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Topic: barrenness, lack of desire for children or the opposties in the natal chart
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electricmind
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posted July 22, 2010 09:20 PM
 
i think i may have seen a post on a similar topic awhile back. but i decided to post a thread on it anyway.by experience or just insight, what would you look for in a chart to show these things? a strong desire for children, a complete lack of desire. barrenness or someone who is like uber fertile- everytime they lay down they get preggo... i know someone with an empty 5th house. they have capricorn on the cusp with saturn in aries in the 8th house. he is definitely afraid to have children. feels like they will take away his freedom. he says that he could not imagine not getting any sleep at nite. that is quite strange but thats what he says. an interpretation could be that children will have a rather transformative effect on his life, and/or he won't have them until later in life. i have taurus on the 5th house cusp with venus in capricorn in the first house. i have a strong desire for children, but i couldn't imagine having them until i have a level of stability in my career. i love children...all of them. and children flock to me. it could be the aqua sun or aries moon...
thoughts?
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Lioness
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posted July 23, 2010 12:04 AM
I never wanted to really get married or have kids.. I think it's my Uranus in the 7th.. But I did get married and have kids, only not in that order... LOL... Fate stepped.. I really had a fear of getting married. I didnt want to be tied down, and If it didnt work out I just wanted to be able to walk away, w/o lawyers and divorce crap... When my husband first asked me to marry him, I was SHOCKED.. I said what for, we already live together what difference will a piece of paper make..
I felt bad for what I said, I realized I hurt his feelings, so I went ahead and said yes... I was married for 12 years.. Don't get me wrong I want relationships, I just dont want to get married.. This Womb is out of business.. no more for me! IP: Logged |
electricmind
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posted July 23, 2010 12:06 AM
what is your moon sign and house?
what sign is on the 5th house cusp, and where is its ruler?IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted July 23, 2010 12:35 AM
Who me?? 5th house ruler is Cancer Sun,Moon, and Mercury are all in the 5th in Leo. All three sextile Uranus... Moon sextile Uranus at exact degree. Sun and Mercury sextile Uranus by one degree both ways. Uranus is at 15Lib in h7
Sun 16Leo in h5
Moon 15 Leo in h5
Merc. 14 Leo in h5 IP: Logged |
electricmind
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posted July 23, 2010 12:47 AM
uranus surely did a number on ur 5th house ruler, the moon. 'shocked' is such a uranian word. i take it ur pregnancies were unplanned surprises? so interesting.excellent case study lioness.
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Lioness
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posted July 23, 2010 01:42 AM
Well the first one was I'M WHAT!!!!! HOW!!! WHAT DO U MEAN???? ARE YOU SURE!!! etc.. The 2nd, was planned, but because the husband begged and begged and begged for years!
So I finally agreed. But of course I loveeeee, ;Loveeeee my kids 
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Happy Dragon
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posted July 23, 2010 08:52 AM
** what would you look for in a chart to show these things? ..
.. ... a complete lack of desire .. **be typing up some info at mo. .. i.e re uranus in the chart ..
( be re the 4th 'n 10th houses ) " By its very nature, Uranus will resist obligations, emotionally and materially, of parenthood. It may seem a bit cruel, but Uranus in either of the parental houses does suggest that one or other of the parents had difficulty in relating to children, because he or she may have been deeply ambivalent about being a parent. Uranus reflects a spirit that seeks to break free of bondage to biology, social structures, family structures, and emotional obligation - and it is this spirit which, when the planet is in the 4th or 10th, will have been at work within the parental psyche. This suggests the sort of problematic issues that people with Uranus in these houses so often describe when they talk about their parents. "
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amowls*
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posted July 23, 2010 09:42 AM
My 5th house ruler (Venus) squares Uranus and while the idea of kids is cool (fascinating to see how they would grow up), pregnancy scares the living crap out of me, and I'd prefer not to do that at all. Plus once you have kids, your entire life has to revolve around them otherwise you're a "bad parent" (especially if you are a woman).If I weren't a woman, I'd be more open to having kids because it would be someone else's primary responsibility (I don't think it's fair, but that's how society sees it... there is definitely way less pressure on men) and I won't have to be pregnant. I also have Moon and Pluto in my 5th. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 23, 2010 10:26 AM
My Mother is strong in Uranus energy. She has Sun combust Mercury in Aqua in the 12th house.
Aqua ,to me, is not a good sign for a mother.
This is JUST my experience.I am not saying anything about any other Aqua mothers lol.
She hated anything to do with dependency. When I was in nursery school(age 4-5) she was telling me I was too dependent 
Aqua is a cool,airy sign.She had Libra moon which is also a cool ,air sign.
She was not a warm fuzzy mother. I needed that with a Cancer moon.
Anyway, I can see how Uranian energy would be hard for a mother.
