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Nephthys Moderator Posts: 260 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 02:33 PM
What do you say to people who don't believe in / don't understand astrology? The ones who think we are cuckoo? Do you have more friends on Internet that are into astrology than in real life? (I do) Just curious, thanks for replies IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 586 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 03:17 PM
I respect the people who don't believe that astrology works and I hope they respect my right to believe what I want.My opinion is that it doesn't require our belief for something to exist. It doesn't require me to believe that airplanes can fly in order for them to do so. What I object to is the hostility that often accompanies the rejection of a belief or any kind, that's where the problem usually occurs for me. If someone reacts to me with hostility or harsh judgement because of any belief that I have, then I become angry at their judgment and hostility, not the fact that they don't believe or choose to do some research. So, I don't say anything unless someone is interested in me showing them that it works. Very often someone will see how astrology or other forms of divination works and they still won't believe it. Even that's OK. I've done it and I continue to do it in certain instances, especially with astrology. Sometimes it takes a lot of time for me to accept that a certain astrological measurement or relationship works and then one day it somehow reveals itself to me in a way that I feel comfortable with or in a way that is so clear to me that I can't dispute it. That's my 2 cents. IP: Logged |
amowls* Knowflake Posts: 1274 From: richmond va Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 03:59 PM
My friends that don't believe in astrology always say "WHATEVER ITS STUPID" but still ask me to read their transits IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly Knowflake Posts: 449 From: Gaia Registered: Apr 2010
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posted June 23, 2010 04:10 PM
I say... IP: Logged |
Cynnared Knowflake Posts: 507 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 04:17 PM
I'm cautious when approaching "new age" topics and will wait and see what a person says etc. If they talk about their horoscope in the newspaper then I might mention something. I just seek clues from others in regards to that. About those who have no value in the stuff and put it down , I just simply do not discuss anything of that nature with him/her. Then I don't sink to their level and I just let it be and accept what is. Agreeing to disagree is the best policy.Cynn IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 586 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 04:35 PM
AbsintheDragonfly, IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian Knowflake Posts: 267 From: US Registered: Jan 2010
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posted June 23, 2010 05:04 PM
Hmm not many know, I also don't have an abundance of friends either, but those two could be explained by my Scorpio moon ------------------ ~Believe~ IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 4654 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:04 PM
Geo,great post! Absint,
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Nephthys Moderator Posts: 260 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:04 PM
Geocosmic, but what do you SAY to them?Amowls, yeah, the ones who don't believe us are the ones who read their horoscope every day in the newspaper or online and get so shocked when something is true Cynnared, I agree, I try to do the same. but isn't it sad that we have to feel that way? IP: Logged |
Nephthys Moderator Posts: 260 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:07 PM
I also can't stand this response:You actually BELIEVE that stuff?! Then I think, "you actually DON'T?" IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 4654 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:16 PM
I actually do not really talk to people who believe I am cuckoo. At least not about astrology. When I was younger I took it a bit personal, if I got the: "You are such a smart girl; how on earth can you believe in such nunsense like astrology?" speech, but nowadays I just shrug my shoulders and ignore it.My friends actually are pretty open about astrology. I guess if they werenīt open and tolerant about many things, they wouldnīt be my friends. But of course I accept it, if they donīt believe in astrology, as long as they accept that I do. But I am lucky, my friends are curious people. OH and if they ask me if I actually believe that stuff, I usually say: "Of course I donīt BELIEVE in it.." (and what I often do not say aloud, or sometimes I do, is: "I KNOW it works.") lol
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2815 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:27 PM
I'm of the mind that anyone who 100% is against astrology is as fanatical as someone who is 100% 'believing' of it (as in saying it's THE way). For myself as far as astrology goes, I neither believe nor believe, I just speculate and remain curious. It's like the subject of religion to me and I have the same attitude when it comes right down to it and say the same thing : 'We don't know anything for sure, but it's very interesting stuff to contemplate, isn't it.' That tends to shut people up most of the time (seriously, what answer can they throw back at you after that, which isn't going to make them look silly?)
