posted August 16, 2010 06:30 PM            

Why the sarcasm about it?

Ixion as just as relevant as Pluto is. That's the same with other big transneptunian objects. Its orbit is only a year apart from Pluto's. Its orbital period is actually a year longer than Pluto's orbital period.

according to Philip Sedgwick:

Ixion can be about the following:

Positive - understands karmic wheel, gives and uses a second chance, discerning

Negative - lustful, inconsiderate, inclined to repeat errors, learns nothing from experience

so Ixion can be worked in a positive way with understanding the karmic wheel,giving/using second chances,and discerning

it doesn't have to be about lust

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 16, 2010 06:41 PM            

shrugs

I have the following:

Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio

I have a lot of asteroids conjunct my Sun-Ixion cazimi within 1 degree that include:
Selqet (Egyptian Scorpion Goddess)
Ariadne(aided Theseus kill the Minotaur abandoned by him,married Dionysus,God of Wine)
Athor (Egyptian Goddess of Love,Fertility)
Aurora (Roman Goddess of the Dawn)
Iphigenia (Agamemnon and Clytemnesta's daughter sacrificed for fair winds to Troy)

Those are just the asteroids pertaining to mythology. There are many more conjunct my Sun-Ixion cazimi,but they don't pertain to Mythology.

when you use asteroids, the chances are extremely high that you will have stelliums and other aspect patterns

I actually found 50 asteroids conjunct my Sun within 1 degree. I am like "damn.....they can't all be meaningful"

some of them make sense like I have asteroid,Jesseowens conjunct my Sun within 1 degree, and that's named after an African American track star who won 4 Olympic medals.

I was very fast runner,and I ran track briefly. I am also part African American,but I don't believe that it had anything with my being a very fast runner though.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 17, 2010 04:40 AM            

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Frozenqueen. You talk about an Double whammy. Saturn venus in double aspect synastry. That's strong, very karmic and increase the strenght.

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Popcorn, we share a lot of double-whammies, and yes, this relationship has a lot of Karmic Overtones and Undertones to it.

Sun/Saturn aspects:
Saturn(me) sextile Sun(him)
Saturn(him) trine Sun(me)

Moon/Saturn aspects
Moon(me) trine Saturn(him)
Moon(his) square Saturn(me)

His Saturn is unaspected in his natal chart but it conjuncts my Ascendant and becomes part of a Sun-Moon/Asc/N. Node Grand Trine. And if you factor in the orbs, it also becomes part of a second Grand Trine with my Asc./Ceres/Pluto. I suppose that's not too bad...

posted August 17, 2010 06:46 AM            

how we met was fated. we was literally, both brought together by something we have suffered throughout our childhoods with (a phobia) and met on a forum that is dedicated to supporting people who suffer with it. its not a well known phobia at all.. and for whatever reason, women prominently suffer with the phobia and very little men apparently do, which means the 'platform' for how we met wasnt exactly a mixed batch of men and women.

my Saturn squares her Venus by 0 Orb. it also Opposes her ASC by 2 orb from the 6th house.

her Saturn Squares my Venus by 2 orb, and her saturn Rests in my 5th house. her Saturn also Trines my sun by 4 orb.

it conjuncts my Uranus by 0 orb (my 7th house ruler, and Saturn is also, her 7th house rulers, so our 7th house rulers are conjunct almost exactly.)

in our relationship, i would much say that i play our the Insecure Saturn in those ways of the descriptions iv read.

she has also.. on her case, she is the one who often feels unworthy of me, i think this is so because my neptune is conjunct her DSC exactly and square her Venus, so i seem otherworldly too her, though i often encourage her to keep her view of me down to earth, and have made great efforts to present my self as who i am exactly.

we both fear abandonment from eachother..

criticism comes from me more so.. i strive to be very tactful about it and have been, unfortunately i can't seem to escape some of the effects of my saturn on her it seems..

i'm trying all the time to 'handle' and not let it be mishandled much..

fortunately i think she can handle it a little since her Venus is in the 10th house, her moon is in Capricorn, and her dsc is in Capricorn its self. so saturn is her 7th house ruler and moon depositor.

were very attatched but have many factors for that in the synastry.

our most difficult issue is actually playing out with committed time together,

i for my own reasons am able to give her all the time in the world, unfortunately, her on the other hand, has Very little time to offer, she has demanding obligation and duties.. highly independant, her job works many many hours, were long distance.. and because of that, we have a 5 hour time zone gap which makes it complicated. there is another thing but i wont go into it.

result is, its difficult for us to have time together without other demands getting in the way.

we try and manage with a arrangement per week. (her shift is always changing)

she does not play out the critical saturn.

i'd say the past hurts/insecurity is mutual on both sides but more so for her. she has big trust issues opening up to me and 'letting me in' with where she has come from, why? she fears to lose my feelings she says. though that fear is mutual, she fears she will lose them if she opens up to me (fear of judgement).

