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DD
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posted July 25, 2010 03:58 PM
  
While I was unpacking today and putting the books in my shelves - so many books. lol- I kind of stumbled across the one by Rose Murray and the one by Ronald Davidson on synastry. Very different authors, yet BOTH referred to the Venus zodiac and using it for relationships.
Venus-zodiac is similiar to the Drconic one, just that you put Venus on the Aries p oint.
To get your placements in the Venus zodiac you just have to substract the position of your Venus from all other planets. Example:
Venus on 10 Taurus 10 Taurus equals 40° in the whole zodiac. You substract 40 from all other positions. Let`s say Sun is on 00° Gemini (60 degree in the whole zodiact) So you calculate: 60 - 40 = 20 So your Sun in the Venusian zodiac would be on 20° Aries. Do your Venusian positions relate to your partner`s natal ones? Or their Venusian positions?
I am specifically looking for tight conjnctions and oppositions here.
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posted July 25, 2010 04:25 PM
My Venus is 15 Libra. Erm, what do I subtract?
195 ??!! Oh, dear...My Sun is 9 Virgo, which gives me 159? IP: Logged |
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posted July 25, 2010 04:31 PM
I think I have to subtract 61... off to astro.com to check everything out now.  *edit. Moon = 29*Pisces
True Node = 0*Libra
Chiron = 22*Aquarius?
Sun = 23*Aquarius
Ascendant = 1*Virgo?
Mars = 1*Capricorn
Uranus = 29*Leo
Neptune = 10*Libra
Jupiter = 5*Aquarius
Mercury = 18*Aquarius
Saturn = 11*Taurus (conjunct my Sun midpoint with my Moon/Venus)
Pluto = 6*Leo (Did I do that right? Subtracting 61* from everything?) IP: Logged |
Peri
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posted July 25, 2010 04:40 PM
starkiss, in this case just add 360, so you get: 360+159-195=324 which is 24 AquariusIP: Logged |
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posted July 25, 2010 04:46 PM
Peri, thank you! In that case my Venusian position is squaring my SO's Asc in Tau and Jupiter in Sco. IP: Logged |
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posted July 25, 2010 05:21 PM
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posted July 25, 2010 05:30 PM
You can use the Arabic Parts calculator. Sorry, I'm not on a comp so don't know how to link, but you can find it through google.
Once there, enter...
In 1st box - Aries 0
In 3rd box- Your Venus placement
Leave those alone, then in the 2nd box enter the sign and degree of every planet you want to convert.
I learned this shortcut from Izo many moons ago.  IP: Logged |
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posted July 25, 2010 05:47 PM
My Venus is at around 20ēdegrees Aries, my Sun is at around 2ēdegrees Aries, so -20ēdegrees to my Sun's position, it would be around 12ēdegrees Pisces. Right on my bf's Moon at 12ēdegrees.My bf's Venus is at around 5ēdegrees Libra, and his Sun at around 21ēdegree Scorpio. So -185ēdegrees to his Sun's position, it would be around 16ēdegrees Taurus. Very near to my NN (conjunction under 3ēdegrees). IP: Logged |
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posted July 25, 2010 06:36 PM
Everyone on the planets Venus Venus hits my tropical moon/Venus/Saturn/NN as it's bang on 0' Aries lol
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posted July 26, 2010 04:51 AM
Lara,I wouldn`t consider the Venus in the Venusian Zodiac as it is ALWAYS on 0 Aries.
of course everyone who has a planet exactly conjunct their Venus will have this planet in his Venusian zodiac conjunct your stellium on 00 Aries.
But I definitely would consider that as it is an individual thing.
BTW with that Stellium exactly on the Aries Point, you naturally will draw a lot of attention to you. IP: Logged |
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posted July 26, 2010 04:53 AM
Starkiss:Substract 15 from every of your planetary positions and after that add 180° (an exact opposition). Example: your Sun is on 9° Virgo or 159°. So; 159 - 15= 144 24 Leo, then add the opposition and your Venusian Sun adds up being on 24 Aquarius, exactly conjnct my natal Psyche and mean Lilith.  IP: Logged |
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posted July 26, 2010 04:55 AM
Teasel,if your Venus is on 1° Gemini yes.
you could also substract one from all your positions and then turn it back to the last sextilesign.
