posted July 03, 2010 08:49 PM         

i think the secret lies in my Saturn in Virgo, while he is a Virgo with Capricorn AC. my Saturn also trines my Mercury (Virgo ruler) in Capricorn.

posted July 03, 2010 11:22 PM         

they have been together for about 30 years, raised two kids and apparently adore each other, though his lifestyle takes him out of the house for extended periods, and there is a 14 year age-gap between them too.

i find it interesting that her jup/pluto mirrors his sag sun/scorp asc and her sun, despite being in pisces, seems to be able to take the heat out of his sun/saturn square...

posted July 04, 2010 12:46 AM         

one of the most solid celebrity couples i'd say. and exact square suns. both born on the 4th.

posted July 04, 2010 02:07 AM         

Together over 20 years, with two kids (but not married because neither of them believe in marriage), and I've never seen a couple more deeply in love. It's not been easy - they are VERY dedicated to communication and working things out. It's not 'smooth' by any means, but they love each other and are very committed. And yet their relationship is not one of those 'karmic, difficult' types which is all volatile(though they have their moments!)
You get around them and see how deeply they are connected, and at ease with one another.

They're fairly different in personality but not all that much actually. They get along and seem to have a very good friendship with all their passion.

btw- I really take celebrity couples with a grain of salt. wtf do we see besides tabloids and publicity? we don't know them personally!

posted July 04, 2010 04:18 AM         

I'm a Sag, and have had wonderful relationships with Virgos, that last past the romance part, into forever friendships.

I've had countless (well, I could count, but I don't wanna, lol) with Scorpios.
I can only speculate it's because I have my merc in sco, my Snode, and also sco is in Neptune, in my 7th house. I romantisize the heck outta them.

I have had a VERY long relationship with a Cap. Only thing I got there is my MC, BUT, he has cancer stuff, and that explains that.

Pisces, *sigh* I have Neptune in that 7th like I said, plus saturn in Pisces, and Chiron.

posted July 04, 2010 06:12 AM         

All my romantic relationships and close friendship have been with PIsces (I'm a Sag, but I do have Sun conj Neptune with MC, Sun/Moon and Venus/Mars midpoint at the same degree in Pisces)

My mom and Grandma are heavy Pisces and they are my best friends. Right now I'm living with both of them b/c of health issues (pinched sciatic nerve- I can't walk) and we are all having a blast together (Grandma is 80, mom 55 and I'm 31) We love watching movies together, art projects, and they are always getting me in my wheel chair and taking me to the park. We do get in our tiffs- but they never last long and that happens with everybody.

posted July 04, 2010 07:21 AM         

Yet, they have been married for 36 years this may / july.

There are other definitely strong astrological indicators for this though.

posted July 04, 2010 07:27 AM         

i know what you mean when you say "it's not all about the Sun sign", but i was curious about what really connects them under the surface. maybe it's just the examples here, but sounds like they do balance well between the square energy and supporting energy, but making relationships rocky too?

when difficult aspects are strong/dominant in a chart, AND when there is/are balancing aspects that keep them together, they learn and mature together the hard way and build very strong bonds, resulting in very long relationships too? i'm wondering, when the Sun signs or personal planets are conflicting, maybe the relationship of chart rulers saves it? (like in Katatonic's story too)

i have a Sagi Stellium and my BF Virgo Stellium. we are consisting only of squares! it's fun to find what's keeping it together.

posted July 04, 2010 07:31 AM         

I am just currently researching the aspects of these in long standing marriages, so far it seems like there is nearly always a conjunction or trine from one of the "relationship-houserulers" to ASC.
Or the ASCīs to each other.
But as I said I am still in research mode.

It doesn`t seem to be always the case in shortlived affairs though, which implies that the rulership-connections are more about real compatibility and lasting soul-attraction than physical interaction.

posted July 04, 2010 10:45 AM         

This might just be a pattern with me but my mom, grandma (the two I talked about above), my 2 long term best-friends and two of my long term romantic relationships (which they are still in my life) all have their DSC conj my Juno... this really had me think that Juno might be completely underestimated. LOL

posted July 04, 2010 11:59 AM         

no I haven`t a thread on my research yet. I am not ready yet.

Racole,

did you also notice a strong connection between the two axises AND the nodal axis (ASC-DESC, MC-IC, NN-SN)?
I am talking exclusively about conjunctions here, but including the rulers or the axis.

