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DD
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posted July 23, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is a very interesting discussion.

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posted July 23, 2010 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I checked Pluto's fellow transneptunians


Transiting Varuna was retrograde in 21'13 Taurus conjunct JFK's stationary Mercury in 20'35 Taurus in 8th.

Transiting Quaoar was in 23'31 Libra square JFK's Midheaven in 23'46 Cancer

Transiting Ixion was in 28'30 Libra square JFK's Part of Fortune in 29'21 Capricorn


A highly evolutionary intensified period.

From Philip Sedgwick:


Varuna: Vedic deity of vast power, particularly the waters. Orbital Period: 284.65 yr.

Positive - sovereign, competent, regulating without force, mastery of all tasks accepted

Negative - incompetent and blaming, laments losses, holds resentment

Mundane - appointments or elected positions, delegation of authority, promotions, demotions, court martial, public humiliation

Ceremonial - ceremonies to confirm positions, spiritual coronations, “induced” journeys as in shamanically led vision quests

Ixion: Father of the Centaurs, and not a particularly nice fellow. Orbital Period: 246.78 yr.

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

Mundane - second efforts and chances, reset buttons, cloud seeding, study of weather, watching clouds, lust or coveting of another's mate

Ceremonial - rain dances, purging fires, seeking master healers

Quaoar: Native American deity of creation. The first object in space to bear a Native American name (not counting Hopi and Navajo, which refer to tribes). Orbital Period: 283.84 yr.

Positive - creative, inspiring, possibility oriented, uplifts sagging emotion, strong sense of self

Negative - doom saying, prophet of Armageddon, controls others with fear

Mundane - birds, frogs, bears, songs and dances of cultural or spiritual origin, harmony, syncopation, rhythm

Ceremonial - singing and dancing praise the Creator, use of animal totems


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posted July 23, 2010 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes indeed, DD. I like to get as much detailed information and different opinions as possible so that if and when I start using Asteroid Karma in my consultations, I don't want to just say, "Ooooh, you have karma with this situation/family/person/etc." I want to really apply it intelligently and dig in, have a strong discussion about it with my client so that they aren't frightened. It's not my job to frighten clients, it's my job to help them to walk away with some strong insight and a process that they can participate in, if the karma is suggesting serious damage in this present life, how can I counsel my client about how to deal with it, offer them solutions of how to heal it.

Example: If a member of the Kennedy family contacted you for a consultation, what would you tell them about their Karma if you knew there were issues?

As of right now I don't discuss Karma in consultations. I deal with the past bringing the client to the present and together we discuss plans toward future projection. The way I understand Karma right now, as an individual, is not healthy. It feels static. It still feels fate oriented which it is to be truthful. I can't quite shy away from it because astrology is traditionally rooted in fate and yet as we evolve we learn that we are not trapped by our horoscope, that we can either create with it or even rise above it.

It's all so fascinating. The yin and yang of it all. The laws of the universe and my very favorite (which is a book by Jane Roberts also), The Individual and the Nature of Mass Events. It's basically a visualization book and how we as a humans holding collective thoughts create events that we all experience together such as earthquakes, oil spills, 9/11, huricanes, black outs, etc.

Wow, I'm going too deep, too fast for my own good. I need some lunch.

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posted July 24, 2010 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oswald's shot hit Governor Connolly, and maybe a fragment did hit JFK.

JFK's fatal shot was mostly from a Secret Service Agent who could have been reported as absent for duty that day. This mystery agent fired when Agent Greer hit the brakes after Oswald's shot, and Roy Kellerman avoided jumping in front of the President.

Had Clint Hill been sitting with Greer, JFK would have lived as Clint was willing to put his body in the line of fire but he just could not make it from the following car.

Had Emory Roberts and Floyd Boring not tampered with protocol, there would have been 2 agents standing on JFK's cadillac, and no way could the fatal shot have been fired.

This is the reason I could link the ancient CABAL, there were 5 of them, and we have the names of only 4 rotten agents, the 5th has to be the killer. As per Satanic Ritual, a pentagram is used, we know only 4 points so far.

Oswald was definitely diversion, a young man trying to assassinate would not give up the false glory of getting the fatal shot. However, the reason Oswald got involved was due to his past life karma with JFK. There is possibly a link to Booth, Lincoln and Lincoln's wife as well. This is my next focus
of research.

I also found a Reiki Master's analysis where he connected the dots of JFK's plot to a past life karma in 19th Century Russia.
This shows how "time loops" occur across nations and timelines, even if it is not the same reincarnating Soul. The sickness may be prevalent in the Soul Group.

Very detailed, pls read at leisure: http://anitasilvani.blogspot.com/

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DD
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posted July 24, 2010 04:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Geo,

"I want to really apply it intelligently and dig in, have a strong discussion about it with my client so that they aren't frightened."

I understand and share this view.

To me Karma ties in with the physical law of "Actio-Reactio".
Every action has a reaction, a consequence. That is what Karma is to me.

It could be something that you have done / thought / said in this life that will have a consequence in THIS life.

