posted July 08, 2010 06:32 PM         

I will email you in about 5 or 10 minutes. You can take your time getting back to me if you're no longer available at that time. I don't expect you to wait.

posted July 08, 2010 06:44 PM         

Sun in 9'39 Cancer
conjunct Orcus in 9'17 Cancer - oaths,promises
square Eris in 10'33 Aries - diversity,equality,discord,controvery

Ixion in 24'27 Libra - second chances,matters involving gratitude,karmic wheel,lust
conjunct/oppose Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 23'03 Libra/Aries
trine Moon in 25'02 Aquarius

another thing

if looking at geocentric planetary nodes:

Her Sun in 9'39 Cancer
conjunct North Jupiter Node in 9'59 Cancer
oppose South Jupiter Node in 10'10 Capricorn

so she was strongly connected to collective matters involving expansion,judgment,optimism

strong connections to planetary nodes can indicate strong potential to be a public figure. This can also be the same for strong connections to the transneptunian dwarf planetary nodes like Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea.

if you look at her heliocentric chart

her Earth in 9'39 Capricorn
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Jupiter Nodes in 10'04 Cancer/Capricorn

so actually she was born with Sun/Earth-Jupiter Node aligment.

That indicates a strong potential to be public figure of some kind

also in the heliocentric chart
Orcus in 9'17 Cancer
Eris in 9'55 Aries

so she had Earth-South Jupiter Node conjunction that oppose Orcus-North Jupiter Node conjunction , and Eris square the opposition

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 09, 2010 12:50 PM         

.. i hear the spencers have been holding an auction
re some of lady di's childhood bit's n bobs ..

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posted July 09, 2010 02:05 PM         

....I got the John Dean tapes

....Lara...has given me... ...my own pack of Corgis to walk. (Hint, hint).

The princess was clever.
Dodi cooperated.
The queen was not amused.
She squashed it before more could be revealed.

Dang it! So sad.

posted July 09, 2010 02:43 PM         

Thanks IQ,

I was waiting for you to respond because of your asteroid expertise.

I am going to check those asteroids and their nodes, both heliocentric and geocentric.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 09, 2010 03:42 PM         

I don't think that there is a way to tell the difference between the type of ideal they were murdered for. I agree with you about liberal views and conservative views.

"I think I understand that you believe Sedwick's philosophy about Eris figuring prominently in issues of diversity which includes issues of discrimination, (no matter what race, ethnicity or even political ideology). I suppose I think of it in more simple terms like the character Mr. X in Oliver Stone's film "JFK". To quote him, when Jim Garrison finds it too overwhelming that such a deep conspiracy could exist against the president, Mr. X says to Garrison: "Kings are killed, Mr. Garrison." "

It wasn't Philip Sedgwick. It was Roy MacKinnon and Zane Stein.
Most of Philip Sedgwick's keywords for Eris were based on the sign of Eris' Heliocentric North Node (Taurus) and Perihelion (Libra)

Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio
Geocentric South Eris Node in 5'29 Scorpio
Geocentric North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus

With Sun-Ixion cazimi indicates a very dominant theme of second chances, matters dealing with gratitude. As a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate, it involves evolutionary intensification. The Sun-Ixion cazimi is closely conjunct the South Eris Node and oppose the North Eris Node which suggests that those matters are strongly connected to collective matters that involve diversity,equality,discord,and controversy. The conjunction in Scorpio suggests a death,transformation theme that involve the collective. The opposition to the North Taurus Node suggests values,security theme that involve the collective.

In the Heliocentric Chart:
Earth in 5'20 Taurus
Heliocentric North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio
Heliocentric South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio

Eris in 12'15 Aries in 8th suggests that diversity,equality,discord,controversial,and evolutionary intensified matters are aggressive,fiery,and possiblity violent in the areas of death,transformation.
It conjuncts my Chiron in 10'32 Aries,and so it suggests woundedness,healing,and being a maverick is also involved.

The combination of Eris in Aries in 8th and Sun oppose South Eris Node in Scorpio/oppose North Eris Node in 8th suggest a strong theme of diversity,equality,discord,controversy,evolutionary intensified matters in connection to death and transformation.