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DD
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posted July 26, 2010 04:57 AM
Jane,Sun, Moon, ASC, NN in interaction. Exactly what i was hoping to find. What orbs did you use? IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 26, 2010 04:59 AM
My tropical placements - Venusian placements:Sun: 26 Sagittarius - 20 Pisces
Moon: 17 Aquarius - 11 Taurus
Mercury: 25 Sagittarius - 19 Pisces
Venus: 6 Capricorn
Mars: 5 Sagittarius - 29 Aquarius
Juiter: 11 Pisces - 5 Gemini
Saturn: 17 Cancer - 11 Libra
Uranus: 1 Scorpio - 25 Capricorn
Neptune: 10 Sagittarius - 4 Pisces
Pluto: 9 Libra - 3 Capricorn
NN: 10 Sagittarius - 4 Pisces
ASC: 7 Sagittarius - 1 Pisces
MC : 5 Libra - 29 Sagittarius Chiron: 20 Aries - 14 Cancer
Karma: 16 Gemini - 10 Virgo
Amor: 2 Sagittarius - 26 Aquarius
Psyche: 24 Aquarius - 18 Taurus
Eros: 21 Cancer - 15 Libra
Cupido: 19 Leo - 13 Scorpio
Valentine: 27 Scorpio - 21 Aquarius
Vertex: 21 Cancer - 15 Libra
Aphrodite: 13 Libra - 7 Capricorn
Juno: 17 Pisces - 11 Gemini
true BML: 28 Aquarius - 22 Taurus
DNA: 20 Libra - 14 Capricorn
How interesting that my v Pluto is losely conjunct my t Venus - and in the tropical they are square!
Also my Venus is in Capricorn squaring Pluto, and V Saturn is on tropical Pluto.
It really is emphasised, that Venus-Pluto-square isn`t it?
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posted July 26, 2010 09:12 AM
I checked for some connections in celebrity charts; pointing out only really significant ones:1) Newman - Woodward his t Sun opposite her v Pluto (2)
her v Sun opposite his v Pluto (3)
her v Sun conjunct his v Jupiter (1) his t Moon conjunct her v Mars (2)
his v Moon conjunct her v IC (1) her v ASC conjunct his v Saturn (1) his v NN conjunct her t MC (0) (2) Browning - Barrett Browning
her v Sun conjunct his t Pluto (2)
her t Sun conjunct his v DESC (1)
his v Moon conjunt her t Jupiter (1)
his v Moon conjunct her t NN (1)
his v Moon conjunct her v IC (3)
his v Moon conjunct her v Jupier (3)
his v Moon conjunct her v NN (3)
his t Moon conjunct her v ASC (3)
her v Moon conjunct his t MC (3) his v DESC conjunct her v Mars (3)
his v DESC conjunct her v Pluto (2)
her v DESC conjunct his v Jupiter (0) his v SN conjunct her v Neptune (2)
her v SN conjunct his t Jupiter (2)
her v NN conjunct his t Saturn (1)
her t NN conjunct his v NN (1) his st Venus conjunct her v MC (1)
her t Venus conjunct his v Jupiter (3) (3) Burton - Taylor his v Sun opposite her t Jupiter (2)
his v Sun conjunt her t Mars (1) his t MOon conjunct her v SN (0)
her v Moon conjunct his t Mars (0) his t ASC conjunct her v NN (3)
his v ASC conjunct her t DESC (2)
her v ASC conjunct his v Neptune (3) his t NN conjunct her v Jupiter (0) his t Venus opposite her v Pluto (1)
her t Venus conjunct his v Jupiter (3) (4) Cash - CArter