There are actually some examples out there, even in the celebrity world. Of course we cannot say anything about their feelings inside the relationship, but only see how long it lasted and trust in what they said or wrote about it.

posted July 04, 2010 02:43 PM         

His MC/Psyche is conjunct my Sun and his NN is conjunct my Mercury. We also have DW Venus trine Mars in our progressions.

To me, unlikely couples are more like couples who don't have a lot of synastry aspects together (making no connections). For instance, a guy that I had a very BRIEF fling with (lasted like a week) had a Sag stellium (the ruler of my DSC) and my Sun conjuncted his DSC exactly. But other than that we had little to no aspects between our planets/points and it quickly fizzled out.

posted July 04, 2010 03:01 PM         

"To me, unlikely couples are more like couples who don't have a lot of synastry aspects together (making no connections"
I absolutely agree with this.

It seems like there are several strong aspects needed to sustain a relationship, give it "depth".

Maybe the reason for this is that people nowadays have pretty high expections.
Usually we want a relationship to touch us deep in our souls, a feeling of "togetherness" and "relating" to each other on many and deep layers.
If only one or two areas are being touched by someone else, we might feel unfulfilled, like the other person doesn`t see us at all, and the subsequent dissatisfaction easily leads to a quick affair and quick breakup.

Of course the degree, to that we want and expect intimacy / relating / "soul-touching" will differ individually.

Yet, I have yet to see a long standing relationship with NO tight and strong aspects to the personal planets or angles.

posted July 04, 2010 04:24 PM         

I am curious.

posted July 05, 2010 11:55 AM         

you "proved" almost all my theories in this case.

I was thinking that special natal aspects and placements could make someone "crave" for a kind of challenge and intensity and even tension, that would make other run away screaming: DISAASTER! DISASTER!

In my little head I was thinking particularly of constellations like:

° Moon, Venus, ASC or DESC in Aries, Sagittarius or Aquarius
(with Sun and Mars in these signs closely following)

° challenging aspects (square, opposition, conjunction) like:

Moon-Mars
Moon-Uranus
Moon-Pluto
Venus-Mars
Venus-Uranus
Venus-Pluto
DESC-Mars
DES-Uranus
DESC-Pluto
(Sun-Mars, Sun-Uranus, Sun-Pluto and Mars-Uranus-Mars-Pluto)

° Mars, Uranus, Pluto, (Sun) in 1st, 5th, 7th or even 8th house (Venus in 8th house also)

As I see you have of these:

° Venus in Sagittarius
° (Sun in Sagittarius)
° ASC in Aries
° Sun in 8th house (which also rules your 5th house!)
° Moon conjunct Mars
° Uranus square Venus (actually this is a T-square, with Venus on the midpoint of your Saturn-Uranus-opposition) - Venus rules your DESC, so this VERY significant for relationships
° Pluto squaring Venus and being part of that T-squre, too! Plus Chiron is also involved.

I actually met two men who have had the same T-square as you; they were born in the same month as you (the first one was born on 9th december, the second on 22nd december).

Both are so intense. Phew. I just could sense intensity ooze from every of their pores, even if they were friendly and charming.

The first one made me run away very quickly; just got the feeling that sometimes running is the better option. lol
His Venus fell onto my Sun-Mercury-conjunction and thus my Sun and Mercury on his Venus somehow "personalized" this T-square, drew it into our synastry.
He also had a Scorpio-Moon, which was squaring my Aquarius-Moon.
No thank you, sir! Not this time around!

The other one is just a source of neverending fascination to me. Whenever I am even just in his physical proximity (which does not happen often), I feel "electrified", makes it hard to breathe around him, but it is a much more positive feeling as in the first case.
Must be his Moon and ASC in Aries - my Sag planets like that!

Also his Venus is not tied to his Saturn-Pluto/Uranus-opposition.
Instead it is conjunct my Venus (along with his Eros), but squares my Pluto, which falls exactly onto his Mars.
Mmh, but it is interesting how different we react to people, even if they share certain placements; yet it is the differences that seem to make for our different reactions.

posted July 05, 2010 11:58 AM         

I concur. I have made the same observations about synastry.

"AC/DC rulers conjunct his AC/DC axis!"
This is, for me, where the explanation for lasting and strong attractions comes from. Maybe it is even a sign for soulmates.
Seriously, I think soulmates will have the most unique connections, which you do not share with everyone, so it makes sense that those connections will involve ASC / DESC, MC/IC or even Vertex and Moon (as it is pretty quick for a planet).