posted August 13, 2010 06:19 AM         

Hi IQ!
America has something like a quarter of the world gold bullion in it's vaults. I guess one could say it's Americas insurance although my intuition says that who will she partially sell it to when the world turns against her.
Hmmm

How about this scenario:
America takes Iran
India fights hina
America gets out of korea
Amwrca introduces the amero
Damascus cosies up to Saudi
Game over for Iran

Britain is the financial might and uses America to go to war.

The only force to stop them is Islam/Saudis. They don't have as much control as they put out though.

posted August 13, 2010 08:25 AM         

Smart people see things coming down the pike, make moves accordingly.

They survive.

**edit, id also like to mention that those same people usually go through hell with other people. They are labeled crazy,irrational,dont make sense etc..

This has never changed with our species.

The way i see the pluto energy work is when there is a blockage, pluto will knock it out.

Its hard to understand but sometimes you have to fall in order to recover.

Pluto works in an Amoral fashion.

If you can understand this concept, you will understand all energies work amoral.

1. Not admitting of moral distinctions or judgments; neither moral nor immoral.
2. Lacking moral sensibility; not caring about right and wrong.

Just IS

Concept of dualism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dualism

Interconnection.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis

posted August 13, 2010 01:11 PM         

Ami

posted August 13, 2010 01:23 PM         

Eris,Makemake,and Haumea are the biggest ones. Eris is even bigger than Pluto,and that's what got Pluto demoted to minor planet and dwarf planet. At least, Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. How is that for equality of the sexes. It used to be classed as a planet in the 1800's along with Pallas,Juno,and Vesta. Then 40 years after the discovery of Vesta, they found Astrea as well as even more asteroids. Then astronomers were oing "WTF..These all can't be planets!" Therefore, they came up with the classification of asteroids and stripped Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta of its planethood.
I always wondered if 19th Century astrologers were complaining and griping about Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta being demoted just like 20th/21st Century astrologers are complaining about Pluto being demoted. The demotions are only the result of old knowledge being ruled obsolete by new discoveries like the heliocentric system replacing the geocentric system.

There are around 70 dwarf planet candidates.
Astronomers think that there are even up to 2,000.

We're in the 21st Century now, and the discoveries of Pluto's numerous neighbors correspond with what's going on in the 21st Century. I'd even say that Eris,Makemake,and Haumea are the 21st Century planets just as Pluto is the 20th Century planet. I am very sure that astronomers will find more dwarf planets and maybe even more planets in the 22nd Century.

It would also make sense that people strong in these objects are highly nonconformist because they are ahead of their time. This would seem to go especially for people born before the 1990's.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 01:54 PM         

that can be turned around

the lack of acceptance of the most recent discoveries of Astronomy and their results from it like Pluto's demotion can be thought of as being resistant to change

Pluto doesn't have dominance over transformation...
not with Pluto having lots of buddies in our solar system
even its fellow plutino Orcus is named after Pluto's Etruscan counterpart

If anything, Eris can be more about change. Because of its discovery, the astronomers came up with new planetary criteria and new classfications that include dwarf planet and Plutoid which Pluto is classed as along with Eris,Makemake,and Haumea with many more to join. Because of the discovery of Eris, Pluto and Ceres are now equals in Astronomy as dwarf planets even though Pluto is still considered Ceres' superior in Astrological community.

Astrologers came up with the idea of Pluto being transformation at a time when Pluto was thought to be alone in the transneptunian region. Now we known that Pluto has vastly numerous neighbors

all these transneptunian objects can be about transformation, considering that these objects orbit beyond Neptune,the dissolution of boundaries. the transneptunian region could be "other side"

with every transneptunian being discovered, there is change that is occurring in our current 21st century

in my opinion, ignoring Pluto's fellow transneptunians is resistant to change. It's resistance to the changing views of the solar system

It's like the Roman Catholic Church clinging onto the geocentric system even though Galileo proposed the heliocentric system.

It's like how Vedic Astrologers don't use objects orbiting past Saturn because they are not in the Vedas. It disturbs their sacred system. Vedic Astrology is also known as Jyotish (Science of Light).

