posted July 22, 2010 07:32 AM            

Also, Agents Emory Roberts and Floyd Boring could also have been complicit, from sheer incompetence. Mr. Boring is very interesting according to researcher Vince Palamara. Guess his birthdate? 25th June 1915, Sun in 3 Cancer conjunct LBJ's True Node and JFK's Pluto.

And, he has several potential assassin signs:

1. Exact T-Square of ANUBIS-LUCIFER-RUDRA
2. SIVA-KAALI-NEMESIS T-Square.
3. Venus conjunct KAALI, something we have already studied as a clue of high percentage reptilian DNA, which can be easily programmed to serve the Elite.
4. His True Node, 18 Aquarius. My my, arent we seeing a lot of karmic objects in this sector cropping up on charts of thse who were to protect JFK?
5. Sun conj Pluto, Mercury retro conj Saturn exact. Very ambitious man. The only agent who got promoted after the execution. Contrast with Agent Stout was finished off and agent Greer got stomach cancer, in 1960s itself. Many agents got demoted.
6. NESSUS square Saturn exact. Ugh.
7. OSIRIS conjunct ALGOL exact. Hero hater?

I could not find Clint Hill's birthdate. Drat.
Emory Roberts date is missing too but he died on an 8, Oct 8 1973.

Jack Ruby: 25th March 1911
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From wiki:
"he claimed he shot Oswald on the spur of the moment when the opportunity presented itself, without considering any reason for doing so. At the time of the shooting Jack Ruby was taking phenmetrazine, a central nervous system (CNS) stimulant."
Till his death, he held himself alone responsible for shooting Oswald...

Surprisingly, not many assassin features, though there are two important connections to Oswald's Chart. Standard Astrologers will love this: Exact Mars - Mars conjunction.
And for the occult fans, Oswald's Sun and True Node conjunction is bisected by Ruby's NEMESIS. Another karmic retribution?
When in doubt, quickly glance at the Draconics. And voila.
Draconic RUDRA-RUDRA conjunction, Sun conj Saturn, Moon conj Neptune and Neptune conj Sun, all exact. These two must have been killing each other across dozens of lifelines.

But then... I saw another RUDRA-RUDRA exact conjunction in the Draconic Synastry.
It is of JFK not with Oswald or Ruby or LBJ.
[ JFK and Oswald do have a wide NEMESIS conjunction in draconics, JFK and LBJ have an exact RUDRA-NEMESIS conjunction in draconics. ]

This Rudra-Rudra draconic conjunction is of JFK with Secret Service Agent Floyd Boring..... who is turning out to be very interesting indeed.

More revelations to come... the past life seeds of this conspiracy could even date back to the CABAL Ministry during the reign of Charles 2.
Clifford, 1st August 1630
Arlington: No birthday found, born 1628
Buckingham: 10th Jan 1628
*Anthony Ashley: 22nd July 1621
Lauderdale: 24th May 1616

Did they re-incarnate as the team that took care of matters and had their revenge on 22nd November 1963?

Clifford's Draconic Sun and JFK's Draconic NEMESIS are perfectly conjunct.

Duke of Buckingham and JFK have an exact Sun-ANUBIS double whammy in draconic charts.

Ashley and JFK have RUDRA-LUCIFER conjunct Moon in Draconic, [plus Pluto-Venus. ! ]

Duke of Lauderdale and JFK have exact LUCIFER-Mars conjunction, True Node-NEMESIS, NEMESIS-Mercury, SIVA-RUDRA and KAALI-Saturn conjunctions!!!!

Was JFK a reincarnation of the ultimate enemy of the Cabal Ministry in 17th century Britain, Charles 2nd himself?
Is the birthday of Charles 2nd also being 29th May a Coincidence ?

I had to think laterally about this aspect considering the above information, though it seems irrelevant now, later astrologers will learn how to connect reincarnational dots.

posted July 22, 2010 09:23 AM            

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It is astrologically proven, today, 22nd July 2010, when the North Node is again conjunct JFK's North Node, that LBJ masterminded JFK's assassination.

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posted July 22, 2010 10:30 AM            

this metagnosis is amazing.

