posted August 05, 2010 05:48 PM         

° Sabian for 12th house cusp (thanks Izo. )
° planets and asteroids in 12th house
° ruler of 12th house in sign (sabian), house and relevant aspectgs (also in relation to rulerships over houses)
° ruler of 12th house conjunct / opposing Draconic planets / asteroids
° Draconic placements of tropical 12th house ruler (in my case 12th house ruler are Pluto and Mars - so I would also check the Draco Pluto and Draco Mars)

posted August 05, 2010 05:58 PM         

could you do me then? i'v always wanted to know who i was in my past life, i have this certain interest in japan so i always suspected that maybe i was japanese in my past life.

but anyways, if you can, would you kindly check my info?
11-19-1989 6:08 pm, Cherry Point, NC

posted August 05, 2010 06:34 PM         

I will need my tropical and my Draco chart for this, plus some asteroids.
(nhere I would let your intuition guide you, you already KNOW which will be important probably - that is also the reason, why I cannot really do it for you, I don´t know which asteroids will be relevant for you).

12th house cusp:
21-22 Scorpio

Mars on 5 Sag in 12th house
Amor on 2 Sag in 12th house
Medea on 2 Sag in 12th house
Valentine on 27 Scorpio in 12th house
Mesopotamia on 25 Scorpio in 12th house

Draco Hypnos on 25 Scorpio in 12th house

ruler of 12th house are Pluto and Mars:
Pluto is on 9 Libra in 10th house
conjunct Midheaven
square Venus (which rules my 5th, 6th and 10th house)
square Spirit, Isis and Osiris (conj. my Venus)
opposing Magion
trine Pallas
widely conjunct Aphrodite (4 degrees)
conjunct Transylvania
sextile NN exact
conjunct Ovidius

Mars on 5 Sag in 12th house
conjunct Neptune (ruler of 3rd house), NN, Amor, Medea and ASC
sextile Midheaven
trine Magion, Aura on IC

opposes Draco Moon, ruler of 8th house

Draco Pluto on 28 Capricorn in 2nd house:
conjunct Anubis exact

posted August 05, 2010 06:54 PM         

You can of course do it without asteroids, too.

Hmm, can`t you put up your normal chart here?

The problem is, I can`t do it at the moment, as my astro.com account is full.

posted August 05, 2010 07:12 PM         

but anyway, heres the chart

posted August 05, 2010 07:28 PM         

Anyway, I cannot spot the degree of your 12th house.

It`s somewhere areound 10 degrees in the sign of Taurus.
Do you know the exact degrees.

Anyway the ruler of your 12th house is Venus - so Venus carries with it a lot of past life-stuff, and it carries that into the 8th house in Capricorn, conjunct Neptune, which rules the 11th house.

Okay.

Past lives may have a tremendous transforming influence on your present life, maybe they will manifest in a form of emotional crisis, psychological manifestatons (like emotional reactions or even fears), whose reasons are not easy to grasp.
They could also manifest as passionate attachment to a past life love.
With the ocnjunction to Neptune it becomes even more difficult to get a grasp on your feelings / relationships.
There is something confusing, dissolving about them.
On the other hand there is also a strong spiritual vibe to your relating style. But you have to be careful not to fall prey to unrealistic dreams, expectations or delude yourself.
Neptune rules the 11th house, 11th house is the house of friends (among other things). So the ruler of 12th and 11th house are together, melted, combined. you could connect to people you knew in a past life, which are now friends. Or you receive love from people, whom yo have metin previous incarnations.
Since this "re-connection / meeting" happens in your 8th house, these connections will bear traits of the 8th house - there will be nothing superficial about them. They will reach deep, sometimes may even feel traumatic or exhausting as feelings can reach really deep into your soul.

This 12th house ruler, Venus, ias also conjunct Saturn - Saturn is the planet of Karma, so the importance of past life connections in your present incarnation is further emphasised. Also the fact that you take these connections very serious, they tend to be long lasting, but maybe not always the easy kind.