Mars is the ruler of both my both my 3rd and 8th houses. It is also the dispositor of my Sun-Ixion-South Eris Node and the dispositor of my Chiron-Eris conjunction.
My Mars is in Aquarius in 6th house, and this placement can indicate an activist. The dispositor of my Mars is Uranus in Libra in 2nd which indicates liberalism in equality-oriented way in the areas of security,self worth. It opposes my retrograde Eris in Aries in 8th. Therefore, it involves diversity,equality,discord,and controversy in the matters of death,transformation. "

"But to add to your request, I guess I'm sticking to the simple is powerful rule. You can check out the aspects that suggest martyrdom which would include Neptune/Pisces themes, whether in the victims natal chart or at the moment of assasination."

I definitely have those themes

Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
square its dispositor, Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd
square its dispositor, Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius in 3rd
square Varuna in 3'01 Gemini R in 9th
square Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 9th
(I have a strong Neptune/Pisces theme. It's highly modified)
It's also involved in a t-square. It even involves transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Varuna which can be associated judgment,justice. As a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate, it involves evolutionary intensification. The Saturn-Varuna conjunction are in the house associated with belief systems. Jupiter and Neptune are in the house associated with communications. 3rd/9th house is also the education/learning/school/information axis. My Moon is in the house of service. The t-square involving them indicate the challenges involving those areas.

"I had completed this assassination research last year for Asteroids. Asteroid NEMESIS and OSIRIS will be important, followed by SIVA and ANUBIS. But I did not apply the ideology angle."

I looked at only conjunction,opposition,square,quincunx aspects.

Nemesis in 1'18 Capricorn in 4th
square Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 1st – transformation,regeneration,elimination,evolutionary intensification

Osiris in 15'53 Aquarius
conjunct/oppose Vertex/Antivertex in 14'58 Aquarius – fated relationships, matters pertaining to self (auxilliary ascendant)
oppose Ceres in 13'57 Leo - nurturing

Siva in 20'43 Scorpio in 3rd
conjunct Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd – love,value,relating
quincunx Nessus in 20'56 Gemini R in 10th - "bad blood"

Anubis in 2'13 Leo in 11th
square Sedna in 2'06 Taurus R in 8th – environmental awareness,victimization,abuse,betrayal,evolutionary intensification
square Quaoar in 2'22 Scorpio in 2nd – inspired creativity, evolutionary intensification
T-square with Anubis as the apex

Geocentric Nodes:

Geocentric North Osiris Node in 1'57 Pisces in 6th
square Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd – dissolution,inspiration,idealism

Geocentric South Osiris Node in 5'08 Libra in 1st
trine Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R in 9th – structure,discipline,boundary
(I included this trine because it's an exact aspect)

Geocentric North Siva Node in 2'12 Pisces in 6th
conjunct Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th – emotional nature, feelings
square Varuna in 3'01 Gemini in 6th – judgment,justice,matters of competence,evolutionary intensification
square Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd – dissolution,inspiration,idealism

Geocentric North Siva Node in 10'38 Libra in 2nd
oppose Chiron in 10'32 Aries R in 8th – woundedness,healing,maverick

Heliocentric Chart
(Higher Self)

Anubis in 11'15 Cancer
oppose Uranus in 14'14 Libra – independence,unpredictability,innovation
square Chiron in 11'47 Aries – woundedness,healing,teaching,maverick
square Eris in 12'29 Aries – diversity,equality,discord,controversy

Heliocentric Nodes:
all nodes move up to 1 degree per century,and so they have to do with the collective
the north and south nodes are exactly opposite each other like the lunar nodes

conjunction of:
South Venus Node in 16'25 Sagittarius
South Anubis Node in 16'25 Sagittarius
South Nemesis Node in 16'31 Sagittarius
Mercury in 17'01 Sagittarius

In regards to higher self
My thinking,communications is connected to the collective matters pertaining to Venus,Nemesis,and Anubis.
With Nemesis and Anubis nodes in aspect to my Mercury, my way of communicating could get me assassinated

It looks like I have a very strong assassination potential chart overall.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 09, 2010 04:03 PM         

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I am actually more interested in people that were killed in connected to ideological discord.

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Richard Nixon, his administration and other right-wing politicians (including ultraconservative ancient Senator Strom Thurmond, who personally memoed Attorney Gerneral John Mitcell on the matter) were fixated on what they saw as the Lennon problem. To them, the politically outspoken singer-songwriter was an insidious subversive of the worst kind, the famous and beloved kind.

