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PlutoRising
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posted June 27, 2010 09:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know if there is a prevalent theme in a chart that shows a predisposition towards addiction? I have been struggling on and off all my life with addiction to various substances. Any insight from an astrological point of view will be helpful so that I might have insight into my disease.

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Glaucus
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posted June 27, 2010 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

In Astrology, Neptune is said to rule addictions

a lot of astrologers will focus on the hard aspects to Neptune
conjunction,opposition,square
quinxunx

cosmobiologists and uranian astrologers look at the semisquare,sesquiquadrate

also midpoint pictures involving Neptune can be something to look...even midpoint pictures involving Neptune in halfsum

parallels,contraparallels can be included


I also look at contacts to the Neptune Nodes or Neptune aspecting nodes of Mercury,Venus,Mars.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.
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PlutoRising
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posted June 27, 2010 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Glaucus. I have Neptune conj Mars & Merc. in the 2nd or 3rd, not really sure. My Merc is in mutual reception to Pluto. Does Pluto have any bearing on addiction, as well?

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Glaucus
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posted June 27, 2010 10:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome.

Well...Pluto is said to be the planet associated with obsession due to its intense nature

but Pluto is one of over 1,000 transneptunians though

so even Pluto's fellow transneptunians could be about obsession due to their intense natures


Pluto has 3 transneptunian dwarf planet buddies

Eris which is larger than Pluto
Makemake
Haumea


the largest named dwarf planet candidates are
which are all transneptunians:
Sedna
Orcus
Quaoar
Varuna
Ixion


I look at all those objects in regards to checking out evolutionary intensified lessons

that also includes their nodes too

nodes of objects besides the Moon are overlooked by majority of astrologers, but they have astronomical and astrological relevance

I'd use no more than 1 degree orb for transneptunian nodesI

I use no more than 2 degree for planetary nodes

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seeleah
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posted June 27, 2010 11:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeleah     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Look I am totally new at this, but I did remember reading something about uranus opposing chiron..but that dosen't make sense to me, since that could be easily generational, but idk. I was also told that neptune is the one to watch...

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posted June 28, 2010 12:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amphitrite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have read that a hard aspect between Neptune and mars can make it more challenging for an individual to avoid substance abuse. Although I have Neptune square moon in Virgo h1, and I have developed some very unhealthy relationships with substances over the years, and found it very hard to get back on track. A propensity to over do it and avoid be truthful to myself about it. You really have to watch those hard Neptune aspects.

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iQ
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posted June 28, 2010 01:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune conjunct Mars answers your question.

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Glaucus
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posted June 28, 2010 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
alcoholism and drug addiction runs strong in my family
so does neurodivergence

I am just listing Neptune/Pisces/12th house stuff
including direct midpoints,nodes


my mother is a recovering alcoholic,drug addict

Sun in 12th trine Neptune
Venus-Uranus square Neptune
Neptune sesquisquadrate Midheaven in Pisces
Neptune parallel Midheaven
Pluto conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint
Venus conjunct Neptune/Sedna midpoint
Midheaven oppose Venus/Neptune midpoint
Ascendant oppose Neptune/Midheaven midpoint
Mercury oppose Neptune/Eris midpoint
Neptune conjunct Venus/Node in Right Ascension


My maternal grandfather was an alcoholic who committed suicide
Moon in Pisces
Saturn in Pisces oppose Neptune in Virgo
Geocentric North Neptune Node conjunct Midheaven
Geocentric South Neptune Node oppose Midheaven
Geocentric South Neptune Node trine Mars
Geocentric South Neptune Node square Jupiter
Mercury conjunct Neptune/Eris midpoint
Sun conjunct Neptune/Sedna midpoint
Neptune conjunct Mars/Midheaven midpoint
Mars conjunct Jupiter/Neptune midpoint


My biological father was a drug addict, and it factored into my never knowing him
Moon in Pisces
stationary retrograde Neptune sextile Mars


My maternal aunt Dominga is a recovering alcoholic
Sun and Neptune in 12th


My maternal uncle Eddie is a recovering alcoholic,drug addict
Venus conjunct Uranus/Neptune midpoint
Eris oppose Mercury/Neptune midpoint

My maternal uncle Dino has Sun-Mars-Neptune conjunction in Scorpio, but he didn't have any addictions. He did smoke weed though. a lot of people my family did.

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Glaucus
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posted June 28, 2010 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My own chart shows strong potential for alcoholism,drug addiction that I avoid

in regards to Neptune/Pisces/12th house

Moon in Pisces square Neptune
Mercury parallel Neptune
Venus parallel Neptune
Saturn oppose Neptune
Saturn contraparallel Neptune
Mars square Neptune in Right Ascension
Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint
Mercury conjunct Neptune/Ixion midpoint
Moon oppose Saturn/Neptune midpoint (due to t-square of Moon square Saturn-Neptune opposition)
Sun conjunct Neptune/Pluto midpoint in Right Ascension
Moon oppose Neptune/Midheaven midpoint in Right Ascension
Geocentric South Neptune Node conjunct/oppose Lunar Nodes


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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

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Glaucus
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posted June 28, 2010 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Centaur, Pholus is also associated with substance abuse,addictions

Pholus is the 2nd centaur discovered after the 1st discovered centar,Chiron. It was discovered in 1992.

