posted August 06, 2010 09:56 AM         

EDIT:
But then again as a Sagittarius I will probably always look out for the silver linen at the horizon, and I WILL find it, no matter how long I have to be looking.

A sagittarius without hope and faith is a very miserable view. And I think most depressions of Sagittarians stem from that lack of hope and faith. So it is necessary for my psychological survival to have these two things.

posted August 06, 2010 10:11 AM         

What happened to me today: as I have inflammation in the mouth mucus membrane and can't eat and drink, I went today to visit doctor, who works instead of my doctor (on holiday). This doctor (psychiatrist) told me something, what is really unethical: I could have a Cancer in my mouth! (I remember that Dr. Sigmund Freud had oral cancer, for 16 years).

This doctor was angry (awful looking) because there was no patient except me.
I was so far to tell him, that I know about Cancer more than he knows, but my job in tourism has teached me to be friendly and kind, even when other person is mean. I don't like this kindness to the people, they have no manners at all and they have some kind of lower symptom levels.

posted August 06, 2010 10:24 AM         

that is horrible, what he did. I agree.

Actually I had a bad experience with a doctor last year, too.
He was actually yelling at me why I was being wasting his time, as I was having nothing.
Fact is that I was having a thyroid inflammation, that had already been healing.
I had been visiting him a year before, describing the symptoms, but he didn`t believe me. He probably thought I was hypochondric as I am quite young and healthy otherwise.
When I was there again last year he sent me to take an x ray which showed exactly that there had been an inflammation.
Yet he was yelling at me I was wasting his time.

I was shocked, so I didn´t react the right way. I should have just got up in the middle of his shouting and left.
Instead I left when he was done yelling.

posted August 06, 2010 12:42 PM         

orbs for aspecting the 12th house ruler ?

orbs for conjuncting/opposing draconic asteroids?

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 06, 2010 01:10 PM         

I am working with 2 degree orb with asteroids, expanding to 3 degrees in conjunctions if there is a stellium.

2 degrees for Draconic aspects, too.

For the ruler of the 12th house the normal orb would be valid, which means for me 3-4 degree, and then finito.

posted August 06, 2010 01:24 PM         

Ruler of 12th house- Venus (ruler of 5th also) in the 5th @ 10.39 Scorpio

Moon @ 19.54 Taurus
Karma @ 20.21 Rx Taurus
Destinn @ 26.39 Rx Taurus

Drac placement of Venus @ 17.55 Taurus
Drac ruler of 12th- Pluto or Mars
(which Pluto is located in the 5th and Mars in the 7th conj my DSC) and Mars is ruling my 5th in my Drac.

so no matter what way it's looked at... it looks like my karma or pastlife connections to this life is dealing with romantic relations... sigh

But can someone help me out with the Sabian meanings?

My Drac venus (kind of), Uranus, Merc, Neptune and Sun are all in my Natal 12th house

posted August 07, 2010 05:13 AM         

Ruler of my 12th = Venus in Gemini. (8th house)
I have Venus conjunct the Moon and South Node, square Mars, widely trine Pluto, widely sextile Jupiter, inconjunct Uranus/ascendant. Possible minor aspect from Saturn.

Ruler of 6th = Mars in Pisces, (4th house)
which trines Uranus/ascendant, and is inconjunct Pluto, along with the above info about the Moon and Venus.

I also have Uranus retrograde, in my 12th.

posted August 07, 2010 04:14 PM         

thank you for the nice words.
I just like to go a little bit further, a little bit deeper into things.
And I am always amazed at the asteroids you find and the arabic parts. Most of them I have never heard of before.

You must have been an extraordinarily beautiful and popular (Helena) woman with a very independent streak (Amazone) in Atlantis.

BTW my Valentine is on 27 Scorpio in my 12th house.
Oh and Draco Eros and Draco Vertex are on 10 Scorpio.
How is it that Atlantis ALWAYS pops up.
My 12th house ruler (Mars as ruler of Scorpio) is conjunct Atlantis, too. On 8 Sagittarius - Atlantis that is.