It gets a bit difficult, if you perceive some consequences (like considereing yourself extremely lucky, or sad without apparent reason), but cannot identify the action that led to this consequence.
maybe the action, that resulted into that particular consequences, lies far back in the past, maybe even in a past life.

Also, in relationships Karma of course surfaces, when you have already interacted with each other in a past life, which may have as a consequence certain feelings, that do not really make sense to you given your current interaction. A strong, yet unfounded dislike for another person, or the opposite, a deep trust, though he never gave you any reason to trust him (as you just have met).


I really think, that this is what Karma is about: ACTIO and REACTIO.
To me Karma is a completely neutral thing. It depends on HOW you (inter)acted.
The lessons usually attributed to Karma, may often relate to those times we acted wrongly (whatever wrong means ), and so we need to undergo a learning process to make it better the next time, or the time after it.
I could imagine that if we do not want to learn the first time around, that the lessons may get more, well, insistent.

Maybe Kennedy`s Karma, and of others involved, was learning the right use of power? A lesson they obviously failed. at least from my little subjective perspective (and really what do I know?).


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posted July 24, 2010 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if there is an American President in recent history whose Ascendant bisects the exact assassination moment of JFK [19 Aqua] and that Saturn placement [17 Aqua].

Someone who could have an Ascendant at possibly 18 Aquarius with a Sabian eerily matching the Gulf Coast situation: "A Forest Fire Is Being Subdued By The Use Of Water, Chemicals And Sheer Muscular Energy".


If so, what could it mean? What Soul would have the destiny to become a US President, and yet choose a birth time that was a karmic end time of another US President?

What would it mean if this hypothetical President also became a very young President like JFK, and was a Democrat like JFK?

Should this hypothetical President also have to be careful if like JFK, he has Mars in 8th? What if he has Saturn in 12th and DEJANIRA in 12th?

What if Transit Asteroid NEMESIS were about to conjunct 12.33 degrees of Leo or Transit Asteroid LUCIFER were to conjunct 12.33 Leo ?

The wise say that looking into the future can change it.

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posted July 24, 2010 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama doesn`t have ASC on 18 Aquarius, does he?
Or were you REALLY just theoretically speaking?

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posted July 24, 2010 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IQ
lets hope that president believes in the validity of astrology, otherwise he'd just be another statisitc?

Fascinating thread that I'm still mulling over

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posted July 24, 2010 06:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,
There was an astro website with a birth certificate from Hawaii showing 7:24 PM and 18 degrees Aquarius rising. Anyway, in this matter, I cannot officially make a statement. Am just speculating. I am not a US Citizen, and if I was a US Citizen with non-astrological evidence, then judging by the way they treated JFK, the Secret Service would see to it that the evidence does not reach the correct person.

Hi Quinnie,
No higher up other than Ronald Reagan took astrologers seriously anyway. And he was the only one who escaped.

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posted July 24, 2010 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello iQ,

I don't know if you've ever been to the U.S. or Washington, D.C. but there are zodiacs and astrological symbolism built into the architecture of the buildings, the city planning, all over the city. The city was built by the Masons, literally. The Washington establishment is very aware of astrology and when you see them laugh about it (as Obama did when talking about Nancy Reagan during the campaign), it's very much to cover up that they really do use astrologers and prognosticators of all kinds. Even the whole Nancy Reagan story was fabricated to take the focus off of the fact that it was RONALD REAGAN who was a strong user of astrology.

There's a great book you should check out, if you already haven't:

The Secret Architecture of Our Nation's Capital: The Masons and the Building of Washington, D.C. by David Ovason. You can get it on Amazon.com.

I love how he calls it "secret" architecture because it's really not so secret. If you go on any of the most common or cheap tours of Washington, D.C. you'll find that you can't escape all of the zodiacs and astrological symbolism in every federal building. And the artwork is really beautiful.

I think it was obvious that GWB was using an astrologer or prognosticator in May of 2004 shortly before his daughter Barbara graduated from Yale. That was the month where the probability was at it's highest that Tecumseh's curse would have gone into effect. What did happen was amazing. George Bush was riding his mountain bike on his property in Texas:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/22/bush.fall/index.html

I can remember being so freaked out about the accuracy of the astrology. He didn't die but he did receive quite an injury, an abrasion in the form of a line right down the middle of his face. It had somehow disappeared by the time he arrived in New Haven for his daughter's graduation, but it was quite a story with the mundane astrological community here. He crashed his bike again that summer and continued to crash his bike several times through out the rest of his presidency.

As for Obama's chart being connected to Kennedy's crossover chart, believe me, none of the Obama/Kennedy connections have been lost on us over here, especially since transiting Neptune was traveling over that point (his ASC) for him and squaring Hillary Clinton's ASC during the entire campaign process.

Personally, I think that Sabian Symbol referencing the forest fire being subdued, etc., really describes Obama having to clean up the massive debris of the car wreck that was/is this country since GWB left office. Heck, he had to begin, at least POSTURING that he was in charge, even before Bush left office because we were still within the first 90 days after the Stock Market crashed and the housing bubble burst. The exact same scenario as when as when Franklin Roosevelt was elected. The current sitting president was nowhere to be seen, he sat and did nothing but wait for the next guy to come and clean up the mess.