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 2815 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:30 PM
Oh, and like DD says, I think it's got to do with who you speak with it about too, to an extent....I generally don't befriend people who belittle my interests, period. They can bugger off IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 586 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:31 PM
Nepthys,You have to give an example of something I would need to respond to. So far, in your question, you've asked me to say something to someone who "believes" or "thinks", not to what they have "said". I wouldn't simply start speaking to someone who believes or thinks something. Do you mean that if someone tells me that they think I'm cuckoo, what would I say? I'd say "Kiss my entire black a$$!" Because insulting someone has nothing to do with astrology, it has to do with them being a rude idiot. Seriously, it's not my job to convince someone to agree that astrology works. Astrology doesn't need defending. People have the freedom to choose what they think whether we agree with them or not. I don't think it's necessary to prove astrology's validity. And the rest of what I wrote above applies to this as well. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 586 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 05:40 PM
I just wanted to add that I believe it's very healthy to be a skeptic. I didn't believe astrology worked for many years because my chart is constructed in a way that my Sun doesn't express the Sun sign it's in, My Moon is strongly suppressed by another outer planet and my Ascendant is also very muffled by an outer planet, so whenever anyone with a little astrological skill would tell me that I probably behave a certain way because my Sun is in Aries and my Moon is in Cancer and my ASC is Gemini, I would always think it was total bull because those 3 points in my chart are heavily stressed and muffled.When a very skilled professional astrologer looked at my chart, he could see all of these things and began to delineate my chart in a way that truly suggested my real character and life experiences. So, I can understand people who don't believe it, especially if they are only learning about Sun Sign astrology. That's all. IP: Logged |
bopbop Knowflake Posts: 229 From: USA Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 07:11 PM
It's strange how many feel they must be careful about this topic. I know some people whom are AFRAID of astrology. I've also had people whom, when I say I can read their charts, become fanatical in asking about their future and themselves as if what I tell them will validate their existence. It's those extremes that keep me from being too public about my investigations into astrology and what value it may have. I've run into them too many times...also, Absinthe. IP: Logged |
T Knowflake Posts: 2057 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 07:17 PM
I don't say much. Their ears are closed and wouldnt really "hear" it anyway.IP: Logged |
Nephthys Moderator Posts: 260 From: California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 07:24 PM
bopbopb, me too, people afraid. I have Solar Fire and whenever I do a basic natal for people, (those who know nothing about astrology), everyone says it is right on to a T!!! I am usually surprised when they say this b/c Solar Fire can be kind of generalized and kind of boring interps (IMHO). IP: Logged |
Cheshire Kat Knowflake Posts: 555 From: Wonderland Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 07:39 PM
I am curious to know what you would say to an ex-believer..?I met one and it's only because she became religious..and well religion and astrology sometimes don't mix..=S IP: Logged |
bopbop Knowflake Posts: 229 From: USA Registered: Jun 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 07:46 PM
Then she isn't an ex-believer but chose to renounce her interest in it because her new faith dictates that she is not allowed to have such an interest. That would be the person I would not talk about astrology with, heh.IP: Logged |
Cynnared Knowflake Posts: 507 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 08:28 PM
It is easier and takes far less energy and effort to agree to disagree....I find that I am on a spiritual path and I'm taking EGO out of things and just let things be.......easier on the feelings as well - then I don't get wound up etc...... Cynn
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Dy-na-mi-tee Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Cloud 22, Jupiter Ave, Lalaland Registered: Jun 2010
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posted June 23, 2010 09:58 PM
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Dy-na-mi-tee Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Cloud 22, Jupiter Ave, Lalaland Registered: Jun 2010
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posted June 23, 2010 10:00 PM
quote: What do you say to people who don't believe in / don't understand astrology? The ones who think we are cuckoo?
I usually just let them be. I think they're entitled to their opinion. I also think their opinion is relevant. What I've noticed is that you can reach the same result in so many different ways. There are often coincidences between different astrological systems (chinese, mayan, hindu) and many other forms of esoteric study - like numerology.. and also psychological studies - like the Jungian personality types. If a person thinks astrology is cuckoo.. but still reaches a certain level of psychological understanding in their own way (whether it is through scientifically recognized methods or through esoteric methods) - then that's great! This understanding can help them interpret the world around them and their own lives. On the other hand - if they are simply disinterested in the world around them and likewise disinterested in their personal psychology -- that's their prerogative. I guess they have other things to focus on in this life. quote: Do you have more friends on Internet that are into astrology than in real life?
Ya, I'd say so.. Most people I know in RL - are not that into it. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon* Knowflake Posts: 866 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted June 23, 2010 10:03 PM
I keep my belief in all the occult to myself unless someone asks....thus making it a non-issue for me. Sometimes I, myself, will take long breaks from it because of how easily it can take over my life. O__o
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Dy-na-mi-tee Knowflake Posts: 173 From: Cloud 22, Jupiter Ave, Lalaland Registered: Jun 2010
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posted June 23, 2010 10:06 PM
MVM - quote: I'm of the mind that anyone who 100% is against astrology is as fanatical as someone who is 100% 'believing' of it (as in saying it's THE way). For myself as far as astrology goes, I neither believe nor believe, I just speculate and remain curious.
I'm a lot like this myself! I'm the same when it comes to religion as well lol DD - About being called "cuckoo" .. Honestly? I think I'd find it funny.
I'd just tell them they're "cuckoo" the next time they *do* something that is slightly unconventional, because no person alive is completely conventional and everyone has skeletons in their closet. My Pluto/SN are great at uncovering skeletons. So I'd say it back -- but only as a joke. And I'd add: "I guess we're all cuckoo in our own ways" I wouldn't take it to heart though. I'd still be friends. Not that I never take offense at anything - but I'm not particularly offended by this. In my mind I think, they'll change anyway - as time goes on. bopbop - quote: know some people whom are AFRAID of astrology.
Well - when someone seems afraid of me, or something I'm interested in.. I get under their skin by helping them with something important, appearing generally helpful, friendly and reliable and being *kind* to them. Once they're won over, it's much easier to show them that it's nothing to be afraid of. Sometimes I ignore and I can't be bothered.. But with certain people - I feel like it's worth making an effort to quench their irrational fears. IP: Logged |