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 02:20 PM         

Kat, yeah amazing how the world doesn't realise that the Queen rules America. If you ever want a trip to UK you are most welcome at my home to stay

If America fails the world won't collapse Raspberri. China, India and Russia will be ecstatic lol
This is part of the problem - big heads fall over themselves and reveal their derrieres

posted August 13, 2010 02:22 PM         

In a realistic sense astroid or no astroids, planets or none. People do suppress what EC is talking of.

Thats why its so misunderstood.

People wouldnt move when they are happy if something else didnt make them.

posted August 13, 2010 02:31 PM         

I think Eris shakes up things more than Pluto does when you consider the controversy its discovery caused that led to astronomers and others arguing if Pluto is a planet or not and made astronomers to finally come up with a definition of what a planet is that led to new solar system class categories that Pluto ended being included in.

There is a lot of security in thinking that Pluto is the only transneptunian object that works in Astrology , ignoring all the other objects. It makes the system easy. Adding other transneptunian objects in Astrology just complicates matters.

then comes Eris to shake things up and leads Pluto to be a dwarf planet along with Ceres who was Pluto's inferior for 70 years. It's kinda like how women were treated inferior to men, and now women are being treated equally to men. That's how I see both Pluto and Ceres classed as dwarf planets because of Eris.

some of things that you describe could be things that pertain to Eris and even the other transneptunian objects like Varuna.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 02:38 PM         

You did.

posted August 13, 2010 02:53 PM         

Why the Arrival of So Many New Symbols? What Are We Being Introduced To?

Haumea, Makemake and Eris were all respected by races who believed that the god/desses were the feelings, energies and natural responses of the living and nature. They believed that all things on Earth are imbued with magical power, force and energy - fact that science now knows to be true. But this concept was alien to the West, which has worshipped a single god and not nature. We lost our relationship with the environment, tuning in to technology and tuning out the sacred feminine and natural rhythm.

“The Key” from the Hermetic Texts gives a hierarchy of deity, putting a single almighty creator God at the top, with multiple and specific god/desses underneath and nature under that. Humans are bottom of the pile and they control “arts and science”. The trouble is we took control of “arts and science” and then took them too far. We introduced more and more gadgets, systems and complexity, which requires a great amount of planetary resources. But worse, we stopped believing in the god/desses.

In the last two thousand years, world religions tried to cut out and exclude the middle ranking god/desses, believing that we could report straight to the top guy who is arguably represented by Uranus or the Higher Universal Mind. This monotheism took us into misguided spiritual beliefs.

It doesn’t work like that. There is no quick fix straight to the top leaving out the middle management. You have to work with them or they will complain - as they are doing. For the god/desses are the 96%. They will protect this dimension and humanity for it’s enviable, independent self-governance, (which they tap into) but they do demand homage. If not, they will disrupt the whole shebang……… and then it will all have to start again.

Astrologers who have been around a while are firmly attached to the old classical planets paradigm and quite happy with the astrology they get from that, thank you very much! It will take the new generations of astrologers to begin to use the dwarfs regularly, just as the new generations use Twitter and Paymobile.

So why do we need the Dwarf Planets?

The dwarfs may be smaller in scale to the classicals, but small does not mean insignificant, as we know from our experience of Pluto’s power. The dwarf planets represent god/desses from the middle rankings just as the classical planets do and this makes them of equal importance. That said, the biggest reason is this....

We don't need astrology to tell us life is getting more complex..... but we do need an astrology to describe it!!
http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/introduction_to_dwarf_planets_for_astr ologers.html

I agree with her 100 percent. I am very strong in these energies, I am way too complexed for astrologers look at me through a 20th Century system.

I do believe that there is a correlation between the advancement of human civilization,technology and the ever increasing astronomical discoveries including the ever increasing discoveries of transneptunian objects.

Back in the days when Saturn was thought as the last planet in our solar system, life was far simple,rigid and conservative.