So Obama is having to subdue many different fires and the oil spill is only one of them. Not only that, he is the most protected president we've ever had in this country simply because of his skin color. So, in actuality we don't really need astrology to tell us that he needs to be careful, it is simply in the air at all times.

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im not american and of course i see this only through my perspective,which is quite subjective but:

in Obama i see an heroic man,i already told here that i have no doubt that we could have been,or if not,a very close person associated with Lincoln.

dont know if ws here in Ll or some other forum,that someone talked about seeing that rhough Akashic records.

some people in my family,everytime they see Obama in tv say..." dont know why but this man could very well end up being killed very soon...sooner than we can think"

dont ask me why,cause i know nothhing of polictics but i do believe that Obama,by what he inspires,and by the SOUL he is,....which no other president of EUA of these times had,....is much more vulnerable.

the more the "human power" he has,the more he has to be protected.

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posted July 24, 2010 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We hear that everyday here in the states. My personal opinion is that people are afraid to have faith and hope that this could really be happening. As an African American I had the same feeling when he was elected and sworn in.

And yes, it's a possibility as with every president, but what can you do about it? Nothing.

As for Obama's past life relationship to Lincoln, I read about him possibly being U.S. Senator Lymon Trumbull at www.johnadams.net which is a website that consults with trance channelers such as Kevin Ryerson, one of Shirley MacLaines favorite spiritual advisors.

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posted July 24, 2010 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had a vision shortly after the election, that I saw the president elect getting shot during the inaugaration. Obviously he made it through. I don't know, maybe I was just picking up on the possible anxiety of most Americans, that this is a heavy possibility, due to the fact that he is black, and there are many racist people still to this day in this country.

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posted July 24, 2010 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AbsintheDragonfly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh PS ~ Did anyone check out the GHW Bush Chart yet? I remember reading that he WAS in Dallas that day. He was also very powerful and high up in the CIA, high up enough to be given an "assignment" such as that.

Birth Data for GHW Bush:

born: June 12, 1924, 11:45 AM
in: Milton Hill, MA USA

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posted July 24, 2010 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder about Barack Obama being Frederick Douglas in a pastlife. Like Barack Obama, Frederick Douglas was also born to a white parent and black parent. He was also a great orator like Barack Obama. He was a slave,and he ended up becoming a great abolitionist. He had to flee to England to avoid being captured. His freedom was paid for by his English friends. He also ran for political office.


Frederick Douglass (born Frederick Augustus Washington Bailey, circa 1818 – February 20, 1895) was an American social reformer, orator, writer and statesman. After escaping from slavery, he became a leader of the abolitionist movement, gaining renown for his dazzling oratory and incisive antislavery writing. Douglass also actively supported women's suffrage. Following the Civil War, he worked on behalf of equal rights for freedmen, and held multiple public offices. His classic autobiography, Life and Times of Frederick Douglass, is one of the best known accounts of American slavery.

"Douglass was a firm believer in the equality of all people, whether black, female, Native American, or recent immigrant. He was fond of saying, "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."

At the 1888 Republican National Convention, Douglass became the first African American to receive a vote for President of the United States in a major party's roll call vote.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass


As a person that has a similar parentage (white mother,black father) as Barack Obama, I believe that I owe my life to not just Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. but also Frederick Douglass.

I viewed both as my heroes,and they are 2 of the main people that influence my ideals and approach to life.


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posted July 24, 2010 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh yes I wanted to add something..probably a little airy fairy but I read that Brad Pitt might be interested in running for senate in the future... He has Moon conjunct Venus in Cappy 22-23 degrees.

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posted July 28, 2010 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absinthe,
GWH Bush has a typical creepy psycho chart, though not as dark as LBJ's.

1. NESSUS opp Libra Moon, 2.5 degrees, NESSUS square retro Venus, 2 degrees.
2. DEJANIRA conjunct DESCENDANT, 11 Pisces, exact.
3. Mars conjunct South Node exact
4. Uranus square Sun exact.
5. Neptune in 12th square ANUBIS. Deadly!

But on the day of the assassination, Transit NEMESIS trines his Natal NEMESIS, Tr True Node conjunct his Pluto and Sun opposed to his Mercury. He probably knew who did it, maybe he deduced it but was not involved himself.

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posted January 15, 2011 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 16, 2011 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump for RiverDawg...

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posted January 16, 2011 01:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 16, 2011 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So that means Brad Pitts Venus conjuncts my ASC in Cap at 21 11'11...No wonder I have always liked him! lol

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posted January 16, 2011 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blonderiverkat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dbl Post....grrrr internet!

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posted January 16, 2011 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mochai     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can't understand why people find Brad Pitt attractive, and his venus conjuncts mine! I find him so unattractive

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posted April 02, 2016 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bump.

Interesting iQ.


I was reading that George W Bush's grandfather is actually Aleister Crowley. I wonder if Astrology can show that?

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