Pluto my modern 12th house ruler is in 10th house conjunct MC, just like in your chart (it is in Libra in my chart though).
I wonder what that could mean.

posted August 07, 2010 06:08 PM         

It took me hours to do, and I stopped looking at asteroids.......there were too many. If I remember right, I did a lot one time, showing that 50 asteroids were conjunct my Sun within 1 degree.

12th house cusp in 15'49 Leo
(Sabian: The Storm Ended, All Nature Rejoices in Brilliant Sunshine
'surge of life and love after a major crisis'

planets and asteroids in 12th house:
I'd include centaurs and transneptunians (especially the big ones)
transneptunian plutino Rhadamanthus (named after a son of Zeus, one of the 3 judges in the Underword)
transneptunian dwarf planet Makemake in 16'20 Leo (named after Rapanui Fertility Creation God)
transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea in 11'16 Virgo (named after Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess)
Parysatis in 5'13 Virgo - the 5th-century BCE illegitimate daughter of Artaxerxes I, Emperor of Persia and Andia of Babylon.
Psyche in 5'26 Virgo - named after wife of Eros, soul, psychic matters)
Ticino in 5'37 Virgo - canton of Ticino, located in Switzerland
Titurel in 5'31 Virgo - the wounded Grail-king
Coventry in 5'10 Virgo - city in the West Midlands, England
Tanga in 4'57 Virgo - Tanga, Tanzania, a city on the coast of Tanzania, near the Kenyan border (in Africa)
Taunus in 4'38 Virgo - The Taunus is a low mountain range in Hesse, Germany that composes part of the Rhenish Slate Mountains
Mather in 4'35 Virgo - Cotton Mather was a socially and politically influential New England Puritan minister, prolific author and pamphleteer; he is often remembered for his role in the Salem witch trials.
Irani in 4'15 Virgo - Iran,Persia
Parvati in 4'22 Virgo - Indian Goddess is considered by some schools of Hinduism as the supreme Divine Mother or Lordess and all other goddesses are referred to as her incarnations or manifestations. Shaktas consider her as the ultimate Divine Shakti — the embodiment of the total energy of the universe.
Dalian in 3'24 Virgo - the governing sub-provincial city in the eastern Liaoning Province of Northeast China,

° ruler of 12th house in sign (sabian), house and relevant aspectgs (also in relation to rulerships over houses)

12th house ruler (Sun) in 5'20 Scorpio
Sabian: The Gold Rush Tears Men Away From Their Native Soul
'the passionate search for new values which, at any level promise a more abundant life'

conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/pluto Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio (father of centaurs,first murderer in Greek mythology,punished by Zeus for sexual advancement toward Hera) - second chances,matters dealing with gratitude,karmic wheel,lust
conjunct asteroid Ariadne in 5'02 Scorpio (in Greek mythology helped Theseus and abandoned by her, married the Dionysus,the God of Wine)
conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node in 5'29 Scorpio (Greek Goddess of Discord) - diversity,equality,discord,controversy
conjunct Heliocentric South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio (a collective version)
conjunct Geocentric South Apollo Node in 5'37 Scorpio (Greek God of Light,Healing,Music,Truth,Prophecy,Archery)
conjunct Heliocentric South Apollo Node in 5'52 Scorpio (a collective Apollo influence)
conjunct Tuterov in 5'38 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Hermes Node in 5'07 Scorpio (Messenger of the Gods, Greek God of Thieves,Merchants,Liars,Shepherds)
conjunct Heliocentric South Hermes Node in 4'54 Scorpio (a collective Hermes influence)
conjunct Geocentric South Themis Node in 5'44 Scorpio (Greek Titan Goddess of Justice)
conjunct Heliocentric South Themis Node in 5'52 Scorpio (a collective Themis influence)
conjunct Soniaterk in 5'54 Scorpio - Sonia Delaunay-Terk (nėe Terk) was a Jewish-French artist noted for use of strong colours and geometric shapes. Her work extends to painting, textile design and stage set design.
conjunct Rudolf in 5'11 Scorpio
conjunct Chant in 5'01 Scorpio - chant,chanting
conjunct asteroid Selqet in 4'44 Scorpio (goddess of healing stings and bites who originally was the deification of the scorpion)
conjunct asteroid Iphigenia in 4'43 Scorpio (Greek Mythology, Daughter of Agamemnon and Clytemnestra, sacrificed for fairs winds of Troy
conjunct asteroid Lamb in 4'34 Scorpio - sacrificial lamb, a victim of human sacrifice????...especially with it being conjunct Iphigenia
conjunct asteroid Aurora in 4'27 Scorpio (Roman Goddess of the Dawn)
conjunct Stroobantia in 6'04 Scorpio - It is named for Paul Stroobant, director of the Royal Observatory at Uccle Belgium. His work concerned minor planets' mass, number, and distribution
conjunct Athor in 6'14 Scorpio (Eqyptian Goddess of Love,Fertility)
conjunct Startek in 6'16 Scorpio
conjunct Sylvania in 6'22 Scorpio - means "forest land" in Latin.
conjunct Billallen in 6'52 Scorpio
conjunct Napier in 3'59 Scorpio - Clan Napier is a Scottish clan originally from lands around Loch Lomond, but with presence in Stirlingshire, Edinburgh, Aberdeenshire and Kincardineshire.
conjunct Paulallen in 3'51 Scorpio - (Paul Allen,co-founder of Microsoft)
conjunct Odin in 3'37 Scorpio (Norse King of the Gods) - Maybe I was a viking in a pastlife
conjunct Dawn in 3'41 Scorpio - it's conjunct Aurora, the Roman Goddess of the Dawn
conjunct Cetacea in 4'19 Scorpio - the order Cetacea (pronounced /sɨˈteɪʃ(i)ə/, L. cetus, whale, from Greek) includes the marine mammals commonly known as whales, dolphins, and porpoises. Cetus is Latin and is used in biological names to mean "whale"; its original meaning, "large sea animal", was more general. It comes from Ancient Greek κῆτος (kētos), meaning "whale" or "any huge fish or sea monster". In Greek mythology the monster Perseus defeated was called Ceto, which is depicted by the constellation of Cetus. Cetology is the branch of marine science associated with the study of cetaceans.
oppose Laviolette in 4'43 Taurus - In feudal France it was a name given to soldiers and domestic servants.
oppose Aletheia in 4'42 Taurus - the ancient Greek word for truth
trine 11th house ruler Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th
trine Scardia in 5'22 Cancer Stationary R - Italian surname, heavily concentrated in the Heel of Italy, moth species
trine Jackierobinson in 5'29 Cancer - (Jackie Robinson,The first Black American professional baseball player, it could be about breaking color barriers)
trine Lala in 5'53 Cancer - Lala, Assam, a town in Assam, India, Lala, Lanao del Norte, a municipality in the Philippines
trine Nord in 3'43 Cancer - Nordic countries,people of Norway
trine Renate in 2'44 Cancer Stationary Direct - born again; regenerate; renewed, a comune in the region of Lombardy within the province of Milan in northwestern Italy.
trine Schulman in 5'23 Pisces - Schulman, also spelled Schulmann, is a surname, usually that of a Jewish person. The name is derived from the Yiddish word shul ("synagogue").
trine Severina in 5'09 Pisces - Italian and Spanish form of the Roman family name Severus which meant "stern" in Latin. The name Severus was borne by several early saints.
trine Hawking in 3'50 Pisces - (named after Stephen Hawking, it could be about being adept in science,physics, and going on in spite of handicap/disability)
square Peternorton in 5'40 Aquarius - (Peter Norton)
square Aigyptios in 5'47 Aquarius - (Egyptian,Egypt)
square Thessandrus in 4'31 Aquarius
square Vaticana in 4'25 Aquarius - (Vatican,Roman Catholic Church,Pope)
square Saletore in 5'34 Aquarius - Bhaskar Anand Saletore, a well known Indian historian was born in Karnataka in 1902.
square Amor in 5'22 Leo - amor,love
square Zelia in 5'10 Leo - Greek for zeal
square Ethiopia in 5'03 Leo - (Ethiopia,Ethiopians)
square Whalen in 4'38 Leo - is an anglicisation of the Irish surname, Ó Faoláin. The surname originates from the Middle Irish 'Úa Faeláin' (plural, 'Uí Faeláin') the name of the 10th to 11th century ruling dynasty of the Déisi, a population group inhabiting the area of the modern county of Waterford and south county Tipperary in the early medieval period.
square Arabia in 6'00 Leo - (Arabia, Arab)
sexile Psyche in 5'26 Virgo - (Greek Mythology, Eros' wife, soul,psychic matters)
sextile Titurel in 5'31 Virgo - principally the wounded Grail-king Titurel
sextile Geocentric South Dalian Node in 5'06 Virgo - is the governing sub-provincial city in the eastern Liaoning Province of Northeast China
sextile Coventry in 5'10 Virgo - city in the West Midlands, England
sextile Tanga in 4'57 Virgo - Tanga, Tanzania, a city on the coast of Tanzania, near the Kenyan border (in Africa)
sextile Taunus in 4'38 Virgo - The Taunus is a low mountain range in Hesse, Germany that composes part of the Rhenish Slate Mountains
Mather in 4'35 Virgo - Cotton Mather was a socially and politically influential New England Puritan minister, prolific author and pamphleteer; he is often remembered for his role in the Salem witch trials.
sextile Parvati in 4'22 Virgo - Indian Goddess is considered by some schools of Hinduism as the supreme Divine Mother or Lordess and all other goddesses are referred to as her incarnations or manifestations. Shaktas consider her as the ultimate Divine Shakti — the embodiment of the total energy of the universe.
sextile Groom in 5'27 Capricorn - groom,husband
sextile Patria in 5'16 Capricorn - "homeland, native land" in many languages, based on the Latin patria [terra] "native / ancestral land
sextile Porter in 4'32 Capricorn - porter

