posted August 17, 2010 01:22 PM         

You feel tentative about putting your identity out there.
( This is just what I am struggling with ,too )

I just wanted to relieve your mind of that perception of the "serial killer" kind of vibe/sense lol

We,all ,have weird thoughts about ourselves.
My worst one is that because I CAN detach(many Gem planets and unaspected Venus ) that I am a sociopath.

Since my mother anaylzed me so much, I came up with this secret thought that I was a sociopath and I didn't want anyone to know
Your comments brought that up for me and I thought I would try to allay your mind on it.

x o x Ami

posted August 17, 2010 02:56 PM         

It's ok

They are not lumping Dyslexia into the autistic spectrum. The hallmark of autistic spectrum is problems with nonverbal communications that include problems understanding emotional/social cues. Dyslexia is recognized mainly as language-based difference. Dyslexia is Greek for difficulty with words.

Dyslexia, AD(H)D,Dyspraxia,Autistic Spectrum,Dyscalculia,and Tourette Syndrome are related conditions. Their symptoms and traits overlap.

Dyspraxia is very similar to autistic spectrum. The hallmark of Dyspraxia is difficulties with planning and coordination.
Dyspraxia is Greek for difficulty with planning. It also said to be known as Developmental Coordination Disorder. It used to be known as Clumsy Child Syndrome.

Most neurodivergents have more than one neurodivergent condition. I have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD like Mary Colley who started Developmental Adult Neuro-Diversity Association (DANDA) which is located in the UK. That started from the adult Dyspraxia support group. She realized that most Dyspraxics in the group had more than one neurodivergent condition. Many of them wanted a support group for Aspergers Syndrome because they have it. http://www.danda.org.uk/

in psychiatry,psychology, inattentive type ADHD is used instead of ADD. I was diagnosed inattentive type ADHD.

In early childhood, my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia were severe that I resembled somebody with low functioning autism and got me misplaced with intellectually handicapped in special education classroom when I was in 1st grade. I think that I can somewhat understand what an autistic is like.

ADHD is common neurodivergent condition that co-exists with Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. Their traits overlap like disorganization and short term memory and problems with linear things. Dyslexia and Dyspraxia can get misdiagnosed as ADHD.

BTW ADHD was known as other things in the past. It's not a recent diagnosis. It used to be known as Minimal Brain Dysfunction which was also an old label for Dyspraxia. It was also known as Hyperkinetic Syndrome.

There has been documentation about hyperactivity in people back in the late 1700's around the time of the discovery of Uranus. It was also around the time that Cambridge William Farish came up with the grading systems in schools along with the auditory sequential learning environment/lecture teaching that went along with that system. Before Farish, education was close mentor-pupil relationship. The teacher adapted to the student's way of learning and tended to his needs. Now, students have to adapt to the way teachers teach.

After the discovery of Pluto in 1930, there were discoveries in regards to other neurodivergent conditions like Dyslexia and Aspergers Syndrome.

Chiron was discovered in 1977, and it was around that time that adult ADHD was documented. That was when I was in special education with the intellectually handicapped in 1st grade too.

Speech delays/problems are early warning signs of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADHD.

What's really bad is that the neurodivergent conditions have symptoms/traits overlap with mental illness conditions and personality disorders. A neurotypical person that is ignorant about neurodivergence can easily assume that a neurodivergent has schizophrenia or bipolar or a borderline personality disorder.

Autism used to be thought of as a type of schizophrenia. Even now, autistics are getting medicated with antipsychotics to treat irritability,aggression.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 17, 2010 10:28 PM         

I went to about 6 high schools and 2 primary schools I guess that's probably the main reason I know so many people now it actually isn't a bad thing now lol

Ami,

Ferdi has all his planets below the horizon that would explain why he's such a closed in person. It annoys me so much especially trying to get a Taurus to open up is just too much time consuming

I have sun, mars and mercury in 10th, moon in 9th and Venus in 12th with the outer planets in first and third. I never thought of it that way. When I was young though I was shy most of the time. I was like that till my sun went into Leo.

posted August 17, 2010 10:33 PM         

My mum is a 10th house moon and I'm a 10th house sun. Etc etc

My dad has a Pisces moon I have moon in Gemini opposed by Neptune to make it more piscean.

posted August 19, 2010 05:20 PM         

Sun-Moon conj. with orb less yhan 3 degrees: A person whose ego and id is aligned, that can be creepy at first because you sense someone's raw self on display, zero pretenses

Too much Scorpio/Pluto/8th house

Harsh aspects to the Ascendant from personal planets

Uranus square Moon or Venus

12th house stellium: can make a person very vague and confusing at best, ultra-deceptive and con-artist at worst.

And several others that I have no experience with...

posted August 19, 2010 05:24 PM         

could also be strong emphasis on selfless service and can be quite mystical

Ann-Margret's 12th house is loaded.

What's too much Scorpio/8th house/Pluto

I am scratching my head about Sun conjunct Moon less than 3 degrees.

