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Topic: Potential Assassination indicators
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Glaucus
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posted July 08, 2010 11:17 AM
 
What could be indicators in a natal chart for potential assassination/murder/death by violence indicators?
What about in connection to ideological views,equal/civil rights matters,bigotry,and/or intolerance of diversity?
charts to consider:
John F. Kennedy
Robert Kennedy
Abraham Lincoln
Martin Luther King Jr.
Malcolm X
Mahondas Gandhi
I am curious about any non-planets that could figure in whether fixed stars, minor planets (asteroids,centaurs,transneptunians).
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Lara
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posted July 08, 2010 11:23 AM
You can add Michael Jackson to the list too. Maybe a violent transit to MC and 8th ruler? IP: Logged |
amowls*
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posted July 08, 2010 11:25 AM
Reagan was shot but survived so his chart might be worth taking a look at.IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
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posted July 08, 2010 11:59 AM
how about John Lennon?One of the Black Panther Leaders was murdered in his bed, can't remember which one though. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted July 08, 2010 12:08 PM
I am actually more interested in people that were killed in connected to ideological discord.------------------
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Lara
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posted July 08, 2010 02:53 PM
Marilyn Monroe is worth looking at considering seeing that 2 of the people on your list had her killed!!IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 08, 2010 03:46 PM
Glaucus,Are you sure there's a way to tell the difference between the type of ideal they were murdered for? For example, the Kennedys had different ideals than Reagan, liberal vs. conservative, but they were both ideals and it can just be as simple as someone not liking another person's idealistic views no matter what they are. I think I understand that you believe Sedwick's philosophy about Eris figuring prominently in issues of diversity which includes issues of discrimination, (no matter what race, ethnicity or even political ideology). I suppose I think of it in more simple terms like the character Mr. X in Oliver Stone's film "JFK". To quote him, when Jim Garrison finds it too overwhelming that such a deep conspiracy could exist against the president, Mr. X says to Garrison: "Kings are killed, Mr. Garrison." His point is for Mr. Garrison to wake up and accept the cold hard facts about power dynamics on this planet and that "politics" is a game and we shouldn't be too surprised when the game turns unfair or violent. But to add to your request, I guess I'm sticking to the simple is powerful rule. You can check out the aspects that suggest martyrdom which would include Neptune/Pisces themes, whether in the victims natal chart or at the moment of assasination. I've always been slightly confused about John Kennedy's assassination because it happened very shortly after SA Mars=Pluto occured in his chart. It was out of orb by almost a whole degree. Maybe it had something to do with the Secondary Progressed Moon or Tertiary Moon+other aspects that may have been a trigger. Kennedy's martyr aspect was his Neptune-MC conjunction (Saturn bridging the Neptune energy to the MC). That's just some of my thoughts for discussion sake, but it's a very interesting question that you pose. I wish I had a moment more to look at the other charts. Maybe I will have time later. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 08, 2010 03:54 PM
I would also think of Princess Diana in that same vein. She was no longer being viewed as the ideal image of a "Queen Mother" by the Royal Family, so to speak. Her divorce from Charles did not sit well with the Queen, though she allowed it to occur and then her choice of Dodi Al Fayed as a romantic partner just would not do.What was the ideal that Diana promoted? Too much freedom. Possibly promoting her "unacceptable" ideals to the future king (whether it's William or Henry), possibly bad mouthing the royal families values and ideals to the future king. That's all I can say for now. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted July 08, 2010 03:56 PM
Sorry to butt in Geo but Diana did not have a romantic nor sexual relationship with Dodi! The Kennedys were dirty as in their hands were dirty. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 08, 2010 04:10 PM
I do not believe that Diana didn't have a romantic relationship with Dodi.But I do agree with you that the Kennedy's had a hand in Marilyn Monroe's death and they definitely tried to kill Castro. It hasn't been a secret for decades now that that John worked with Sam Giancana's mafia, even behind Bobby's back. And as idealistic as Bobby was, it is well known that you didn't want to mess with him because he could be as vicious as a mean pit bull. IP: Logged |
Writesomething
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posted July 08, 2010 04:39 PM
ive seen marilyn's chart, and if its correct, i believe she killed herself from an overdose. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted July 08, 2010 04:42 PM
Well I'm sorry Geo but she didn't have a relationship with Dodi and it's a fact. Marilyn was certainly murdered and the Kennedys were behind it. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 08, 2010 05:08 PM
As much as I don't want to open up this can of worms, I'll ask the question, after all that's what discussion forums are for, right? OKLara, with all the concrete photo evidence that Diana and Dodi were romantically involved, what additional information do you have that suggests they didn't have a romantic relationship? Even if they didn't, the appearance of it is what mattered most to the royal powers that be. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted July 08, 2010 05:16 PM
It's far from a can of worms. It's very simple really.