Saturn rules the 8th house - so another connection of 12th to 8th house, very very deep.

Saturn is coruler of 9th and 10th house, too, which could mean that past life connection also turn up in the form of teachers, from abroad, as people you philosophize withor even as authorities or people you work with, people you meet in the public sphere with.

posted August 05, 2010 08:44 PM         

I don’t have any planets in my 12th house. Just a couple of asteroids. I only included aspects within 2-3 degrees.

My Karma is right on the 8th house cusp. Combine that with Sappho and Lust in my 12th house, I guess it’s kind of obvious what my karma is!

12th house cusp - 18.24 Scorpio

18 - A winding quiet road, carpeted by the falling leaves, leads through an old fashioned woods rich in autumn color.
19 - A wise old parrot has been listening attentively to the conversation and preening himself; now he begins to talk.
20-An immensely tall entranceway is closed by heavy and dark velvet portieres; a woman in white draws these aside.

12th house cusp conjunct Fortuna 15.50 Scorpio
12th house asteroids-
Lyubov - 18.35 Sco
Arthur - 26.9 Sco
Sappho - 1.33 Sag
Lust - 1.35 Sag

Ruler of the 12th house - Pluto, in my 9th house
9th house cusp - 19.7 Leo
conjunct Juno 17.56 Leo
conjunct Mercury 21.25 Leo

Pluto - 0.50 Virgo

1 - A man's head is revealed; it is a portrait in which the artist has sought to idealize the best of human character.
2 - A simple but impressively large white cross has been set up in splendid isolation on top of a commanding eminence.
3 -A glorious vision unfolds over a little struggling family in the wilderness; two mighty angels bringing protection.

Pluto conjunct Ceres 27.15 Leo
Pluto conjunct Valentine 5.50 Virgo
Pluto sesquidrate BML in 4th
Pluto semisextile Pallas in 8th
Pluto sextile Vesta in 7th
Pluto sextile Hera in 7th
Pluto semi-square Union in 8th
Pluto Trine Mars in 5th
Pluto Sextile Neptune in 11th

Karma - 10.45 Cancer conjunct 8th house cusp - 11.17 Cancer
Saturn - 20.5 Sag
South Node - 26.44 Aries, 5th house
5th house cusp - 24.57 Aries

Draconic chart:

12th house cusp - 21.30 Aries
20- A young girl is seen feeding the swans in a sheltered public park
21- A pugilist flushed with life and strength is entering the ring
22- A handsome grilled gateway opens to the garden of all desired things.

Lyubo - 21.51 Aries
Arthur - 29.25 Aries
Sappho - 4.48 Taurus
Lust - 4.50 Taurus

Ruler of the 12th house - Mars, in my 5th house
Mars- 1.43 Libra
Venus - 29.15 Scorpio, 7th house
5th house cusp - 28.13 Virgo
Karma - 14.0 Sag
8th house cusp - 14.33 Sag
Saturn - 23.21 Taurus
South Node - 0 Libra

Maybe I did that wrong. Would you consider Mars to be the ruler of my 5th, or Mercury, because Virgo is on the cusp?

posted August 05, 2010 09:08 PM         

Several times you have spurred me on to think about certain astrological questions in completely new ways - and most of the times, I can only follow up to a certain degree. Probably, because I'm not as creative or intuitive as you, as far as astrology goes. (Your intuitive 12th-house-cusp is conjunct my ASC at 27° Scorpio, btw ... haha.)

Anyway - once more, I tried to follow your example - the way you listed all this. I used a few different asteroids (Innanen/past life, for example) and arabic parts, though. But I'm not so sure what to make of it... Maybe you wanna look at it? And - should you find the time - drop a line about this? Would be a pleasure for me, of course! There definitely seems to be a dramatic/tragic pastlife thing with love...?

12th house cusp: 10° Scorpio - sitting right on the cusp: Moon/Pluto-Midpoint

Bodies located in natal 12th house:
- Pinocchio (12° Scorpio)
- Proserpina (16° Sc.)
- Melancholia (16 ° Sc.)
- Part of Understanding (21° Sc.)
- Leviathan (22° Sc.)