unfortunately her ASC, MC and Moon are unknown his v Sun opposite her t Mars (3)
her t Sun conjunct his v Pluto (3) his t Moon conjunct her v Saturn (2) his t Venus conjunct her v Jupiter (0)
(5)Olivier - Leigh
his v MOon conjunct her v Chiron (2)
her v Moon opposite his v Chiron (2)
her v Moon conjunct his t NN (4) his t DESC conjunct her v Pluto (3)
his v DESC conjunct her t Sun (3)
his v ASC conjunct her t ASC (3) his v NN conjunct her t Pluto (4) IP: Logged |
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posted July 26, 2010 10:00 AM
jane, so smart with the arabic parts calculator! I was doing it all by hand before :[Anyway, my Venus is at 29 Pisces so all of my planets just shift one degree lol. Sun: 19 Aqua = 20 Aqua
Moon: 23 Libra = 24 Libra
Mercury: 24 Aqua = 25 Aqua
Venus: 29 Pisces = 0 Aries
Mars: 20 Sag = 21 Sag
Jupiter: 24 Aries = 25 Aries
Saturn: 29 Sagittarius = 0 Capricorn
Uranus: 29 Sagittarius = 0 Capricorn
Neptune: 9 Capricorn = 10 Capricorn
Pluto: 12 Scorpio = 13 Scorpio
ASC: 27 Gem = 28 Gem
MC: 4 Pisces = 5 Pisces My boyfriend's...
Sun: 16 Cancer = 5 Pisces
Moon: 16 Virgo = 5 Taurus
Mercury: 4 Cancer = 23 Aquarius
Venus: 10 Leo = 0 Aries
Mars: 13 Leo = 2 Aries
Jupiter: 25 Gemini = 14 Aquarius
Saturn: 10 Capricorn = 29 Leo
Uranus: 2 Capricorn = 21 Leo
Neptune: 10 Capricorn = 29 Leo
Pluto: 12 Scorpio = 1 Cancer
ASC: 10 Gemini = 29 Capricorn
MC: 17 Aquarius = 6 Libra I see a lot of connections like his V-Shift Mars conjunct my natal Venus and his V-shift Sun conjunct my natal MC. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 26, 2010 10:45 AM
Amowls,I think a Venus-Mars conjunction in the Venusian zodiac must be very significant. I have checked some more synastries:
(6) Banderas - Griffith
his v Sun opposing her t Venus
her v Sun opposing his t Venus her t Moon opposing his v Saturn his t SN conjunct her v Mars
his v NN conjunct her v Jupiter
(7) Mc Carntey - Eastman
his t Sun opposite her v Pluto
his v Sun conjunct her t DESC
his v Sun oppoiste her v Jupiter
her v Sun opposite his t Moon his t ASC conjunct her v DESC
his v ASC conjunct her t Pluto her t Venus opposite his v Jupiter (8) Tracey - Hepburn her t Sun conjunct his v DESC exact
her v Sun opposite his v Saturn his t Moon opposite her v Mars exact
her v Moon opposite his v Saturn her t ASC conjunct his v Saturn her t SN conjunct hsi v Mars
her v SN conjunct his t Saturn her t Venus conjunct his v Pluto
(9) Depp - Paradis
his v Moon conjunct her t ASC
her v MOon conjunct his v SN his v ASC Conjunct her t Saturn exact his v SN conjunct her t Mars exact
her t SN conjunct his v Pluto IP: Logged |
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posted July 26, 2010 11:05 AM
Interesting, you also have Pluto linked to ASC / DESC, as so many of the other synastries I posted. I wonder if there is a pattern to it.
