posted August 14, 2010 11:18 AM            

I have a feeling that Saturn may have a hand here somewhow(though Saturn in Synastry is considered an essential ingredient for long-term relationships)

If any of you have any experience with these aspects, please share

posted August 16, 2010 04:42 AM            

My second marriage also have strong saturn. My saturn conj his venus. His saturn square my merk/uran/pluto. My saturn be included in our synastry grandtrine which including many planets. Our composite saturn in a T-square includes also venus.

We have 15 year togheter and many of them was very good. He is my biggest love hitherto. Also in this relationship I feel to be in prisioner towards the end.

posted August 16, 2010 05:02 AM            

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My second mirriage

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The correct spelling is: 'marriage' - but I am not being a picky jerk
I mentioned it because it made me think how 'marriage' sounds a lot like 'mirage'... It's kind of strange.

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In contrast to a hallucination, a mirage is a real optical phenomenon which can be captured on camera, since light rays actually are refracted to form the false image at the observer's location. What the image appears to represent, however, is determined by the interpretive faculties of the human mind. For example, inferior images on land are very easily mistaken for the reflections from a small body of water.

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The word comes to English via the French mirage, from the Latin mirare, meaning "to look at, to wonder at". This is the same root as for "mirror" and "to admire".

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posted August 16, 2010 12:22 PM            

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Also in this relationship I feel to be in prisioner towards the end.

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Popcorn: Could you please just elaborate on this, only if you please. I am very interested in learning more about this particular subject.

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In my experience it is negative Pluto aspects.. Venus opposite Pluto, in particular.

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I've heard of Venus-Pluto hard aspects too where the Pluto person becomes obsessed and extremely posessive of the Venus person, not to mention being overtly suspicious. Was this your case and were you Venus or Pluto?

posted August 16, 2010 02:59 PM            

Popcorn: Could you please just elaborate on this, only if you please. I am very interested in learning more about this particular subject."

I can only explain from my own experience. I've much strong saturn in my natal and also strong uranus.

(saturn trine my venus/N.N/mars
saturn square my moon
saturn opp my merk/uran/(pluto)

uranus in conj to merk and pluto
uranus in square to my moon
uranus in opp to saturn

I have in house 11 moon, venus/N.N/mars.

Saturn in so strong connection in the synastry are important to me. Saturn show the stability and duration. I need that. My uranus also are so strong in my natal chart so I also need some kind of freedom. I need freedom with responsibility. Saturn sometimes give me the feeling of stop. I think both my marriage should works better if we not was so young. Strong saturn works out better in 40+. Young people in strong saturn aspect get sometimes to much responsibility, to early. In a year of 24 I've 2 small children, going through my education on university. In the same time we also build our house. When I was 26 I lived on the same way I see my friends lived in now. My friends in my own year. When I was 35 my children not was small anymore and I feel me like a pensioner and a prisoner. We divorced after 15 year.

posted August 16, 2010 03:48 PM            

I think that's enough for me.

posted August 16, 2010 04:12 PM            

Saturn square Venus

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Saturn square Venus in synastry hints at difficulties of the couple being able to experience uncomplicated affection towards one another; the saturnian person may seem to stifle the affectionate manner of the venusian person. Sometimes it feels like a needle into an sore spot in venus. Venus discovers what she/he truly values and takes personal responsibility for it. It truly connects a person with personally expressing what one holds dear regardless of saturn's seeming abandonment (which can be expressed through something as simple as living in another state, life structure trumping venus's desire for closeness, living in two different worlds then coming together through other, warmer connections).
Sometimes saturn doesn't feel worthy of venus, ie., a difference in status or a fear of receiving love. Good old human warmth and whether mutual admiration arises in spite of it. Venus takes responsibility for her gifts and develops them herself (saturn) while saturn is at a board meeting.
In both cases, such a connection hits you with the poignance of a need for addressing responsibility (and childhood feelings of unworthiness to receive love, early experiences of neglect and not having someone there when you need them) for one's appreciation of 'what is beautiful' . It kinda forces a person to look to oneself to develop that gift (picture mozart creating alone for weeks at a time). For saturn, it could manifest as a certain fear and insecurity when it comes to sharing and just putting an arm around the shoulder of venus. Perhaps saturn learned early on to pull himself up by the bootstraps and that the early hunger for human warmth and support got him a sad sense of isolation, and he may not wish to be vulnerable in that way ever again. For saturn vulnerability is something he steels himself against because of past hurts, needing to learn one can open to venus and love without harm (learning to appreciate and trust).
These aspects very very personally arousing to each. It brings genuine growth and maturity to each in such a partnership.

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I have this aspect with someone I know where his Saturn squares my Venus and the above description fits him very well. My Saturn sextiles his Venus though, so I suppose it adds a positive dimension to our relationship.

posted August 16, 2010 04:51 PM            

Ixion and Orcus have orbits that are only a year apart from Pluto. They are named after Underworld characters too. They are plutinos.

I wonder if aspects to Ixion and Orcus in synastry work very similar to aspects to Pluto.

Pluto's fellow transneptunians could have similar effects in synastry.