Draco-placements in natal 12th:
- dr. my-Name-asteroid
- dr. Aphrodite
- dr. Jupiter

Ruler of 12th house: Pluto > Pluto is my natal chart-ruler, and a strong one!
- Pluto in my 10th (in Virgo)
- conjunct. MC (!)
- sextile Sun (in 8th)
- sextile Mars (in 8th)
- sextile ASC (in Scorpio)
- sextile Neptune (in Sorpio in 1st)
- square Moon (Sag.) in my 1st (!)
- trine Saturn (!)
- also my ASC in Scorpio (Pluto's natural sign)
- and a Stellium of Sun, Mercury, Mars & Vertex in 8th (Pluto's natural house)

Now look at these special links between natal and draco:

dr. Aphrodite (24° Scorpio) is conjunct my natal ASC (27° Scorpio)

dr. ASC (22° Sagittarius) is conjunct my natal Moon (23° Sag.)

dr. Chiron (5° Taurus) is conjunct my natal Juno (4° Taurus)

dr. Point of Fortune (21° Taurus) conjunct my natal Saturn (20° Taurus)

dr. Ceres (26° Taurus) & dr. Juno (29° Taurus) cj. my natal DSC (27° Taurus)

dr. Innanen (20° Cancer) cj. natal Sun (23°)

dr. Vertex (5° Leo) conjunct natal Mercury (4° Leo)

dr. DSC (22° Gem.) conjunct natal Innanen (25° Gem.)

Then: my spooky natal VENUS-placement:
natal Venus (4° Virgo/9th house) > exactly conjunct my SN (4° Virgo) - opp. my NN!
- cj. Helena (5° Virgo)
- cj. Kassandra (5° Virgo)
- cj. Amazone (5° Virgo
- cj. Part of Deceit (3° Virgo)
- cj. Atlantis (3° Virgo)
- cj. Prudentia (3° Virgo)
- draco 9th house-cusp conjunct natal Venus

Other possibly "past life"-related factors:

natal Innanen (25° Gemini) oppose natal Moon (23° Sagittarius)

natal VERTEX (10° Cancer)
- cj. natal Aura (10° C.)
- cj. natal Destinn (10° C.)
- cj. natal Aeternitas (9° C.)
- oppose natal Eros (8° Capricorn)

Well ... enough material to look at!

posted August 05, 2010 11:17 PM         

DD,
Your 12th house cusp Sabian is the Sabian of my MC, it talks of oppression. Hunters shooting wild ducks while in hiding. Again, I get the impression that you were punished for your religious or spiritual beliefs.
Also, don't forget the Sabians for Karma, SN, Saturn and Draco planets. Sabians tell the story so accurately...

posted August 06, 2010 05:36 AM         

so the longer posts will have to wait until I have the time to address them (sorry, Alvarella and ViG),

Izo,

I got the feeling that I was a priestess or / and witch in probably more than one past life.
Actually I was thinking of 3 places / times (Sumerian lifeline, Druid, middle ages).
I had been dreaming of TWO sacred marriage rituals in two of these lifelines, and that was BEFORE I even knew what a sacred marriage was. In the case of the Anglo-lifeline a friend of mine dreamed the same thing like I saw in a meditation, simultaneously; she told me the other day. And it was t he same scenery, so she jumped in at another point of the ceremony.