BUT I was wondering, what are we telling people who have some really dark natal aspects? ARe they doomed? Do they have no choice?
Couldn`t have any criminial chosen a different way?

For example: I do have my fair share of "dark" aspects, too (probably not THAT dark as mentioned though).

[HEKATE conjunct LILITH] trine [Venus conjunct ISIS conjunct OSIRIS] trine [LUCIFER], square [ASC conjunct ANGEL conjunct ATLANTIS conjunct POSEIDON]

[ISIS conjunct OSIRIS conjunct SPIRIT] square PLUTO

SIVA in Scorpio square MOON on 17-18 Aquarius

Siva on 14.5 Scorpio also quinkunx KAALI and INANNEN on 12.4 Gemini widely, and trines my HElio and progressed Saturn on 14 Cancer

Retro NESSUS on 28.1 Gemini quinkunx ANUBIS on 28.1 Capricorn; trine NEMESIS on 28.3 Libra; of course ANUBIS is squaring NEMESIS exact, too!

I`m not evil though. Neither am I a criminal or tolerate abuse or murder or things like that.

What I think is that I may have an awareness of the existence of a "dark side", but that doesn`t mean I need to "succumb" to it.
What I mean is, I have a choice. As has every person with a horoscope.

So, while I think such a metagnosis can be very illuminating, we have to be aware that we still can choose how to express certain parts of our charts.
That is why I think that an astrological analysis can never be an ultimate proof for anything, even though we might see certain indicators and tendencies.

I was just looking up a chart of a well known person:

° OSIRIS conjunct Uranus on 21 Cap, opposing Neptune on 20 Cancer, trine NODE on 22 Taurus, trine SIVA on 21 Virgo

° LUCIFER trine ANUBIS exact, with ANUBIS quinkunx Pluto

° KAALI conjunct Chiron, trine Pluto

° NESSUS on 28.2 PIsces opposes Mercury on 29.1 Virgo and square Pluto on 27.4 Gemini

She certainly faced the dark sides of life, but she used her awareness and knowledge to assist those who needed her help, at least according to what I have read about her.

So, I think what I wanna say is, that as fascinating such a metagnosis is, we must not make the mistake to JUDGE people just because of their horoscope. We don`t know HOW they are manifesting the constellations in their lives.

posted July 22, 2010 12:32 PM            

Here we are talking about an elite bloodline that is corrupting the planet since the destruction of Atlantis. These "people" just cannot change their nature if they have exact harsh aspects. By their deeds shall we know them, and by their charts shall we expose them.

This bloodline can kill anybody in front of any American Judge/Jury, and still they wont be found guilty. A top notch Lawyer will easily prove to the Jury that the killer was an Arab or Chinese or Iranian or 'whoever is to be the enemy' disguised in a Hologram, an Elite 'Think Tank' from Harvard or MIT will show evidence of an "illusion device" stolen by a suspected Al-Qaeda type guy 2 weeks ago, fingerprints will match in an old database etc etc etc.

At least we have the satisfaction of using a Divine Science to spot these criminals.

We cannot judge any ordinary person but in a given set of elite suspects, we very well can utilize astrology to judge. These people have been escaping punishment for centuries by greying the area between right and wrong.

P.S: The person you mentioned does not have 3+ negative aspects, look at all her trines no wonder she raised her awareness.

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posted July 22, 2010 01:37 PM            

As for the other things,oh well, I just find it highly problematic to have "different measures", one for "ordinary" people, one for "Illuminati or others".

I feel that astrology, if it is truely a science, will work to consistent rules, for everyone, regardless of gender or background.

Maybe I am too idealistic though.

What did Heath`s father say, in the film "A knight`s tale"? "Change your stars", I thinkt hat was it, it made a deep impression on me.
I don´t think we can literally change our stars, but we can make the best of them. ALL of us, and yes, that includes even those belonging to these cults (even though I fear they might not want it. Sometimes I think, power, or the thirst for power really is the root of all evil).

As for the other person I posted, what do you mean with 3 negative aspects?