° ruler of 12th house conjunct / opposing Draconic planets / asteroids

I didn't bother looking at draconic stuff.

° Karma and Saturn and South Node

Karma in 3'01 Libra
Around A Campfire a Group Of Young People Sit in Spiirtual Communion
'the necessity to unite with kindred spirits as one enters unbeaten paths illumined by the still-insecure light of a dawning intuition of new values'

Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R
Workmen Drilling For Oil
'the avidity for that knowledge which ensures wealth and power'

South Lunar Node in 10'30 Leo in 11th
Children Play On A Swing Hanging From The Branches Of A Huge Oak Tree
'the power of tradition as it shelters the beginnings of individual self expression'

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 07, 2010 09:39 PM         

Well ... if I find a clue, I'll let all of you know!

By the way: I have been at a "psychic" about 2 months ago - quite a renowned one - I did it more "for fun" or due to curiosity. (I have been at 3 different "fortune tellers" before, first time I was 20, then at 25, at 38 - and again now, one year later. I was travelling through the US.) I don't BELIEVE in these things ("psychic readings"), I rather take it as a more or less entertaining "mirror" kind of thing. I mean: Everybody knows that "psychics", when they read your palm or study your "Aura", they're basically good PSYCHOLOGISTS. So I think, it's interesting to see what a "psychic" is reading into you - know what I mean? It's like some "Echo"-effect, that you can think about later. (What was the first thing that came to that psychic's mind, when she saw me, what was the first thing, she said to me .... etc. It's like: "Psyching out the psychic", haha.)

Well, that latest psychic (this May) was the first who didn't speak so much about my present life or future - she seemed fascinated with what she called my "long gone past". The session with her lasted about 30 minutes - I gave her hardly any information, she recognized that I came from Europe and was travelling, that's all. I didn't ask her about my love life - but about my profession. But this is what she came up with - and insited on: She told me that I was a "violent" man in one of my previous lifes, very powerful and evil, I might have slaughtered many people or tortured them, a Sadist-kind-of-person. She even said: Maybe you havent' been such a person - but in some previous life, an evil force has touched you, it's almost like an "evil spirit" that she can sense, she said - she said, she was a bit frightened, I had to laugh, haha, but she seemed to be serious. She watched me strangely (all this is no joke, now, the story is true). She said that I had a karmic connection to exactly one person in my life - my latest boyfriend (whom I had a weird, intense, nasty relationship with - that psychic doesnT know our birthdates or charts or anything, but my ex-BF hat my Pluto cj. his Venus, my NN cj. his Vertex, his ASC cj. my MC, etc, etc.) She said: "This man wanted and still wants you - but he can't - he's so very much afraid of you - he sees something inside you which you arent' aware of yourself, because you are a nice woman, of course. But there IS something ..."