J. Edgar Hoover shared their concerns. One page of Lennon's FBI file bears the handwritten, block-lettered, under lined words, ALL EXTREMISTS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED DANGEROUS. The government went all-out to deny Lennon his longed-for permanent U.S. residency, and more than that, to deport him altogether (that was the subject of Thurmond's memo).

Lennon's FBI file - at nearly three hundred pages as chubby as Hoover himself - reveals that he was under "constant surveillance." Nor did the G-men keep a particularly low profile around the ex-Beatle, apparently attempting to harass him into silence or at least drive him nuts, similar to the tactic they had used on Martin Luther King, Jr., a few short but eventful years earlier.

In late 1972, when the "surveillance" was at its peak, Lennon told humorist Paul Krassner, "Listen, if anything happens to Yoko and me, it was not an accident."

The FBI and the CIA tracked Lennon at least from his "Free John Sinclair" concert in 1969 until 1976 - even though by then Lennon had won his immigration battle and dropped out of not only political activism but public life altogether into what turned out to be a five-year period of seclusion. His apartment was watched, he was followed, his phone was tapped.

Placing a person under "constant surveillance" and ordering that person executed are admittedly two different things. Nevertheless, Bresler's point is that the government did not consider John Lennon a harmless rock 'n' roller whose awkward entrance into the world of political activism often carried a high cringe factor (as in his Montreal "bed-in").

He was viewed as a dangerous radical who needed to be stopped.

And in a way that official paranoia might have been justified, because as embarrassing as Lennon and Ono's political publicity stunts occasionally became, John Lennon was always capable of seizing the spotlight and speaking directly to millions of young people who venerated him.

With unfettered access to the media, his power was immense, at least potentially so, and recognized by more experienced radicals like Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman, who linked themselves to Lennon, clinging to close that they made the rock star uncomfortable.

Lennon was killed just four years after the intense FBI/CIA surveillance ceased. In those intermittent years, Jimmy Carter was president - a Democrat who kept the two gestapo-ish agencies more or less in check.

But in December 1980, when John Lennon's first album in half a decade was high on the charts, Carter was a lame duck chief executive, having lost his reelection bid to Ronald Reagan. Reagan's campaign was managed by career secret agent William Casey, who under President Reagan became the CIA's most freewheeling chief since Allen Dulles. The new far-right administration would reassemble the intelligence services and grant them a cheerful carte blanche.

The forces that tried desperately to neutralize Lennon for at least seven years lost power in 1976. Lennon's government dossier ends in that year. In 1980, as those forces were preparing to retake control of the government, "dangerous extremist" John Lennon emerged from retirement. Within a few months he was murdered.

The paper trail that might support the conspiracy theory is a little thin, however. It doesn't extend much beyond the airline ticket found in Chapman's hotel room; a Hawaii-New York connection departing December 5. But Chapman had actually purchased a Hawaii-Chicago ticket to depart December 2, with no connecting flight. The ticket found after his arrest had apparently been altered. None of his friends knew that he traveled on to New York. They thought he went to Chicago for a three-day stay.

Bresler concludes that the Lennon assassination, which, as Chapman himself noted in a rare interview, "ended an era," bears similarities to another assassination that took place twelve years earlier: the murder of Robert F. Kennedy.

RFK's apparent lone killer, Sirhan Sirhan, and Chapman (coincidentally?) shared a defense psychiatrist. But while Dr. Bernard Diamond couldn't skirt the obvious fact that Sirhan was under hypnosis (Diamond wrote it off as self-hypnosis), he labeled Chapman a "paranoid schizophrenic."

The court disagreed. Chapman even now has never had more than routine psychiatric care since entering his guilty plea. He was not sent to a mental hospital, but to Attica State Prison. He was judged legally "rational."

Bresler clears up a few widely disseminated misconceptions about Mark David Chapman:

While any mention of his name is now accompanied by the phrase "deranged fan," Chapman was anything but. He was no more or less ardent a Beatles/Lennon fan than anyone of his generation. His real rock hero was Todd Rundgren, a cynical studio craftsman who could not be further from Lennon in artistic sensibility. Notwithstanding Chapman's announcement months after the murder that he "killed Lennon to gain prominence to promote the reading of The Catcher in the Rye," Chapman never exhibited strong feelings about the novel until shortly before the shooting. (Catcher, Bresler muses, may have been used as a device to trigger Chapman's "programming.")