She has Osiris opposing Neptune.
Anubis quinkunx Pluto.
Nessus opposing Mercury
Nessus square Pluto

Even though I agree they are by no means as dark as the ones you posted, BUT I noticed that in your analysis you also used trines.
Do you consider them, if there is already a negative square aspect present?

posted July 22, 2010 01:41 PM            

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@Lexx,
I could have sworn seeing "Hellerman" but hey when in inspired semi-trance state, such typos occur.

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Lexx,

I wasn`t trying to lexigram his name. It was just an association I suddenly had.

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I am really in awe of your lexigramming skills.

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posted July 22, 2010 01:50 PM            

I tip my hat to YOU, sir. A Master Astrologer gracefully and generously bringing astrology and asteroid astrology into the future with motivational fervor, exciting other astrologers to get into the act.

I am still studying what you wrote from the beginning of the thread to the end and jogging my memory of all the players involved and I've got film clips in my memory of one particular Secret Service Agent in dark sunglasses jumping off of the car in a very frustrated manner because he just received the signal to abandon the president at that moment.

I also keep hearing the voice of Donald Sutherland playing the character of "Mr. X" in the Oliver Stone film "JFK" where he says, "Who else had the power to make the Secret Service stand down that day?" and he never answers the question but leaves the audience to form their own opinion. There was no U.S. Military leader who had the power. The only other person who is supposed to technically have the power to command the Secret Service to stand down is the vice president, Lyndon B. Johnson.

The moment John Kennedy was dead, Johnson was completely in charge of the entire country and the military and the Secret Service. He had the power to cover everything up. He stepped into power faster than any other president because of the situation at hand. Other presidents usually have to deal with a day or two of polite ceremony, dinners, dancing balls, etc. Not Lyndon. He was sworn in on Air Force One with Jackie drenched in Jack's (sacrificial) blood (no mistake) on her suit, right next to him. He was handed the ultimate power of the world in that moment and that included the power to cover up any and all evidence having to do with the set up.

As we all grow and mature and come out of naivete and idealism we'll realize that LBJ had the ultimate motive, that as much as we love JFK, he was no saint and he was pi$$ing off a lot of people. That doesn't mean he deserved to be assassinated, no, but at that level of power you have to play the game while watching you neck at all times.

posted July 22, 2010 04:16 PM              

cause...im thinking about his son too...when he died in the plane crash along with his girlfriend.i was young but i remember that it was a strange event.nobody knew how it could have happened,if he was that good pilot.

posted July 22, 2010 05:24 PM            

Now, people can begin to speculate on theories of conspiracy with his flight and the crash and all that, but he helped by putting himself and his wife and cousin-in-law in danger along with himself.

And don't forget that in order to find his plane, the U.S. government used satellites, and Navy ships (named after his grandfather no less) to find his plane under the water. If that had been YOU or ME someone would probably find us during an underwater deep sea dive 50 years from now. John, Jr. wasn't even a government employee, but his father was president and his two uncles were senators/(Bobby was also Attorney General).

I'm not a big believer in Karma until things are really looked at in depth. Yes, it's true that the Kennedy family has had it's share of tragedies and injuries, but also consider the size of the family-HUGE! Consider their hobbies, flying, ski-football. Joseph, Jr. volunteered for one of the most dangerous flight missions you can fly - flying a plane full of explosives toward a target and then dumping the plane. Well...the plane exploded in mid-air. Joseph, Sr. blamed Franklin Roosevelt and never forgave him (powerful enemy). Aside from the assassinations of JFK, RFK and a strong possibility of Joseph Kennedy, Jr.; (Joseph, Sr. attracted POWERFUL enemies) we must remember that the Kennedy family also lived highly adventurous lives, they loved and prided themselves on living life like it was an EXTREME SPORT.

I excluded Kathleen Kennedy's plane crash over the Alps with her husband because I was only talking about the men.

I come from an incredibly large family like the Kennedys. My mother's side was 11 children, my father's side is 6 children and my father's extended family on his mother's side, 13 children. That makes for a ton of aunts and uncles, great aunts and uncles and thousands of cousins. My maternal grandmother is still alive, she'll be 91 in September. She has lost 4 of her children while they were in the prime of their lives. You don't hear about it because we're not a famous family and our tragedies are not broadcast over and over on the news. There have been other deaths and illnesses in my family, but we don't believe that we were put under any spells by gypsies or witches or karma, etc. People die all the time.