Pholus links the orbits of Saturn and Neptune

Saturn/Neptune midpoint is said to be "Pholus-sensitive" which means that an activation of that midpoint is like an activation of Pholus.

the aspects of Pholus might be something to look at
its nodes, midpoint configurations too

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Raymond Andrews,
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iQ
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posted June 28, 2010 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very useful info, Raymond!

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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 28, 2010 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My ex-husband had Mars conj Neptune and indeed had some issues with substances.
I would not peg just everyone with this aspect as having an issue tho (addiction shows in different ways!)...I'd def look at the whole chart. But yeah, hard aspects to Neptune can really be a major telling factor. My ex had Neptune as the ruler of his chart and it conj Mars. You probably won't see the smoother aspects making as much trouble.

Maybe put your whole chart up, Pluto, if you don't mind?
A visual reference would help a lot and would show how the whole thing plays out...you'd probably get a lot more feedback too

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Diablo
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posted June 28, 2010 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Agreed with MVM, it can't be just 1 or 2 factors but a theme that is prevalent in the entire natal chart.

The info Glaucus shared is absolute GOLD, you will not find this kind of personalised information on any website or book, that I can assure you I don't think there is any better answer to the question, along with real life examples too!

But yeah, agreed with the Neptunian theme in relation to drugs. I would also throw a bit of Pluto in there as you gotta get your addiction thrills from the underworld and have to deal with underground scum to get it.

But it also depends on the addiction itself and the circumstances of it. A chart could show habitual drug addiction/rehab/relapse cycle, it could show someone who was a drug addict themselves who got clean and used their experiences to help other people come over their addictions, it could show a huge marker for depression or another type of mental illness where drug abuse is a symptom of, it could show someone who uses illicit drugs like a shaman for spiritual enlightenment (I DO NOT recommend or endorse this in any way), it could show someone who has a very strong 5th house influence (with supporting aspects of course, one cannot make a judgment on 1 house placement on its own), where someone has that awesome, high flying lifestyle where taking drugs is a part of it, or show gambling addictions (gambling is a 5th house thing, but it would have to be somehow connected to the 2nd house [income & possession ---> losing them] or 8th house [gambling OTHER people's money])..

I don't know if drug addiction shows up in my chart at all, but I have had a long history with drugs in the past. I smoked weed constantly in high school and throughout my early 20s, along with alcohol and went through a stage once I hit 18 partying every weekend until I got bored of that and became a cocaine addict and alcoholic. But only on weekends, the rest of the week I'd be recovering.

In today's time, I'm all grown up and got the partying out of my system. I still like to have a drink when I go out but other than that, I don't touch alcohol. The only prevailing addictions is cigarettes, lol but the thought of taking drugs, being up all night and watching the sun come up as I'm coming down just makes me cringe cos it really is a horrible feeling. I can only just barely handle hangovers.

But what I will say is that I was never a hopeless drug addict, never touched a needle, always held down a job and went to school, never went to rehab, never sold my body for drugs..nothing like that. Just a functioning addict, I guess. I NEVER lost control while being on drugs and always aware of the situation and circumstances, so I can say that I never really had a bad experience on them either.

Neptune is in the 10th house for me and I've taken drugs all throughout my high school and tertiary education.

Neptune sxt. Pluto (explains the ease and comfort with the drug scene)

Sun opp. Neptune. (there's a drug-aspect right there, the sun (self) and neptune (drugs, escapsism)

Sun trine. Pluto

Mars opp. Neptune

But its allll down to choice. And perception. I may have Sun trine Pluto and that may have been a drug-aspect in the past but now I have come to see it as a very powerful aspect which gives me the incredible power to transform myself and resurrect from the ashes (drug addiction).

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PlutoRising
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posted June 28, 2010 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much for everyone's feedback. My knowledge of astrology is not as advanced as many of you.Some of it was over my head, but informative, nontheless. I will be doing some research, that's for sure. Glaucus, where would I go to study the rudiments of, for instance, dwarf planets, centaurs, the transneptunians, etc? Also, What is neurodivergence?
I've found that Neptune has given me gifts (I am a poet and w/ Nept conj Merc, this is a natural mode of expression for me), but it has also given me many trials and troubles. I will post my chart so that perhaps someone here might help me smooth out some of the knots.
Thanks again to all of you. I feel fortunate to have a such an exceptional source of compassion and knowledge to turn to.