After the murder, major media ran bizarre stories of Chapman's supposed growing identification with John Lennon - at one point he even "re-baptized" himself as Lennon, according to Newsweek. These stories were all quite fascinating, but there was no evidence to back any of them up. (It is true that when Chapman quit his last job he signed out as "John Lennon," then crossed the name out, but Bresler interprets this, reasonably, as Chapman saying, "John Lennon, I am going to kill you," rather than "John Lennon, I am you."

Chapman was not a "loner." He was for most of his life a normally social individual and a camp counselor who had a special rapport with kids.

Bresler also notes that when Chapman signed up for a YMCA overseas program, he selected an odd destination: Beirut - a perfect place, says Bresler, for Chapman, a once gentle soul, to be "blooded," that is, desensitized to violence.

A final note to the mystery of Mark David Chapman: As he was ready to go to trial and his diligent public defender was winding up six months spent assembling Chapman's defense, the accused killer suddenly decided to change his plea to guilty. His lawyer was perplexed and more than a little perturbed. But Chapman was determined. He said he was acting on instructions from a "small male voice" that spoke to him in his cell.

Chapman interpreted it as the voice of God.

posted July 09, 2010 04:42 PM         

Remember those photos of her on the yacht with him?
She was moored off out to sea and they were sitting on deck. The press were waiting "tipped off" by a Royal Princess (lol) and they had to use TELEPHOTO LENSES to get a photo of her.

What does a telephoto lens do? It makes subjects look closer together and can sometimes make it look like they are kissing passionately - for example a man and woman sitting on a deck leaning towards each other yet sitting a foot apart.

posted July 09, 2010 04:48 PM         

There was nothing between them except a friendship through their parents!

posted July 09, 2010 04:57 PM         

Absinthedragonfly,

Great choice, John Lennon. My confusion always came in around the fact that John was murdered years after Nixon resigned in disgrace, Hoover was dead even longer. The only thing I can think of is that Nixon could very well have been advising Reagan, who probably would have been open to Nixon's advisement through back channels. Reagan had not yet taken office by December 8, 1980 so I try to figure out who was still interested in John as a trouble maker.

Even in his FBI file there was an admission that as long as they had been following John Lennon, they found ample evidence that he was much too high and non-functional to be a trouble maker to anyone. What's more, Yoko has continued her activities and was loved more after John was killed than she had ever been before his death.

I find her to be quite courageous choosing to live in the same location where he was murdered. She is quite active in her local community, even I have seen her power-walking on the boardwalk of Riverside Park in broad daylight.

posted July 09, 2010 05:39 PM         

But in December 1980, when John Lennon's first album in half a decade was high on the charts, Carter was a lame duck chief executive, having lost his reelection bid to Ronald Reagan. Reagan's campaign was managed by career secret agent William Casey, who under President Reagan became the CIA's most freewheeling chief since Allen Dulles. The new far-right administration would reassemble the intelligence services and grant them a cheerful carte blanche.

The forces that tried desperately to neutralize Lennon for at least seven years lost power in 1976. Lennon's government dossier ends in that year. In 1980, as those forces were preparing to retake control of the government, "dangerous extremist" John Lennon emerged from retirement. Within a few months he was murdered.
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quote:

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she called her friend shortly before the accident and said she was going to reveal something which will turn everything upside down

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I read something about that too.

Well Lara, I'd say it depends on who you are, what you know, who might find out about it and be unhappy. Watch out for yourself please. We'd miss you bunches here.

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We cannot seek or attain health, wealth, learning, justice or kindness in general. Action is always specific, concrete, individualized, unique. --Benjamin Jowett

posted July 09, 2010 05:49 PM         

Death by Homicide 8 December 1980 at 11:30 AM in New York, NY (Shot, age 40)

posted July 09, 2010 05:59 PM         

Also, for numerology sake in terms of John Lennon and the number 9. Even though technically, logically and realistically he was killed on December 8th, in the place of his birth it was already the 9th, thus continuing his life number theme NUMBER 9.