Your independence has to take a back seat and you somehow have to make peace with that. Ami
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belgz
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posted July 23, 2010 10:46 AM
Well said Ami.
You know I'm a cancerian with three planets in Cancer and a Gemini moon.
My mum on the other hand is a Gemini Sun and Aries Moon with Cancer rising and I think she's too dependant. My mum always complained we wern't emotional enough. We were too tough for her and she tried to break us because of that.
Anyways back to the topic... I have no planets in fifth and its ruled by saturn with more aquarius in there. I never EVER wanted kids. 2 years ago I looked around me and all my friends had babies and I am not lying when I say this I have about 20 best friends and ALL were married and either pregnant or had kids! So what happened to me? I wanted a baby. I figured my life was great I had everything and it would keep me occupied forever and make me happy. That was a few months ago and was during the whole time my progressed moon was in Taurus going through my 8th house and alot of transits to my moon. Thank god that is over because now that all my friends babies are not so cute anymore and are learning to talk and make a mess and be a huge responsibility I remembered why I didn't want kids in the first place. I have Saturn in first conjunct Pluto and uranus conjunct Jupiter in Sag. I in no way doubt my parenting skills though and if I did become a mum I know i will be the best mum I can be and change completely when required otherwise I would abort it. I have a very maternal side to me that I see with my cat .. Kisses to my baby Kimbba... cont. but yeah I never had a desire for a child before all this... My reasons were: It is painful
It causes stretch marks
It comes out of a place I wish it didn't
it ruins your body
It crys and whinges and requires 100% attention and time
It is forever
It can cause you alot of upsetting/happy moments in life
It can take away your dreams and career My reasons for wanting it the last 2 years were: Settle down
Having children around the same age as my friends children
It was the only way my bf and I could've gotten married because our families were against it.
I had set up a home and was ready
I wasn't working at the time
I had the financial means
I had travelled enough and thought I had had enough fun
I wanted to progress in life
I wanted change
I wanted a family
Whether or not they are the right reasons that was all really.
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Ami Ann
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posted July 23, 2010 10:53 AM
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It comes out of a place I wish it didn't
God should have had another plan 
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Ami Ann
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posted July 23, 2010 10:53 AM
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lalalinda
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posted July 23, 2010 12:52 PM
Yes Belgz, that's all true but
having a baby (your baby)
also makes you feel a tremendous amount of unconditional love, there is no other love like this and no matter how much you imagine what it will be like, it still doesn't begin to touch on the enormity of this perfect, complete, unconditional love you feel when you look at your baby for the first time. Magic  Fertile Moons are Water and Earth (except Capricorn) IP: Logged |
electricmind
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posted July 23, 2010 01:37 PM
this is all so very interesting.
thanks everyone for responding.my moon is in aries, which i hear is not the best placement for the moon. on top of that its in the 3rd house and pretty heavily aspected: a square from neptune, jupiter and my ascendant. its widely trine uranus. my venus in capricorn, ruler of my taurean 5th house, is exactly quintile pluto, sextile both mars and saturn pretty tightly. my venus is in the 1st house. i have a very strong desire for children. of course once my career is on a good path...although that is flexible. i just want to have some semblance of stability. i don't want to be struggling financially. i feel like having children is like a calling. and i definitely hear it! i feel like i would enjoy it so much. the ups down. the love and joy. and to share the joy of parenthood with someone. my parents and other older family members seemed to have had such a wonderful time raising children. i want to partake in all of that as well. is there anyone who is unable to have children IP: Logged |
Peri
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posted July 23, 2010 01:47 PM
I am 33 and I still don't want children, not sure I ever will. My 5th house is in Gemini empty, 5HR Merc is conjunct Sedna (Sedna is conj Chiron), opp Uranus and square Saturn, maybe that's the reason.hey Lynda  IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted July 23, 2010 02:15 PM
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jenfullmoon
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posted July 23, 2010 06:23 PM
Empty 5th here, but I'd cite my lack of interest in kids on my Moon/Venus opposition, both square Saturn in Leo. I am really super unnurturing and a hardass. IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted July 23, 2010 07:10 PM
I have had no interest in having kids ever (and I'm 31 now)... I don't feel that changing anytime soon...I have 3 planets in my 5th- Venus, Pluto and Uranus with Venus being the ruler of my 5th... wide conj with Venus and Uranus (8 degrees) Moon in Taurus in the 11th/12th house (it's 2 degrees from the house cusp and I pick up qualities of both) Moon aspects... inconj Sun (exact)
opposite Venus (9 degrees)
opposite Uranus (1 degree)
trine Saturn (6 degrees)
inconj Neptune (1 degree)
inconj Pluto (exact) IP: Logged |
amowls*
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posted July 23, 2010 10:38 PM
Ami, I have an Aqua Sun and Libra Moon like your mom too I will disagree that Aqua is a bad place for motherhood, however. My mom is an Aqua Moon and she is very affectionate and loving with me. She gives me exactly what I need.I think it really comes down to synastry and the natures of the child/parent. If you have a lot of water and your parents are very Airy, you may feel that they are too distant but if you are airy and they are watery, their emotionalism would be too suffocating. IP: Logged |
belgz
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posted July 23, 2010 10:49 PM
Yeah I think the moon sign is more important than the sun sign. We all react on an emotional level.I just have a problem with sun in Gemini with air or fire moon combo. My friends fiance is a Gemini sun with a Capricorn moon and she is such a great person I love her!! But my mum with a Gemini sun and Aries moon is just too much! IP: Logged |
joyrjw
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posted November 14, 2010 04:07 AM
In Koch/Equal house I have uranus,sun,mars,mercury in scorpio. Venus is the 5th house ruler and Venus Capricorn 2'01(much of the time I feel like Venus in Sag) is OOBs and and conjunct my Descendant Sag 29'05 My Moon Virgo is in my 3rd house conjunct my IC. I've wanted children since I can remember.