I think that the orbs need to be very narrow because they are very slow moving. The longer their orbits, the narrower the orbs should be.

Sedna has an orbit that is over 11,000 years, and so I think the orbs should be no wider than 5 minutes of arc.

in regards to the named big transneptunian objects (objects that are already associated with archetypes and so are in consciousness),

Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea - dwarf planets
Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion - dwarf planet candidates

so there are 9 named big transneptunian objects in space, and so there are actually far more chances of having profound,intense connections than previously thought when Pluto was thought to be the only transneptunian object.

I'd love to meet a gal whose Venus is exactly on my Sun because that would mean that it would be conjunct my Ixion with 5 minutes of arc. That would suggest a very intense,profound love connection,attraction.

The differences between Ecliptic Longitude and Right Ascension can be great, and so aspects that are wide in Ecliptic Longitude would actually be much narrower in Right Ascension.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 16, 2010 04:58 PM            

His Venus conjunct my Pluto Exact.

posted August 16, 2010 05:02 PM            

It was said that he ran out of the hospital because my mom was screaming during labor with me. It was a 23 hour labor.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 16, 2010 05:13 PM            

My uncle's Venus in Libra is exactly conjunct my Pluto in Libra in 1st.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 16, 2010 05:15 PM            

I think connection to ixion in a chart and between chart show magnetism and attraction.

In progress chart when somones venus conj Sedna I think the individual will lose the head in love.

posted August 16, 2010 05:45 PM            

I think that Pluto's fellow big transneptunians are very complex objects,and so it make sense that they are not easy to understand exactly how they work. That fitss perfectly with their being objects that orbit beyond Neptune and being discovered in the 21st Century. They are so recently discovered,and so they aren't understood well. Of course, they are complexed and mysterious objects - far more so than Pluto. Pluto is a transneptunian too,and it has been a long misunderstood object. It was only until the 1990's, we started learning the truth about Pluto. That was when astronomers started finding other transneptunian objects and found out that Neptune's mass was calculated wrong which meant no more need for Planet X which Pluto was once thought to be until it was realized it was realized that it was not as big as our Earth. Remember that Pluto was actually thought to be as large as our Earth,and that's why it was quickly recognized as a planet. It took discovering Charon to find out Pluto's mass was actually much smaller than Earth and even much smaller than Earth's Moon. That was in 1978,and that was 48 years after its discovery. That's 48 years that we mistook Pluto as a planet that was large as Earth. It took the discovery of Eris for astronomers to say "look we can't ignore the reality of Pluto being a kuiper belt object...we really need to come up with a definition for a planet and if that means Pluto gets demoted, so be it". Pluto got demoted because it wasn't big enough for it to clear the kuiper belt even though it was large enough for it to be in hydrostatic equilibrium which leads to it being spherical in shape. Planets have enough size and mass to capture other objects as well as clear its region. Neptune has a moon,Triton that strongly resembles a kuiper belt object. It's possible that Neptune captured a kuiper belt object,and it became one of its moons. Triton is larger than Pluto. If Triton ends up escaping from Neptune's orbit, does it become a transneptunian dwarf planet? If so,how would it be used in Astrology. Stuff like that makes me wonder. The Solar System has undergo many changes. Haumea's rapid spinning,its egg shape,its moons,and Haumedis are result of another large transneptunian object colliding with it.

Pluto and Charon are actually a binary system. It would make sense for Charon's archetypal symbolism to be included in the interpretation of Pluto. Charon was the ferryman of the Underworld. If you look at it metaphorically, he could fit with the shaman and psychoanalyst that guides people deep into their souls and unconscious minds.

Having personal planets,angles in aspect to the transneptunians means that you're strongly connected to a generation.

you also need to make the orbs much narrower in synastry.

Synastry orbs should be a lot narrower than natal orbs.

I use no more than 3 degree orb for the big transneptunian objects. The orbs are lot smaller for them in synastry - less than 1 degree with Sedna having the tightest orb of 5 minutes of arc. That's because I am taking their orbital periods into consideration. I am gradually decreasing the orbs according to their orbital periods.

I agree that Ixion in synastry could be magnetism,attraction. Ixion in mythology was lusty,and that's why he was punished. He made sexual advances towards Hera, and he got bound to a fiery wheel in Tartarus for it. All the mortal centaurs resulted in his union with Nephele (fake Hera) that Zeus made to test him. By nature, centaurs are very lusty. They are different from the immortal centaur, Chiron was the son of Cronus and Philyra.

Ixion's mythology is actually far more lusty,sexual than Pluto's mythology. The only thing that I ever read about Pluto was his rape of Persephone, but the stories vary. In most of the stories that I read, Pluto/Hades just abducted Proserpina/Persephone and there was no sexual intercourse.
Pluto/Hades actually asked the permission of Jupiter/Zeus to get Persephone as his wife.

The transneptunians in synastry can be profound,intense connections.

also because they are old remnants of the solar system, they could be involved with the karmic past

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 16, 2010 06:11 PM            

My on and off ex love

my ixion 27,20 and his lust 27,19 pisces quinkunx

My Sedna 1,08 N Parallel
My Ixion 1,57 N Parallel
His mars 1,40 N Parallel