I believe that people strong in these 21st Century objects are more misunderstood than people strong in 20th century Pluto. I believe that they are more likely to have strong suppression until these energies become conscious through being discovered and being named which leads to an association of an archetype.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 02:55 PM         

America doth not maketh the World though and i think it's extremely naive to think as such. America needs globalisation and vice versa. However, Globalisation is simply the division of labour abroad - nothing more and nothing less. It is a means of 'getting things' internationally.

posted August 13, 2010 06:40 PM         

Aug 13, 2010
America now pitifully passe in Europe

In the debit column of international banksters, domestic and foreign speculators, fraudsters, and crooked politicians who justify selling out our nation on the basis of a 'higher plan' for global domination, America is now spoken of, if she is at all, with pity in Europe.

Part of the way the US is being 'seen' now in the world is through having transiting Saturn in US natal *10th house (larger world; the world stage; public status) with a 3-fer Saturn Return on the way 2010 into 2011. Now the transit is not an automatic planetary recipe for disaster. But it is if Saturnian lessons of responsibility, accountability, maturity, prudence, and moderation have not been heeded when they ought to have been.

Also, if anyone doesn't understand why the Federal Reserve system is illegal, read some of the history at this link:
http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/the-federal-reserve-history-of-lies-thievery-and-deceit/

Here is what Thomas Jefferson had to say:

“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”

“I place economy among the first and most important virtues, and public debt as the greatest of dangers. To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt.”

I'm sure he's rolling in his grave....

posted August 13, 2010 06:51 PM         

One of the most ungodly and fraudulent institutions ever perpetrated on the American people and the world, is the Federal Reserve System which through deceit became the central bank of the United States in 1913. The idea came about on a meeting in Jekyl Island off the coast of Georgia in 1910. The bankers in this country, especially J.P. Morgan, created a currency panic in 1907 in order to get the American people to accept the idea of a central bank.

some things never change, even the names are still active in the scheme of things. it's always been strange to me that on 9/11 (j.p.)morgan stanley suffered the most complete destruction of its offices - an old family friend was an employee of theirs and like many others was not in the office that day...losing the location was a trifle compared to the money they have made SINCE then...this guy's father, a vp in another stockbroking company, who i know is a good guy by-the-way, came to america as an employee of none other than the EAST INDIA (tea) COMPANY where he worked in indonesia...another english holding significant in our history, and not just in the boston tea party.

posted August 13, 2010 08:42 PM         

Yes, poignant, deliberate words from Jefferson when he was alive, yet equally poignant 'as if' spoken from his grave today. If only those words were adhered to.... as the rest of the western world has an entirely different view of the USA than she has of herself and this to me is dangerous. "can't see the wood for the trees" is a saying that is apt at this moment in time.
Thank you for posting this thread.

posted August 15, 2010 10:37 AM         

Power Over Nations: the International Banking Cartel

Damon Vrabel has an informative piece on the Fed, the global economy, and the International Banking Cartel which, he asserts, really exists. A list of their names by country is included in his Monopoly Money and the International Banking Cartel, a group of un-elected bigwigs now wielding 'power over nations' and to which we must Just Say No.

No wonder it's common to use secretive Pluto as a signifier for these obscenely wealthy manipulators when working with mundane charts, right?

And if we add Chiron to Pluto, we get disenfranchisement, oppression, class warfare, slavery, communism, statism, corporatism (also shown by asteroid Cupido: the Family, the Syndicate), capitalism, the resultant fascism, bolshevikism (is there such a word? workerism?), collectivism, internationalism, nationalism, primal violence, racism, ethnic 'cleansing', genderism, most other -isms, and other attitudes and tactics which harm or make people feel unheeded and/or threatened including one we're seeing more and more of: population control (the weeding out of the many to benefit the few.)

We might have to hand it to them though because of how masterful they've been through the years at using capitalism's 'American Dream' and 'you too can work your way to riches' tenets to spur workers on - yet it's being used against the people now that it turns out that what they really mean is, We got ours (much of which is actually yours or earned by your sweat) and now that the chips are down, you're on your own, chumps.

PS: We of the IBC have all the world's money and precious resources tucked away where you'll never find them. So...See ya, wouldn't wanna be ya.
http://www.starsoverwashington.com/

Monopoly Money and the International Banking Cartel
by Damon Vrabel

Federal Reserve System, Ivy League neoliberalism has been exposed for what it is
Some people have asked what I mean by "international banking cartel" and if it really exists. Indeed it is very real and it has profound power over our lives. Here are the details...