You know my Sabian for Karma:

for SN :
Newly Opened Lands Offer The Pioneer New Opportunities For Experience

for Saturn:
The Unfoldment Of Multilevel Potentialities Issuing From An Original Germ

Draco Karma:
A Man Watches His Ideals Taking A Concrete Form Before His Inner Vision

Draco Pluto (as 12th house ruler)
A Woman Reading Tea Leaves

Draco Mars (as 12th house ruler in 12th house)
Watching The Very Thin Moon Crescent Appearing At Sunset, Different People Realize That The Time Has Come To Go Ahead With Their Different Projects

Draco Saturn
Deep-Sea Divers

Draco Valentine
In A Gigantic Tent, Villagers Witness A Spectacular Performance

Draco Amor
A Prophet Carrying Tablets Of The New Law Is Walking Down The Slopes Of Mount Sinai

Draco Mesopotamia (exactly conjunct my tropical Juno!)
An Easter Parade

Valentine
The King Of The Fairies Approaching His Domain

Amor
Two Men Playing Chess

Mesopotamia
A Military Band Marches Noisily On Through The City Streets
(the damned Assyrians!)

posted August 06, 2010 05:48 AM         

Jeffrey Wolf Green uses the geocentric planetary nodes in Evolutionary Astrology. He looks at the Geocentric South planetary nodes for karmic pastlife insights.

It seems that it can be applied to the nodes of minor planets. There was an article that an evolutionary astrologer did on geocentric Chiron Nodes.

the south nodes of Mercury,Venus,Mars would be about personal pastlife associations

the south nodes of the asteroids would be about personal-social pastlife associations

the south nodes of Jupiter and objects beyond would be about collective pastlife associations

That's for the geocentric nodes

the heliocentric south nodes of all objects would be collective pastlife associations

I will definitely check out your system, and see what mine looks like

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 06, 2010 05:51 AM         

I think the South nodes of any planet or object could be very insightful.
In terms of past life relationships the Venus South node would probably be interesting to look at.

my Venus South Node is on 21°54 Sagittarius

my Eros South Node is on 3°34 Libra

my Valentine South Node is on 15°30 Sagittarius

my Juno South node is on 27°48 Aquarius

People with their tropical Sun, Moon, ASC, Venus, Mars, (Karma or Saturn) conjunct / opposite there might be well people I have had associations with in the past.

posted August 06, 2010 08:10 AM         

I will post my Natal Chart
(I like it, because it looks like a tree):

posted August 06, 2010 08:21 AM         

My very past life was in India, beside the lake where I was gipsy (fortune teller) and was unhappy in love with one Prince. He was married. I have ended my life drowning in the lake (suicide). Here is 12th house (past life) with Neptune (water) retrograde, also past life.

I have also Jupiter retrograde, what has to do with past life, but Jupiter is in the 1st. The life before the last life, I was married with aristocratic man in North England. Because of feeling lonely (he travelled a lot) I was hanging myself but before I died he came and I have seen his face. This man I met in this life. Jupiter means also aristocracy.

How come can be 1st house with Jupiter R there the second past life?
Now, can you explain it to me, please!

Thank you,
B.

posted August 06, 2010 09:33 AM         

Neptune has very much to do with my health. From 6th into 12th house is a very bad combination.

I have got other explanation: my Part of Illness is at 26'45 degrees of Libra in conjunction with Jupiter retrograde (past life); ruler of both is Venus in 8th: I am sick because of Past life. I am not only sick (or better, I have neuralgia pains) but it is also my love that suffers (Venus).
Now, I will write to you, why Jupiter (will delete later): as I study death, Jupiter is very often connected with hanging, what I did because of my husband in Past life. The same pains I have now. In fact I did mistake in this life in connection with this man, what is double SIN.

There is South Node (Karma from past life) in Sagittarius and the ruler is Jupiter.

posted August 06, 2010 09:39 AM         

My South Node ruler is Mercury btw, also ruling my DESC, and it conjuncts Sun in Sagittarius (which rules 9th house).
Maybe that is the reason that I hardly remember German past lives?
Actually only one. And that one ended very tragically, not for me, but for the one I loved.

posted August 06, 2010 09:51 AM         

It is bad, because rulers of 6th and 12th have changed the places and are in opposition with each other.
Beside that Neptune has also inconjunction with my Sun, what is very bad placement as the Sun is my life, me.

I am so angry because Neptune transit doesn't move from square to my Venus. Chiron also belongs to my health and both of them "hang" together since longer time.