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belgz
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posted August 17, 2010 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
What makes someone unpopular? Why are some people disliked by many? Could this be a Venus aspect? Or a mc aspect?

I have read Jupiter - Venus aspects make someone popular and Venus moon makes someone charming.

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Ami Ann
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posted August 17, 2010 11:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Belgz
I think water gives someone empathy/knowing how others feel.
I have a friend with very little water. If you want him to leave,you just can't give hints
You have to pick up his things and walk him to the door lol
I would be gone if you even looked at the door
I think it is many aspects. Looking forward to hearing people's opinions.
Great question, Belgz.
x o x Ami

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mermaid26
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posted August 17, 2010 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mermaid26     Edit/Delete Message
Moon square Venus can have that function according to Lewi's "Heaven Knows What."

Mine is Taurus aquare Aqua, so I tend to highly admire independence and being real and thus can have some scorn for popularity and trendiness.

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mermaid26
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posted August 17, 2010 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mermaid26     Edit/Delete Message
oops! dp

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popcorn
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posted August 17, 2010 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
People have different competence and intelligence. Our brain is big so people can learn if they want. Maybe we use maximum 10 percent of our brain/psychological and intellectual capacities. The most of us can learn.

The few people I met who not have the basic social competence have some psycological problems in some way.

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Glaucus
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posted August 17, 2010 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Maybe we use maximum 10 percent of our brain/psychological and intellectual capacities. "

Actually there has been research that shows that Dyslexic children use nearly 5 times more brain area than normal children when performing an ordinary language task. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/10/991006075536.htm

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teasel
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posted August 17, 2010 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I've been on both sides of it, and I have a wide Venus-Jupiter sextile, and Moon conjunct Venus (square Mars, but that's in Pisces).

My circumstances, transits (I'm guessing), and moving around a lot as a kid, changed me (having to change schools at vital times, when it would have been better in that way, for me to stay put).

I can say that I won't do something to be trendy - I couldn't even tell you what's popular right now (for the most part). I don't suck up - if I'm being nice, I'm being genuine.

I'll think more about it, but I shouldn't even be here today. I can see my own responsibility, and I've seen it in those who affected me negatively. (Deciding I was unacceptable, the whole bullying things - not just from others, but from a family member.)

I think a certain amount of popularity can be reflected in your own self-confidence, your attitude, not letting people get to you - and that leads to someone not being defensive (unless it's really warranted). It also leaves nothing to pick at, if nothing bothers you - if their picking at something doesn't make you feel bad.

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Nephthys
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posted August 17, 2010 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
I would think having a lot of planets below the horizon...........being an introvert.

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Peri
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posted August 17, 2010 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
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What makes someone unpopular?

maybe stressful aspects to ASC? or just their behaviour/ideas regardless of the aspects

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teasel
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posted August 17, 2010 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I remember a member here saying something about not trusting those who are very quiet/shy, etc. I won't say who it was, because it was from around five years ago, and I can't remember where the thread was... they said they didn't trust them, because they wondered what they had to hide (something like that).

I do remember that that bothered me, because I had nothing to hide, I'd just been taught that I was unacceptable, for whatever reason - you don't really feel good about opening up and trusting people to be good and kind, when you've basically been crushed emotionally. New people might be genuinely nice, but then give up on you if you don't relax soon enough for them.

Ugh. Sorry, I'm having a bad morning. I just remembered that. (It had nothing to do with my own behaviour at that age, for the most part - kids pick on newbies, and various things make you an easier target.)

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Glaucus
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posted August 17, 2010 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I think it's too hard to see

btw...almost all of my planets are below the horizon. My Saturn is above the horizon and its near the Midheaven. Gauquelin sector for scientists,doctors


People can be unpopular for all kinds of reasons including behavior,ideas,the way they talk,the way they look, or the fact that they are a certain ethnic group, a certain religion


and its all relative

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Yin
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posted August 17, 2010 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
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I won't say who it was, because it was from around five years ago, and I can't remember where the thread was... they said they didn't trust them, because they wondered what they had to hide (something like that).

That's kind of insulting.

I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum. I used to find it VULGAR to talk too much, reveal too much especially on a public forum like this one. But... over the years I've relaxed a bit about it. Still, when people are quiet on here, it is usually because they don't feel like sharing. And who doesn't have something to hide? And why would anyone judge that?

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letram
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posted August 17, 2010 12:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
when i was extrovert, i was quite popular, espcially hwere i lived, where there was lots of youngsters, i was kinda near the top aha..

i have venus in Libra in the 3rd square Jupiter in Cancer in the 11th.

i have Sun & ASC in leo, Sun possibly in the 1st house, possibly in the 2nd.

my mc is in aries, mc ruler in the 2nd house, virgo.

my venus widely opposes my moon.

i think my aries moon was a factor.

since then though i have become much mor eintroverted in nature..

i did have moon trine ASC!, so im good with feeling peoples emotions and moods easily. women especially.

but i have stressful saturn aspects to venus and moon which inhibits them, and my jupiter, its also in my 5th house, sun inhibiting.

pluto squares my asc almost exact too.

i am not popular so much now due to circumstances being mvoed away from my social circles, personal issues, and just my nature has changed.

i think i can be qit elikeable, but certainly easily find out who i dont and do like ,and easily find out who likes and doesnt like me, so prhaps im like marmite.

if some one doesnt like me or trust me because of my nature now, then they will never know me.

underneath all my introvertness, i am sunny and extrovert at heart and worth getting to know.