I'm not sure what aspect causes that. Children didn't really like me that much, and often still see me as one of them. I don't know why. As I've grown older children seem to like me more, so maybe some part of me has changed. I wonder if I can have children though. I've had a few times where I could have gotten pregnant and nothing happened. I read that the sun in the 5th house can be "too hot" and burn out the fertility. I don't know. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted November 14, 2010 06:43 AM
I've never had an affinity for children, and I honestly don't understand people that do. I mean, it's fine if you have and love your children, but people who go bananas for a fat baby sitting in a diaper and bonnet? C'mon. Really?I get hassled all the time because I don't want kids. Apparently since i'm a female wanting to be a brat-barer should be encoded into my DNA. Nope. Sorry. Not this Leo lass. Truly, the IDEA of pregnancy seems unnatural to me. Your body becomes a host to a parasite. This being GROWING INSIDE YOUR BODY, and you have no control over it. Your body changes, and expands, without your permission. You go through all sorts of mood swings and weird cravings... i don't know... eww... Having children means sacrifice. It means that your life is no longer your own. You have to do what's right for the children. That means putting spouse, career, friends, hobbies and self second. I can't do that. That's not the lifestyle I want to lead. I am too selfish, and I recognize that. I want to be able to leave at a moments notice and fly across the continent to make a film. Can't drop everything when you have a family. I have Moon in Aqua, in the 3rd (Mercury in the 10th).
5th house cusp is Pisces (Neptune is in 3rd, Jupiter in 9th). IP: Logged |
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posted November 14, 2010 08:44 AM
Being a mother is not a big priority in my life. For starters: I do not want to be pregnant. The idea of being perpetually uncomfortable for 40 weeks is not that appealing to me. I don't dislike children, but I'm not sure if I would upgrade from a 24-40 hour a week job to a 24-7 thing (I already work on a Peds Floor). Cancer Sun
Virgo Moon
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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted November 14, 2010 10:25 AM
You know, I never wanted children. at the time I felt it was the ONLY way I could make sure not to perpetuate the abuse by my parents.However, as John Lennon said, "life is what happens while you're busy making other plans..." I apparently am the most fertile woman, ever...I was on the pill, and Kevin and I found out we were pregnant. After much back and forth, we jumped into the deep end, so to speak. And now we have 4 children. Let me just say, becoming a parent, is one of the most wonderful, beautiful, and amazing things that has ever happened to me! I was able to heal that little girl inside me. I was able to meet her needs, and help her feel ok. Pregnancy, not my most favorite thing. However, look at it this way, instead of being a parasite: YOU, a WOMAN, take 2 things, and make cells and grow a HUMAN BEING!!! How freaking awesome is that? Only girls can do that! Think about that for a moment. Only Women can give birth. Death comes to everyone, but only Women bring forth life. Not only that, then you birth this person. That was by far the most powerful thing I have ever experienced in my existance on Earth. If I can do that, there's nothing I CANNOT do. RAWR! Then you get to feed them from your body, and they grow, and thrive!!! How awesome is that??? Becoming a parent made me grow, in so many ways, that I never would have without them. I am indebted to them for the rest of my life. They are the neatest, and coolest people. I get to spend each day with them, and watch them grow and change and develop as people, and I get to help!  I wish I had enough words to say how much I love them, and am so grateful to them for coming into my life, and Choosing ME!!! Flawed and imperfect ME! I work hard on myself, to be the best mother I can. Cappy Sun/merc/venus in 5th
Taurus Moon conj the MC in the 9th
Saggy on the 5th cusp
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AbsintheDragonfly
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posted November 15, 2010 12:29 PM
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