You can argue that the Kennedys are lucky. JFK was in a car accident in Europe, injured his back and survived. He also survived the crash of his PT29 boat, further injuring his back while saving someone elses life but they survived.

Ted Kennedy injured his back in an airplane accident and survived. He also survived the Chappaquiddick car accident when the other passenger died. There are so many examples.

No, I'm not saying that karma doesn't exist, I'm saying that I require more information and I also might be saying that sometimes we get stuck in the "sadness" factor when we could be investigating more facts and not getting pulled into the "loving the martyr" routine.

Feel free to disagree, I'm just putting this out for discussion's sake and because I've been hearing about the Kennedy Karma and Curse for years and I'd just like to have a more detailed or cerebral conversation about it other than just pointing out obvious issues like sadness and - I don't know - what not.

Also, if this ends up high-jacking the thread, I'm willing to put it into another thread.

posted July 22, 2010 05:28 PM            

I like your practical,no-nonsense approach to things.

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posted July 22, 2010 05:49 PM              

it does sound logical but i feel that there´+s more to that...i dont know...if it´s me,who is into conspiratorial theories but.....somehow i believe that there might be also a karma to pay/ that they choose to do in this life,as a "family",due do pastlife deeds.

Since that i discovered astrology from a pastlife basis/karmic,that i always see it that way.it is an approach that most dont take.but to me makes lots of sense.

posted July 22, 2010 05:51 PM            

Example: Michael Jackson. As much as I love him and as sad as I am about his death, the man's money and influence was a huge part of his death scenario. You and I don't have enough money to use a personal physician administering Propofol as a sleep aid. We also don't have enough power and influence to convince someone else to forgo their ethics in order to have such a tragedy occur. Michael Jackson died a rich man's tragedy. All of the Kennedys who weren't assassinated died "rich man's tragedies". None of them died in commercial airline deaths, Joe died in a military plane, he's the acception but Katheleen died in a private plane; John, Jr. died in a private plane; Ted Kennedy survived his plane accident which was in a private plane...and I completely forgot - President Kennedy was also in a plane crash during his campaign but it's barely ever mentioned because no one was injured and he actually laughed about it.

posted July 22, 2010 06:10 PM            

Here's my question. If you feel that the Kennedy family has a lot of Karma, is it only related to "death" and "tragedy" ? I mean, consider all of their accomplishments. We always become so focused by the pain and tragedy. I agree that pain serves to focus us in life, but I believe that life is about development whether triggered by pain or joy. The reality is that most of life development is triggered by pain and pressure.

What have you learned from the tragedies the Kennedys have suffered? More importantly, what have you learned from their accomplishments and in that respect, how have we benefited from their karma?

A few things that I can think of is that Civil Rights Legislation considerably benefitted by John and Robert being in power at the time. Whether it was their first choice to deal with while in office is a different story, however, it became strong topic to be dealt with and a great majority of people in this country, whether black-white-or other ethnic persuasion, seriously benefitted from their actions and decisions within that Civil Rights arena.

Another example: If John Kennedy had not gone against the advice of many of his advisors, we may have had our first nuclear crisis on American soil. Kruschev was SERIOUS about using the nuclear missiles that he placed in Cuba at the time. The dude was not afraid to be the first to cause major trouble with them. Most people don't know that a lot of the credit for difusing the situation goes to Robert Kennedy and Kruschev's personal ambassador at the time. There was a mix up in the timing of the handwritten messages that were being sent to each leader. Bobby and Russian Ambassador noticed the discrepency and decided to use it to their advantage and fool Kruschev into thinking that they accepted a previous offer from him before they received the 2nd letter which took the deal off the table. The benefit to us - we're alive! We are not toast!

posted July 23, 2010 01:13 AM            

Karma is a very complex subject, too many variables. We cannot even begin to understand it unless we have a basic study of Bhagvad Gita, Naga Hamaadi Scrolls, Aghora 3 and the Kybalion, which are having the best descriptions. Dolores Canon's regression sessions even showed Karma like a form of 'sticky dust' to advanced entities, this concept was reused in the film "Golden Compass".