Prince William was born during a Solar Eclipse. Therefore, he has Sun conjunct/parallel Moon, and he has no problem with being popular.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 19, 2010 05:48 PM         

I looked up people with Sun square Ascendant within 5 degree orb which is the maximum orb that I use for ptolemaic aspects.

names that came up:

Henry Winkler
Denzel Washington
Elizabeth Taylor
Ritchie Valens
Jimmy Swaggart
Sissy Spacek
Roseanne
Nancy Reagan
Joe Pesci
Vincent Price
Al Pacino
Jack Nicholson
Dean Martin
Paul McCartney
L Ron Hubbard
Cary Grant
Carrie Fisher
Lena Horne
Whoopi Goldberg
Irene Cara
Debbie Boone
Michael Caine
Tammy Faye Bakker
Wilt Chamberlin
Toni Morrison

I am not worried about being unpopular during my next Solar Return 12 month period that has Sun-Venus square Ascendant.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 19, 2010 05:54 PM         

Lena Zavaroni
Ritchie Valens
Uma Thurman
Ringo Starr
Paul Simon
Brooke Shields
Willie Nelson
Eileen Brennan
Anita Bryant
Neil Diamond
Ted Bundy
Sheena Easton
Aretha Franklin
MC Hammer
Tom Hanks
Gary Hart
Edward M. Kennedy
Karl Marx
Freddie Prinze

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 19, 2010 06:05 PM         

Prince Charles
Elton John
Robert Redford
Tatum O'Neal
Denzel Washington
Alicia Silverstone
Charles Manson
Chaka Khan
Roy Rogers
Lena Horne
Steffi Graf
Jeremy Irons

I really don't think squares to Ascendant are all that bad. It might even indicate people that can be noticed and interact strongly with one's environment for better or worse.

In Cosmobiology, square is not considered a negative,challenge,nor affliction. Square and opposition are viewed as event-oriented aspects along with the semisquare and sesquiquadrate.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 19, 2010 06:09 PM         

Corretta Scott King - Dr' Martin Luther King Jr's wife
Lulu
Michael Nesmith
Nancy Reagan
Tim Robbins
Gene Wilder
Lena Zavaroni
Loni Anderson
Antonio Banderas
Belinda Carlisle
Anita Bryant
Stacy Keach

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 19, 2010 06:12 PM         

Paula Abdul
Prince Charles
Doris Day
Cary Grant
Robin Gibb - Beegees
Stacy Keach
Charles Manson
Bruce Jenner
Jim Morrison
Tatum O'Neal
Michelle Pfeiffer
Roy Rogers
Brooke Shields
Oprah Winfrey

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 19, 2010 06:17 PM         

I can see using smaller orbs for synastry

any way

here are people with lunar nodes square Ascendant within 2 degree orb

Prince Charles
Steffi Graf
Jeremy Irons
Charles Manson
Alicia Silverstone
Lena Horne

Steffi Graf,Jeremy Irons,Lena Horne,Alicia Silverstone don't have issues with being unpopular

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 19, 2010 10:31 PM         

what's your popularity like?

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 20, 2010 02:47 AM         

Oprah Winfrey
Venus Williams
Freddie Prinze
Michelle Pfeiffer
Joe Pesci
Willie Nelson
Charles Manson
Jim Jones
Adolf Hitler
Dustin Hoffman
Merv Griffin
Aretha Franklin
Michael J Fox
Mia Farrow
Wes Craven
Charles Chaplin
Muhammad Ali

I also looked at Venus oppose Saturn:

Frank Sinatra
Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis
Jimi Hendrix
Rutger Hauer
Clint Eastwood
Billy Ray Cyrus
Patsy Cline
Joe Frazier
John Hinckley
Julie Andrews
Diahann Carroll

hard Venus-Saturn aspects don't seem to hurt popularity.

Difficulties in romance,love,relationships though

Michael J Fox seems to be doing good with his wife who met while doing Family Ties.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 20, 2010 03:35 AM         

You could say I'm pretty popular and I knows hundreds of people everywhere I go lol

posted August 20, 2010 03:40 AM         

I don't believe hard aspects to Ascendant factor into being unpopular

You have Venus sextile Saturn, and so that's not a hard aspect

even if it was, it wouldn't really factor into unpopularity.

I think that there are other things involved
maybe it's more about how a person chooses to use their energies

the free will factor

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 21, 2010 10:04 AM         

quote:

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Dear Teasel,
You never have a weird, quiet vibe about you ,IMO.
I get more of a tentative vibe in your self expression.
You talked about this in my Uranus in the 12th thread.
You feel tentative about putting your identity out there.
( This is just what I am struggling with ,too )

I just wanted to relieve your mind of that perception of the "serial killer" kind of vibe/sense lol

We,all ,have weird thoughts about ourselves.
My worst one is that because I CAN detach(many Gem planets and unaspected Venus ) that I am a sociopath.

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I doubt you're a sociopath, and thank you. I hope I wouldn't come off as a potential serial killer, but it's usually the very quiet ones who are looked at as odd. People forget about Ted Bundy, Scott Peterson, and the like, who had a lot of charm.

posted August 21, 2010 10:07 AM         

Ami

posted August 21, 2010 10:11 AM         

quote:

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I think that there are other things involved
maybe it's more about how a person chooses to use their energies

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This is part of it.. sometimes it's a chemistry thing, making one person not gel with someone, but others will. Sometimes it's a group thing, where one is deemed unpopular (or untrustworthy? based on one person's word). I know what it was for me, in school, and I've seen it play out for me and others, since school, and even online. I've noticed the ebbs and flows for certain people (including myself).

*edit.

posted August 21, 2010 10:15 AM         

I think it's rare to come across an actual narcissist, sociopath, etc. You don't come across as one to me.