The Federal Reserve has been at the top of the news for a long time and it’s getting a lot of attention now as it appears the next down cycle in the depression may be upon us. So what’s the real reason the world listens so intently to an Ivy League bureaucrat like Bernanke? Of course, it has nothing to do with him. It’s who he is accountable to - the international banking cartel (see side bar below).

These institutions are the current primary dealers of the Federal Reserve System. They have power over the entire economy, everything in "the market," very much a non-free market. They sit at the top of the world’s monetary system, currently the Fed’s debt-dollar pyramid, with a governmental license to what has been the most secure capital in the world - US Treasury debt - for a monopoly price that nobody else can get. And when it comes to global finance, the difference between the strongest banks vs. dying banks is just a few basis points in price (cost of capital).

These banks get first dibs on buying the servitude of the US population through the Fed/Treasury auction process. They distribute some of it to subordinate capital for a guaranteed premium, and they park a large amount of it on their own balance sheets as assets upon which they can speculate, trade, and fractionalize to create the rest of the money in the economy and put other countries, companies, and people in even more debt. So these institutions hold a monopoly position that even leviathan Standard Oil never dreamed of: a government-enforced usury license that generates trillions for their premium capital holders and senior employees and allows them to act as imperial armies sucking in more territory around the world as neoliberalism breaks down sovereignty.
This is why the country list to the left doesn’t mean what some may think. The institutions aren’t national. The list only indicates that the banking establishment has a permanent parasitic stake in those countries to churn their populations under the Fed’s debt system. All of the listed institutions are global in nature. Together with hedge funds and their other buy-side buddies, they have power over nations. Like any corporate institution, banks drive earnings per share (EPS) by expanding and leveraging their balance sheets, which for banks means putting everything else in more debt. So these cartel banks work to expand their territorial control beyond their national borders to put other populations in debt. This is a mathematical requirement of exponential growth enforced by the private capital system. The eventual end state of this dynamic is one integrated, global banking empire. It’s only a matter of time before their collective balance sheets (plus the large Chinese banks now that the cartel is colluding with them) control the rest of the world if people don’t awaken and choose to put a stop to it.

Will they succeed? The Fed system is in transition. The crash of 2008 was the first phase of global capital holders shifting their private capital out of the system so the Fed was forced to add public capital, i.e. your debt, into the system. More of this is likely coming. But does this mean the international banks behind the Fed are dying? No. They’ve simply transferred their bad assets to the public through the Fed and prepared to ramp up operations in Asia, which will be a primary churn center for the 21st century global banking system. Capital assets have been transferred, production assets have been transferred, and the capital holders can transfer much more capital in a short period of time if they so choose.

All the specifics of this coming transition may not be clear, but it is coming unless the global population says no. The banks have set up the ultimate voluntary test. If we continue to say yes by playing along with the banks and the multinational corporations they control, then they will have proven that a global empire ruled by an integrated banking system is preferred and possibly superior to independent countries. But they appear to be failing their own test. Ivy League neoliberalism has been exposed for what it is. The people are now indeed saying no.

Here are the players:

US: Bank of America Securities LLC; Cantor Fitzgerald & Co.; Citigroup Global Markets Inc.; Goldman, Sachs & Co.; Jefferies & Company, Inc.; J. P. Morgan Securities Inc.; Morgan Stanley & Co. Inc.

Britain:Barclays Capital Inc.; HSBC Securities (USA) Inc.

Switzerland: Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC; UBS Securities LLC.

Japan: Daiwa Capital Markets America Inc.; Mizuho Securities USA Inc.; Nomura Securities International, Inc.

Germany: Deutsche Bank Securities Inc.

France: BNP Paribas Securities Corp.

Canada: RBC Capital Markets Corp.

Scotland: RBS Securities Inc.

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/08.10/monopoly.html

posted August 15, 2010 12:45 PM         

No idea why HSBC is down under 'britain' seeing as it's a Hong Kong bank!