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PlutoRising
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posted June 28, 2010 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How do you post images on the site? Anyway, here is my astro data:

Planetary positions
planet sign degree motion
Sun Libra 1351'24 in house 2 direct
Moon Virgo 1657'57 end of house 12 direct
Mercury Scorpio 718'32 in house 2 direct
Venus Virgo 1645'17 end of house 12 direct
Mars Scorpio 345'44 in house 2 direct
Jupiter Capricorn 2737'24 in house 5 direct
Saturn Capricorn 2318'42 in house 5 stationary (D)
Uranus Leo 2858'54 in house 12 direct
Neptune Scorpio 1003'13 in house 2 direct
Pluto Virgo 903'39 in house 12 direct
True Node Leo 2625'26 in house 12 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Virgo 1743'05
2nd House Libra 1245'41
3rd House Scorpio 1229'22
Imum Coeli Sagittarius 1548'26
5th House Capricorn 1937'52
6th House Aquarius 2040'18
Descendant Pisces 1743'05
8th House Aries 1245'41
9th House Taurus 1229'22
Medium Coeli Gemini 1548'26
11th House Cancer 1937'52
12th House Leo 2040'18

Major aspects
Moon Conjunction Venus 013
Moon Trine Saturn 621
Moon Sextile Neptune 655
Moon Conjunction Pluto 754
Moon Conjunction Ascendant 045
Mercury Conjunction Mars 333
Mercury Conjunction Neptune 245
Mercury Sextile Pluto 145
Venus Conjunction Ascendant 058
Mars Sextile Uranus 447
Mars Sextile Pluto 518
Jupiter Conjunction Saturn 419
Jupiter Quincunx Uranus 122
Saturn Trine Ascendant 536
Neptune Sextile Pluto 100
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle).

According to this, it doesn't show Nept conj Mars because of the 7 deg orb. I guess it depends on who does the chart (?)

Also, some astrologers have shown Pluto conj my Asc & Moon, but because of the orb it doesn't show on here. What is the rule of thumb for the deg of the orb? Or does it depend on the planet?


Thank you again, My "Knowflake" Friends!


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"And the day came when
the risk to remain tight
in a bud was more painful
than the risk it took to
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Glaucus
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posted June 28, 2010 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"According to this, it doesn't show Nept conj Mars because of the 7 deg orb. I guess it depends on who does the chart (?)"

Right

I use small orbs myself. no more than 5 degrees. I was influenced by Robert Hand's book, HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS.

Your Mercury seems to be conjunct your Mars/Neptune midpoint any way.


Usually if a person can identify with a wide orbed aspect, they usually have a midpoint involving the 2 planets that are in aspect.


You might even have Mars parallel Neptune in declinations. That's another example of how a person can relate to a wide orbed aspect.


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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind.
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sfaithj
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posted January 26, 2012 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sfaithj     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
look to your south node and piesces/neptune. for me, my uranus is conjunct my south node, making me an internet addict and my desc is in piesces and i'm a love and sex addict. sigh.

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^ we're all interwebz addicts here, otherwise we wouldn't be on this board

I have a Mercury-Neptune conjunction, ruling my 6th House to boot, as well as a 12th House NN.

Totally anti-alcohol. Why bother with that fattening cr@p when I can pop into LL and read all this super trippy stuff? Haha

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VenusDiSirius
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posted January 26, 2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well,hello Merc/Neptune conj

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posted January 26, 2012 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 26, 2012 05:56 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Well,hello Merc/Neptune conj

Oh noes it's that Mars in Aries!!!

*runs away*

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VenusDiSirius
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posted January 26, 2012 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Now,that's exaggerated,I only have this chainsaw (read it in another thread) as an accessoire! Come back,we can have some tea!

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mintgirl123
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posted January 26, 2012 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mintgirl123     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neptune aspects
12 house placements
plutonian placements too

I have suchhh a huge potential to be a huge crack/alcohol/gambling addict I swear(sun trine neptune 1 degree, pluto sextile sun 1 degree, neptune square moon and asc (both loosely). I know I have tendencies bc I can go through phases where I'm pretty 'focused' on something and it's quite persistent.

But I stay away from drugs and gambling just to be safe. Alcohol is alright though.

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sand
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posted January 26, 2012 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sfaithj:
look to your south node and piesces/neptune. for me, my uranus is conjunct my south node, making me an internet addict and my desc is in piesces and i'm a love and sex addict. sigh.

i have uranus on my south node too lol! it's more the information i am addicted to than the tech stuff..

pisces is my 5th house. lilith is there. ruler neptune quincunxes my moon..

i believe i have potentials towards alcoholism too.

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doommlord
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posted January 27, 2012 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for doommlord     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
its seems like my chart beg for addictions XD

had some before but not something serious

heres my placements:

neptune conj uranus
neptune opps moon
neptune square sun
neptune in 1st conjunct asc
pluto trine moon
pluto conjunct mars
pluto in 10th

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