There are family curses, they are said to last 7 generations, each generation suffering a dilute form. I have observed this in my own family and that of friends. Kennedy's family could have a curse of living dangerously or for never enjoying success at the highest level for too long.

Every curse can be mitigated as well using a higher consciousness of forgiveness, let us not forget that plenty of occult books assumed that the masses are not going to awaken and hence wrote in a judgmental and negative tone. This goes for old astrology texts as well.

About this research, well, common sense dictates that the biggest gainer is always the culprit. Follow the money. I am happy that LBJ has been exposed astrologically as well.

I mentioned the lateral connection of the CABAL Ministry and 17th Century Britain because historical events regarding higher consciousness beings keep repeating in a Time Loop [David Icke wrote about this.]
The Gunpowder Plot, CABAL Ministry, Assasinations of Olof Palme and Rajiv Gandhi, Lincoln and Kennedy, killing of Mahatma Gandhi and Indira Gandhi by religious fanatics, Murder of Hypatia and Joan of Arc, Burning of the Reichstag and 9-11 etc all follow similar patterns. Many are blatant Problem-Reaction-Solution events imposed by dictators and tyrants. Most of the Royals are higher consciousness negative elites and they keep managing to incarnate in position of power, as do their inimical light beings.
Astrology can shed plenty of light, and so can mathematics.

Any exact conjunction to 1/3 degree orb is a 1/1000 event, rarely coincidental. But when this occurs in a related set of events, it is a confirmation of a relationship.

I have the privilege of interacting with good and honest people who accurately recall lifelines in the Courts of 17th Century France and England, and even later decades. On cross checking astrologically AFTER the recall, we see excellent connections in charts especially Draconic Charts, to confirm the recalls.

@Quinnie: Thanks for pointing out the Earthquake Axis Connection, it was indeed an emotional earthquake.

posted July 23, 2010 07:05 AM              

you´re right:i was only seeing the "less positive" karma,but they indeed did chose to experience life to do good deeds as well,i was forgetting all of that

sometimes i let my "virgoness" take the lead

IQ

even those curses of 7 generations...they can be dissolved by the law of forgiveness,right?

posted July 23, 2010 12:07 PM              

most of you are too young to remember that day but i remember every minute of it. i remember the undeniable gut instinct that oswald was pure patsy, which he later insisted ad infinitum till he was taken out...on national tv!!

the kennedy karma is pretty dirty despite all that many of them have done to use their power for good. jack kennedy should have known better than to let the dirty dealers help him get into office, then publicly turn on them...but he did it anyway.

posted July 23, 2010 12:47 PM            

I agree that it's practically common knowledge that Oswald was a Patsy.

As far as the Kennedy karma being dirty despite using their power for good, you'll get no argument from me there. My point about looking at all sides of karma was to stimulate some detailed conversation about karma, not just comments of "it's so sad" or "it's spooky, strange, damning, they are doom-ridden". I want some detailed information along with the events as an example. A little deeper learning.

I wouldn't call JFK a sacrificial lamb, that's a little too gentle a description for him. Politically and characteristically he was no lamb, that's for sure. It's easy with hindsight for us to say that he should have known better than to let the dirty dealers help him and then turn on them. I think it's naive to believe he was the first president or political operator to have done that. He also had to deal with major pressures on all sides and had no choice but to do that. It was a perfect front for John to be actively working with the mafia while having his Attorney General brother Bobby actively hunting them at the same time(at least publically). So, he played the game and he lost. That's always a part of the risk.

Ah yes, the Fitzgeralds. John had it coming and going on both sides. Grandpa John "Honeyfitz" Fitzgerald was deeply entrenched in the Boston Irish political community and they used that networking skill to the fullest. Many people don't realize that the Kennedy's had another senator in the family before Joseph Kennedy, Sr. became the first SEC Chairman and then Ambassador to Great Britain. Joe Kennedy's father was a state Senator in Massachusettes but you never hear them talk about him. Why? There was a scandal that slips my mind at the moment, but you never hear the Kennedy's talk about Joe Kennedy's father. They only talk about Honeyfitz as a former Mayor of Boston when it comes to discussing the political history of the family.

So John learned from early on that politics was a dirty business. It still is.