(Pluto was conjunct / opposit Sun, ASC Venus or NN in all cases I posted; I didn´t mention it with the Banderas-Griffith case, as the orb was 4 degrees, but still this is interesting)
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posted July 26, 2010 11:07 AM
We can limit it even more, it was always v Pluto!IP: Logged |
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posted July 26, 2010 12:54 PM
Hmm that's interesting about Pluto... I'm going to post a few ex's vshift planets:This ex and I have pretty fated charts together (Vertex/ASC DW conjunctions, his Moon conjunct my SN, MC/IC conjunction), but we never really officially dated and our longest "relationship" with each other was a few months but it was illicit and secret:
Sun: 26 Aqua = 14 Taurus
Moon: 21 Virgo = 8 Sag
Mercury: 13 Pisces = 1 Gemini
Venus: 12 Capricorn = 0 Aries
Mars: 26 Aries = 14 Cancer
Jupiter: 26 Pisces = 14 Gemini
Saturn: 19 Sag = 7 Pisces
Uranus: 25 Sag = 13 Pisces
Neptune: 7 Cap = 24 Pisces
Pluto: 9 Scorpio = 27 Capricorn
NN: 12 Aries = 29 Gemini
ASC: 17 Scorpio = 5 Aquarius
MC: 5 Virgo = 23 Scorpio The only thing I noticed is his v-shift NN conjunct my ASC. No Pluto connections (though my natal Eros is at 24 Cap). Maybe the Pluto thing only works with long term couples? ETA: I just checked the chart of my ex that I dated for 2 1/2 years (my longest relationship) and his V-shift Pluto is exactly opposite my natal Sun! Also my most recent ex's (we dated for a year) v-shift Pluto is conjunct my natal DSC!! I smell a theory! IP: Logged |
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posted July 26, 2010 01:44 PM
Amowls,this is exciting, that this fits with your charts, too!
I also agree that it probably will work only with long-term-connections.
It does even work with long-term-onesided crushs, as I noticed; well at least those which have karmic implications (but then I think every crush that goes on for several years probably have some karmic aspect to it).
Saturn seemed to play a role, too.
Even though it was not present in ALL cases, but in those it was not, Pluto was. lol
Saturn and Pluto feel pretty karmic to me, all in all. Or at least deep and serious.
Interestingly the Venusian zodiac connections with Jude Law are not so convincing for once, BUT his v Pluto is exactly opposing my t Sun/Moon-mp, and exact conjunct my t Eros and t Vertex.
Gotta have some deeper look again. The basic comparision (Sun, Moon, ASC, NN, Saturn, Pluto, Venus) with these both musical performers I have admired for about 20 years now, I have gulpworthy connections with.
Really. 
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posted July 26, 2010 03:21 PM
DD - quote:
What orbs did you use?
360*. Too wide? Under 2*59'.
Only exception is one of the Sun-Asc aspects. That's under 3*10'.
amowls -
I  that handy dandy calculator. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 26, 2010 03:31 PM
Jane,"360*. Too wide? "
Not at all.
"Under 2*59'."
Yeah, me too, well except for when I was desperate then I used up to 4 degrees, but really not more.
4 are much too wide though, if no other exact or tight aspects are existent imo.
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posted July 26, 2010 03:40 PM
DD - quote:
Not at all.
I knew you'd understand. But yes, I agree on the orbs. Most of ours are less than 1*00. I think you'll find exact orbs whenever a type of bond is in play, from shift charts to tropical synastry. That doesn't mean the wider orb aspects are insignificant, just that you would've even be paused long enough to feel them w/o those narrow ones there binding you. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted July 26, 2010 04:00 PM
Totally agree with you,
but for now I am still trying to discern IF the Venusian zodiac is relevant at all.I also wondered if the calculation is logical; after all it is similiar to the Draconic, BUT for the draconics we take the NORTH NODE of the Moon, not the Moon itself. Wouldn`t it make sense then to use the NORTH NODE Of Venus, too?
But maybe the planetary positions can of course be shifted to the Aries point, too.
Jude and me do not have significant zero aspects in the Venusian zodiac I think. 
His V Moon is conjunct my t Moon under 2 degree though.
And my V Sun is exactly conjunct his t Eros which I found interesting.
and his V Pluto is exact on my t Eros as mentioned. Oh Jeez, let`s face it, that is the root of that strange connection. EROS.
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