IF she was murdered it is not for any reason that anyone has ever stated in public.
She was not involved nor ever had been with Dodi. She had known him for years and the entire holiday was a set-up.
You are just going to have to trust me on this one Geocosmic because my info is not 'info' it's truth. Dodi would be the last man on earth shed date, get engaged to or marry lol
She was clever... I'll give Diana that much. She worked the press like a dream cos the entire world has eaten up all the lines she fed the press! IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted July 08, 2010 05:21 PM
hey everybody,I am ok with debate. Linda Goodman encouraged it. Heck..I am very strong in Eris energy overall.
I definitely don't mind. Just be respectful of other's views.
None of this "I am right and you're wrong" crap.
That's what tends to lead to discord and controversy in the first place which can lead to somebody with self righteous and/or extremist views "taking out" somebody else that doesn't share those views. Diversity of views is highly encouraged on this thread.
I appreciate everybody's input.
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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 08, 2010 05:27 PM
That is the absolute worst thing you could tell someone. I'm supposed to just TRUST you on this? You are the almighty keeper of THE TRUTH??? Never thought I'd hear that from you, Lara! You could at least bullsh1t me a little, tell me to google Dr. Hasnat Khan, lead me down a garden path, something, ANYTHING but "my info is not 'info' it's truth."I'd love to continue the conversation with you when you're willing to discuss what you know, not when you preach to me that you've got the answers and I should just trust that you know it. If I wanted my information that way, I'd be a regular church goer. IP: Logged |
Writesomething
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posted July 08, 2010 05:35 PM
lol.. I  you geo. I agree.Lara I disagree with what youre saying. IP: Logged |
venus in gemini
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posted July 08, 2010 05:44 PM
Geo,
Lara has first hand knowledge.  IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted July 08, 2010 05:53 PM
You can all believe what you want and it's def not a case of right and wrong. There is truth and then there is the press.If you wanna believe the press be my guest and I'd love to tell you why what I'm saying is the real scenario but I can't because this is an online open access forum and I'd give my identity away immediately!! All I was saying is that the story you have been fed is far from the truth. If you look at her chart for the 3 months prior to and up to her death I'm sure you will figure it out IP: Logged |
Writesomething
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posted July 08, 2010 05:58 PM
I know personally for me..I am the last person to ever believe what I read or see in the media. I dont believe anything blindly just because I read it.
You say dont believe what you read/hear, but you want us to believe you blindly like youre the media without questioning your sources.IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
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From: New York, NY
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posted July 08, 2010 06:00 PM
It's obvious to me that she knows something, I've known Lara anonymously long enough for that, and I don't mean to be insulting and harsh or ask anyone to choose sides. But it is insulting to my intelligence to publically ask me to trust you on a discussion point on a subject that she's not willing to completely discuss in the open. If it's that private then perhaps it's better to allow me and the public to wallow in our ignorance.IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 08, 2010 06:01 PM
I read that Diana was in love with a Pakistani Heart surgeon but he was not interested.
She was trying to make him jealous with Dodi.
That made sense to me---from reading many books about her.
Ami
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Diana
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posted July 08, 2010 06:13 PM
quote:
If you wanna believe the press be my guest and I'd love to tell you why what I'm saying is the real scenario but I can't because this is an online open access forum and I'd give my identity away immediately!!
Omg, Lara is the Queen of England!!!
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Geocosmic* Valentine
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posted July 08, 2010 06:14 PM
Lara ,I will look at the chart with a fresh mind as best I can to see what I can see. What I found most interesting was that my astrology instructor claimed that you couldn't see any signatures for Princess Diana's death in her chart at the time. I did find a signature in her chart. However, it can be seen very clearly in the charts of her sons, the Queen and Charles. My question to you is this. Considering who you are  why was your birth time never recorded? In your culture or "circle" (?) it is usually extraordinarily important. If you can't say, don't worry about it, it's just highly curious to me. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted July 08, 2010 06:18 PM
VIG Geocosmic, you can always email me!! If you still have my email. Ami, part of your info is incorrect. The rest is true. IP: Logged |
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