my chart, but I have no idea what it would mean, in terms of helping its expression. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2773 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 12:55 AM
Thanks, Jane! Sorry it's taken a while to get back to you - I've been working (hope your cat's feeling better!).Yes, a lot of what you say makes sense. I know my sun/moon mp conj my natal Saturn as well in Cancer, and I've looked at the ruler of my sun conj pluto as a major player. I do have a LOT of Saturn energy in my chart too, with the sun/moon=saturn aspect, and I have a Cappy MC as well as Saturn sq my mercury, 7th house cusp (exactly!), trine my Venus and sextile my Mars. Saturn, Saturn, Saturn! But the idea of the unaspected sun alone to a hard aspect to a midpoint interests me - I am a little confused tho because, is it supposed to be expressed in a 5th house way (where my sun is?) or an 11th house way (the house the mars/jupiter midpoint falls in) ? Gah, so confusing But I do feel the mars/jupiter piece is important somehow, it just sounds about right. you're right about my avid interest in social and philosophical issues...it's a major puzzle piece and i feel most alive when i'm talking about it or engaged in the heat of (intelligent) debate about it. Finding solutions to long-standing social and political problems makes me feel ALIVE (admittedly, I was raised by mother and grandmother, two VERY headstrong, HIGHLY Aquarian women that always held court at nightly dinner parties about these subjects...so it's a strong streak in my upbringing). But more than anything it's finding solutions to those longstanding problems which interests me the most. Maybe this is part of the process too esp reflected in the mercury/pluto thing.
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2773 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 12:57 AM
BM, your Venus is in Gemini, right? Might I ask what hard aspects it makes to the midpoints (like within 2 degrees or less?), and what house it falls in to in your natal? Maybe if I can figure out an answer for you, it might get my mind moving in the right direction about my own dilemma IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 844 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 01:53 AM
Okey dokey, the midpoints conjuncted by my Venus are... Jupiter/Chiron Mercury/Jupiter Moon/Mars
And this is all in the 5th house. And I'll be clear that I can relate to some of the descriptions of my Venus (like the values) I just never felt like I can express it moderately. I'm always either too affectionate, or completely cold. I'm just awkward in almost all venus-related areas...like being photogenic. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2773 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 02:08 AM
*scratches head*... ok, that's kind of tough Do you ever feel like creatively starved at all? Or get random creative urges? I just associate the 5th with creativity. And the spotlight. Are you uncomfortable with it, is it too personal somehow? IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 844 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 02:14 AM
I have alot of random creative urges. Most of the time its related to writing, but as recent as this week I did World Cup Makeup and posted it up online...LOL.I absolutely hate the spotlight, and it is a privacy issue. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2773 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 02:31 AM
Coool! World Cup makeup...I wanna see that! That sounds totally 5th house to me I kind of felt you didn't love the spotlight - so it's interesting to find out you have mp aspects which fall in the house of 'the spotlight'... i kind of associate the 5th house with a type of glamor. i think i need to sleep on this.. SIGH!! IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 844 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 02:47 AM
I might post them here soon when I finish the series. It is weird that I would have the creativity, but not the need to get into the spotlight. I think I mentioned elsewhere that I loved the Old Bollywood for how expressive it was through song and dance though. I guess I'm only comfortable with it when other people do it. Or if everyone else is doing, then I'll do it...LOL. I have a very private sun, moon, and 12th house and they're more integrated with the rest of my chart. Maybe that's where the conflict arises. Sorry I couldn't have been of more help!
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Spanky Butler Knowflake Posts: 836 From: Australia Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 03:51 AM
What's going on here?No DD? That's unheard of & I think she saw it & refused to make a comment just to spite me.
Then it's time for stronger bait....
I won't stand for her being such a witch, I won't! I'll start a war if I have too. How Libran is that?
EDIT - Jane I love that picture of Jude you had chosen. His eyes are divine in that shot. YumOh. Since Ms DD doesn't want him then she won't mind if you & I take a nibble surely? IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 768 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 11:55 AM
MVM - quote: But the idea of the unaspected sun alone to a hard aspect to a midpoint interests me - I am a little confused tho because, is it supposed to be expressed in a 5th house way (where my sun is?) or an 11th house way (the house the mars/jupiter midpoint falls in) ?
Good question! In a way it's both. I think the mp's nature (including its sign and house) comes out through the planet's nature. Midpoints are dependent on planetary contact for us to feel them. The planet is the mp's interpreter. How the mp comes alive depends on how the planet can "read" it. Your 5th house Sun will read mp's very differently from your Saturn! I'm sure you can tell me all about that. Also, the planet can't stop reading the mp. The mp is an integral part of the planet. So in this case, your Piscean 11th house Mars/Jupiter mp is triggered and made into something you can perceive through your Virgoan 5th house Sun. The Virgo influence wants to analyze and fix - so that explains the debate and problem-solving. The Sun and 5th house influences make you feel so alive as you're doing it. Btw, I hadn't realized you were so loaded with Saturn! My Cappy Venus isn't surprised. IP: Logged |
jane Knowflake Posts: 768 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted June 18, 2010 11:58 AM
Spanky -I've never been able to stop myself at just a nibble. Hear that, DD! I'm going to devour Jude! Nevermind, I think I can control myself... IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2773 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 03:28 PM
Jane and BM - sorry I've not responded...I've been busy with work and feel a little confused about the midpoint thing lolBM - I wanna see those pics when you're done Actually, you have helped because I think we have the opposite thing going on house-wise with the 5th/11th house axis deal. And your 12th house of course. I'll bump this up again once I've got some real solutions or ideas to contribute...but for the moment, thanks for the feedback, it's given me substantial chewing material IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 3589 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 05:35 PM
As you know, I am into Midpoints too with my being influenced by Cosmobiology. Sun conjunct Mars/Jupiter midpoint is mainly the ego,self expression,vitality combines with the integration of assertion,passion,physical drive and expansion,judgment,optimism
According to Ruth Brummond Rulebook, Sun-Mars-Jupiter configuration: SU.MA.JU + enterprising. enjoys one's work. eager. goal-oriented. optimistic. venturesome. circumspect. has foresight. good at organizing. works independently. handy. acquisitive. positive in outlook. fair. proud. athletic. assertive. Successful work of a man. Good luck in work. To be satisfied with one's job. Profits due to actions. Beneficial undertaking. Fair actions. Favorable decisions. Financial profession. Attainment of possessions. Optimism. Healthy sex life. Procreation. Birth of a child. Legal actions. To work on recovery of health. Days full of work. Years of success in work. - impulsive. prideful. If you want a midpoint configuration, Mars/Jupiter midpoint is one of the midpoints that you want in your chart.
------------------ Raymond Andrews, President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 3589 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 06:24 PM
oh another thinga midpoint doesn't have to be activated by a planet or angle for it to have significance a midpoint aspecting another midpoint can have significance The conjunction,opposition especially That's what Hamburg School/Uranian Astrologers refers to as "planetary picture" Magi Society refers to as "Magi Quad" David Colchrane refers to as "Isosceles Trapezoid" for example: I have a conjunction of: Moon/Neptune midpoint in 17'29 Capricorn Mars/Jupiter midpoint in 17'05 Capricorn I use no more than 1 degree maximum orb that David Cochrane recommends. He pays close attention to configurations that have an orb of half a degree or less. ------------------ Raymond Andrews, President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement
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Astra Knowflake Posts: 223 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 06:50 PM
Maybe this bait will help: IP: Logged |