in our Draconics we have otheri ntense aspects, but notably a Moon - Saturn conjunction (me the Saturn, her the Moon), but also a Wide Moon trine Saturn (her the saturn too).

her Saturn/Uranus/Mars conjunct my Vertex.

my Sun Squares hers.

her Sun is in my 7th house almost exactly conjunct my NN (1 orb). it tightly opposes my Sun by 1 orb too.

the aspects we have that seem to help harmonize from the hard saturn aspects is a moon-venus aspect double whammy, my Moon conjuncts her Venus by 1 orb. her Moon Trines my Venus by 3 orb.

we also have Venus Opposition Venus.

her Mars trine my Sun, which is part of a tight grand trine (Her Jupiter @ 25 Aries, Mars @ 25 Sagittarius, my Sun @ 25 Leo) all in fire, all 3 fire planets.

its actually a Kite if we include her Sun & My NN (her Sun/My NN @ 26 Aquarius).

her Saturn & Uranus @ 0 orb Capricorn possibly make 2 more lose Grand Trines.

in our Composite, we have a kite too, or atleast a grand trine between Mars/Venus/Moon (Moon @ 4 Pisces Conjunct NN, Venus @ 4 Cancer, Mars @ 3 Scorpio) the grand trine is generated by Saturn at 4 orb Capricorn, which Opposes our Venus.

Saturn Sextiles the Moon/Mars and conjuncts Uranus & Neptune widely.

they say saturn in hard aspect to venus in composite and synastry can suggest the relationship, if one forms, is very hard to make happen either emotionally, circumstantially, or some other way, or the relationship its self is diffcult, it all takes ALOT of effort, and unfortunately, i think some elements of worked out routine.

posted August 17, 2010 11:09 AM            

I agree with hard Venus-Saturn composite.

I had that with my exgf,Meghann. It was just like what it said. There were barriers,delays in getting together. It was connected to her issues with her mother (real mama's girl and her mom has strong dislike for men, my exgf kept our relationship a secret, she pushed me away not long after her the truth about us).

Her mom's Lunar Node axis falls on our Venus-Saturn opposition too. That's no mere coincidence.

Uranus was also square our Venus-Saturn opposition too.

Venus oppose Saturn had other aspects like Neptune sextile Venus and trine Saturn. Venus trine Pluto.

I definitely believed that Meghann and I were star-crossed lovers. It's a shame that Meghann couldn't stand up to her mother about our relationship.

If reincarnation really does exist, I wonder if we will be presented with the same issues again. If so and I recognize her, I am not going through the same mess again.

My Sun conjunct her Moon-Saturn conjunction,and my Moon trined it. The Moon-Saturn conjunction indicate the obligations,responsibilities with her mother which really effected me, but I could emotionally relate well to it. I have Moon square Saturn which indicated my own obligations,responsibilities with my mother. She has Moon sextile Neptune,and I have Moon square Neptune.

Her Moon-Saturn conjunction is in Scorpio,and it conjuncts Pluto in Libra. It's in 7th house, and you can clearly see how mama's issues effect her relationships.
She has Moon square transneptunian dwarf planet, Orcus too. That's like Moon square Pluto. Orcus has to deal with oaths,promises.
She had serious issues with possessiveness and jealousy, and I feel that it stems from not only bad relationships with guys but also her mom's issues with men because of my exgf's father hurting her. Of course,she raised her daughters to think that all men can't be trusted

I feel that the main challenge in our synastry is her Venus square Ceres, and my Ceres forms a t-square with it.
Ceres is a dwarf planet like Pluto. I think Ceres is way underrated in Astrology. I think that it's about time Ceres gets equal treatment to Pluto in Astrology like it already does in Astronomy.

but any ways, Our Venus,Ceres,Ceres t-square can indicate the issues of mother stuff with her including letting go.

When the Democratic Primaries came, things started getting uncomfortable

The Barack vs Hillary was like me against her.

I felt like she and I were worlds apart racially. I am multiracial growing up in Sacramento,California and always been around racial diversity. She's white growing up in New Hampshire where it has 98 percent white population.

The feminism stuff got really uncomfortable when she pointed out to me that black men got the vote before white women did. She and I also had our disagreements about Barack Obama in regards to Jeremiah Wright. From my experiences as being Black, my perceptions about it greatly differ from hers. It was really a problem.

There are some people that think racial prejudice from her mom was a factor into Meghann breaking up with me. Her mom couldn't be happy for her when Meghann told her about me. She felt angry and betrayed for Meghann lying to her,keeping me a secret from her.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 20, 2010 06:41 AM            

We also have a host of saturn aspects...is that good?

posted August 22, 2010 05:26 AM            

Any insights are welcome.