Hmmmmmmm....

posted August 08, 2010 02:38 PM         

what a list!
And they say I am thorough!
LOL

Anyway to be honest it`s so much that I can`t make any sense of it, I would have to split it up into groups, looking for a common theme, but I am far too busy to do that now.
It´s interesting nevertheless.

Personally I find the Draconics very highlighting, especially oppositions from Draco - Draco charts, as these are directly relating to the lunar South Node.
I often have been wondering if it made sense making a "Draconic" chart (the term goes only for the Moon, I know) by putting the Nodes of any other planet onto 00 Aries.
The Draconics may highlight emotional and even family connections.
But why not using the Venus South Node for asessing past life relationships?
Just a thought.

On the other hand the Moon is our "emotional memory", so probably all important relationships are inherent in this one.

I didn`t even really check my own past life connections.
And already my mind goes towards past life synastry again.
This guy came to my mind, I have had a rather traumatic past life recall of.

My Pluto conjuncts his Mars exactly (on the same Sabian degree), which simultaneious is a conjunction of my 12th house ruler with his Ist house ruler and old 8th house ruler.
Interestingly his Draco Neptune - Neptune rules his 12th house in tropical - is exactly conjunct his Mars and my Pluto.
So the DRaco position of his 12th house ruler is conjunct my 12th house ruler.

Also
his Karma squares my 3rd house ruler by 2 degrees; my Karma opposes his 3rd house ruler at under 1 degree.
And it was clear in my past life recall, that we were brother and sister.

posted August 08, 2010 04:21 PM         

There is no rush. I am very patient.

I didn't do the Draconic because I was afraid that it would be too much work just looking at aspects to my 12th house ruler Sun was too much work. It took me over 3 hours.

I am very sure that I had a lot more 12th house objects, but I didn't want to look for them all. Some of my 12th house stuff aspect my 12th house ruler Sun.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 09, 2010 04:23 AM         

12th house cusp on 21°03 Scorpio:
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Hunters Shooting Wild Ducks

planets / objects in 12th house:
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MESOPOTAMIA on 26°38 Scorpio
VALENTINE on 27°32 Scorpio

LIEBE on 0°08 Sagittarius (Liebe is the German word for "love")
MEDEA on 0°59 Sagittarius
AMOR on 2°08 Sagittarius
SKEPTICUS on 3°19 Sagittarius
IRELAND on 5°03 Sagittarius
MARS on 5°10 Sagittarius

Draconic objects in tropical 12th house
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Draco LOGOS on 22°55 Scorpio (retrograde)
Draco HYPNOS on 25°59 Scorpio (retrograde)

Ruler of the 12th house (tropical)
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PLUTO on 9°05 Libra in 10th house
Having Passed Through Narrow Rapids, A Canoe Reaches Calm Waters

connjunct:

(UTOPIA on 3°09 Libra - too wide though)
MIDHEAVEN on 4°58 Libra
PLATO on 5°44 Libra
FANATICA on 5°51 Libra
COMPASSION on 6°48 Libra
TRANSYLVANIA on 7°00 Libra (why am I not surprised?)
OVIDIUS on 7°17 Libra
PLUTO on 9°05 Libra
ANNEFRANK on 11°52 Libra

DRACO PLUTO on 28°55 Capricorn

conjunct

ANUBIS on 28°14 Capricorn
WEISSE ROSE on 00°20 Aquarius (a resistance group of students during the Nazi Regime in Germany, they all got killed)

Sabian is:
A Woman Reading Tea Leaves

Alvarella,

can you point to me to some interesting arabic parts?