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teasel
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posted August 17, 2010 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
Yin, I found it insulting, and it came from somebody unexpected (I'm not sure that they really meant for it to be, and it wasn't directed at me, but that stayed with me). The whole quiet person = potential serial killer thing, bothers me, and I associated it with that. I'm also not sure if she was talking about people on the board, or in the world in general, but you're right: not everyone feels the need to be so open about themselves and their lives.

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underneath all my introvertness, i am sunny and extrovert at heart and worth getting to know.

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Nephthys
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posted August 17, 2010 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
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Still, when people are quiet on here, it is usually because they don't feel like sharing.

I would say that some people are quiet on here for several reasons. The main reason being that people are very busy and have busy lives, have families, responsibilities. People work full time, go to school part time and full time, and are super busy in between all of that, so they don't "live" here.

Another reason is that there is a high turnover of Knowflakes here......(I've been here for OVER 10 years) and it's not really a place to blog everything about yourself, (unless you want to of course): it was created to share subjects of common interest that Linda taught: i.e. metaphysics. Of course, we all give each other advice and support where people in our everyday lives don't understand how we relate things to astrology, numerology and spirituality, etc.

So I wouldn't call someone on *here at LL* an introvert just b/c they either don't have the time to LIVE here at LL, or don't feel like sharing as Yin said, or just don't feel it is the appropriate place to do so. That's what blogs, personal webpages, facebook, and myspace are for.

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Ursa
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posted August 17, 2010 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ursa     Edit/Delete Message

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Glaucus
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posted August 17, 2010 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I always tended to be painfully shy since early childhood. I'd say that it started with my special education years. It's no surprise that I was diagnosed as having Avoidant Personality Disorder which I don't deny.
I find the internet to be a great way to communicate with others.

My speech problems and auditory processing problems aren't even a factor on the internet in forums and chatrooms unless I talk on the microphone in chatrooms. I have been given a hard time and called names because of how I sound which decreases my desire to be on mic. My speech and auditory processing problems definitely make me shy,nervous with people in person.
My mother told me that my biological father was the same way,and I never knew him. My mother also told me that she was always shy, and she wouldn't talk much to people. She was afraid to say something stupid. She doesn't have speech problems,but she does have auditory processing issues too.

My coordination issues,clumsiness,awkwardness,and problems with eye contact make it hard for me to socialize with others too.

Avoidant Personality Disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avoidant_personality_disorder
http://avoidantpersonality.com/


The personality disorders overlap in symptoms/traits, and so a personality disorder can be mistook for another one.


but any ways

the internet makes it possible for a highly introverted,shy person like myself to come off extraverted,outgoing.


Internet is also great medium for autistics. Many autistics are highly intelligent but they are nonverbal. They can use computers to communicate well with others. Amanda Baggs is a perfect example.


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Glaucus
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posted August 17, 2010 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Glaucus mentions autistic children"

no

I mentioned dyslexic children

I am dyslexic myself

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letram
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posted August 17, 2010 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxSHubPfxy4

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belgz
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posted August 17, 2010 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think I was popular from 5 to age 10 but then when I hit high school I was probably the most popular person at my school I had lots of friends and I got along well with everyone. There were times where my group of friends would argue with each other to hang out with me and I never hung around the same group too long because I just had too many friends. One girl was my fav friend and she was a libra with a Pisces moon. We've been friends for 21 years now wow I'm getting old lol.

My 11th house ruler is cancer and the moon in my chart is conjunct my mc from my 9th and conjunct north node. I am honestly blessed with so many great friends.

I have Venus sextile moon and Venus square Jupiter and Uranus.

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teasel
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posted August 17, 2010 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
LOL letram.

Belgz: I remember things were improving for me at my first high school, and then Mum moved us again (wanting to get us out of the London area, thinking that it would get us away from drugs, gangs, etc - it didn't: the kids were bored, so they were more likely to get involved with those things). I didn't have the energy to feel positive, to smile and do my best to not let things get to me - although I went and I tried. I ended up dropping out, when I could no longer handle the nastiness every single day. Dropping out was the healthiest thing for me to do at that time.

I was lucky enough to be able to finish school at home, when we moved to California, but I made the mistake of not getting involved in anything afterwards - of happily staying at home, studying and creating art. So I never really built up my social skills again - and once I was very isolated, for a long while, I grew worse.

(What is going on with Photobucket? I was going to try posting my chart, but I can't... my info is April 14th, 1975, Hillingdon, England, 8:40pm birth time. I use Ruislip instead of Hillingdon, because it hardly ever shows up.)

*edit. The other day, I also read something on another board, about someone who has had all kinds of problems with people - they eventually mentioned that they have Asperger's, and a few people responded that they weren't surprised to read that (in relation to their problems).

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posted August 17, 2010 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ursa     Edit/Delete Message

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popcorn
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posted August 17, 2010 01:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I've also during my life seen people who bully or victimize other people. I'm sure everyone else here also have that experience. People who get be exposed to gossip cant always be their self.
I think it could be many reason to be unpopular and not only a chart.

I think everyone here sometime in the life feel unpopular. I think it's one important experience in the life. If you never feel it how should you know how other people feel it.

I feel it a couple times in my life. I've 5 planets in house 11. I know how it feels so because that I always back up people who not are so popular.

There are few people who are so sick they are loss the social competence.

I've many squares in my chart and know so many people who also have square to both one thing and another and not have any problem to meet other people.

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Ami Ann
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posted August 17, 2010 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Belgz
I was thinking about Pluto in the houses. You have Pluto in the first which is a natural charisma.
Perhaps. some people cannot balance that power and go in to a shell.
You have the planets on the top(many, I think)so you are a natural extrovert which would turn Pluto in to charisma and not brooding.

Ami

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posted August 17, 2010 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nine     Edit/Delete Message
pSun moving from Gemini to Cancer really did me in.

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