posted August 18, 2010 08:39 AM            

I have an unaspected Venus.
It feels like you have to discover this planet on it's own as if you are on an expedition and you discovered a new continent lol
You would say "WHAT is this?" What does it feel like? How does it function?
What am I to do with it?"

You have no guidance really. It is like a child who grew up alone, without training or teaching and had to figure things out all by himself.

However, when you do, you have a unique treasure which you love more than any other.

This is hard to explain but I will leave it here and see what other people have to say.

Ami
PS---Please give me your opinion on a moon which makes two ----wide orb aspects.
Moon conjunct Mars--8 degrees
Moon conjunct Sun--10 degrees
Is it unaspected?
Thanks very much!

posted August 18, 2010 08:56 AM            

Ami

posted August 18, 2010 10:46 AM            

in your case you have mars conjunct moon, it is wide, but with the moon i would give in to wider aspects.

going by what i read, i would think a singleton moon might make some one quite cancerien, or emotional or needy in nature, but im guessing this doesnt fit you Ami?

i have my singleton mercury, i think some consider me quite mercurial here.

posted August 18, 2010 10:50 AM            

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going by what i read, i would think a singleton moon might make some one quite cancerien, or emotional or needy in nature, but im guessing this doesnt fit you Ami

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Me, not needy?
Where have you been, Boyfriend

Ami

posted August 18, 2010 10:51 AM            

Anyway, in my chart I have three planets that are peregrine (with no conjunction, opposition, trine, square or sextile to other planets).

Moon (quinkunx Saturn, but quinkunx does not count traditionally)

Saturn (has a trine to Jupiter, but it is over 5 degrees)

Uranus

Unaspected planets tend to be pretty strong and active, but usually other people are more conscious of our unaspected planets than we are ourselves.

posted August 18, 2010 10:52 AM            

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I have an inspected mars who knows what that means lol

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Here we go again with inspected Mars
Seriously, Belgz, your anger issues may be from this.

x o Ami
This made me think of your Mars, Belgz.

They stand apart, and are therefore unintegrated. They have no direct influence on other planets (or psychic dynamics), and are themselves also not influenced, so they can exhibit extremes in their effects. We notice this particularly in an all-or-nothing attitude: quick to exaggerate, or precisely the opposite: not responsive in the least.

posted August 18, 2010 10:57 AM            

I feel at peace that I can incorporate it as I am doing with my Venus.
My Venus is feeling closer and closer to me and it feels wonderful.

I think a big part of my accessing it was someone elses Pluto aspecting it--exactly.
It woke it up.
I know you said that in another thread, DD.
What if NO ONE ever aspects an unaspected planet.
Does it stay dead forever ?

Ami

posted August 18, 2010 11:04 AM            

Well, from two charts and two relationships, I think I have a sense of Chiron.
I could be wrong.

The planet person pulls energy from the Chiron person.
IQ did my mothers synastry with me.
Her Sun was conjunct my Chiron--exact.
She pulled my energy very strongly.

My Venus conjunct a g/f's Chiron. SHE helped me, really, rather than it being a two way relationship.
I pulled her energy, you could say.

Anyway--that is an insight I wanted to share with you,DD.
I thought you would find it interesting

Ami

posted August 18, 2010 11:32 AM            

I also have Uranus trine Midheaven,North Lunar Node-Vertex conjunction.

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posted August 18, 2010 11:58 AM            

In Search -- Preoccupation

An isolated planet has to do everything by itself. At first it even seems like the other subject matter inside us doesn't see this piece of us. That's why we don't get to know it very quickly. Somewhere, though, deep inside, we do know it's there. This isn't so much a conscious knowing, but more an implicit knowing. It makes us tend to keep searching for that piece of ourselves, that planet. To our feeling, it is a "faraway" given, and if this concerns a skill or activity, we'll have the idea that we aren't ready to do it by a long shot and "maybe never will learn," without there being any demonstrable proof of this. That inner feeling is usually pretty strong, and if one little thing goes wrong, we tend to lend it a lot more weight than necessary.

So, we go off in search of the subject matter of that planet. Some domains that are appropriate to that planet even hold a sort of magical or mysterious kind of attraction. Once I met a boy with an unaspected Mercury who, at a very early age, was fascinated by pencils and pens (objects appropriate to Mercury). Whenever his parents couldn't find any, all they had to do was go to his room and that's where they would find just about all the writing utensils they had in the house! He simply couldn't keep his hands off them. No matter what his parents did -- from asking in a friendly way to leave the pens where they belonged, to giving him a big set of his own pens, to punishing him -- nothing worked. Each pen had its own fascination. Mercury can, of course, also entail lots of other things, so a fascination can also lie in other Mercury domains. For this boy, it was pens.

Precisely because of this fascination and our "being in search of," we will be preoccupied with an unaspected planet, but won't ourselves be aware of it at all. The problem is, namely, that there are no other planets that provide any contact with this isolated planet, so that at first we don't see all the things we do with it. We simply don't recognize it, and aren't able to place it, like the boy with his pens. He simply didn't understand that he had a few too many of them in his room. It's as if everything we do with that planet somehow or other isn't to be fathomed, knows no moderation, or isn't to be controlled. This, by the way, doesn't have to be the case forever.

Over the course of life we will have several chances to gain insight into this: other planets will naturally start creating aspects with it in transit and progression, and in those periods will make contact with that subject matter. Then we suddenly take a big step forward and see what we're doing, or come closer to deeper longings and character traits. And the unaspected planet itself will start creating aspects in progression and transit as well. So there will be plenty of chances to learn moderation and to figure ourselves out. Initially, though, things will be tough. However, it seems as if our unconscious wants to help in every way to start seeing the subject matter of that unaspected planet.

If we are preoccupied with the energy or domain of that planet, the chance that various things will start getting through to us is better, of course, and we will also begin to recognize this kind of planet sooner that way. But a long running start is still needed for this, and in the meantime we are not aware to what extent those around are confronted by this unintegrated planet. Our emphasizing it means those around us will already have experienced the full weight of it and will have to endure more before we have even the slightest inkling of what we're up to. In fact, if we hear remarks or criticism about it, we will in all honesty not have a clue what they're talking about.

For example: A client has a son with an unaspected Mars. He is an extremely lively and active little boy, so maybe the description "the height of restlessness and energy" would be better. He sleeps little and is always nearby making lots of noise. He is a radiant child who is clearly enjoying life. He (still) isn't aware of how much difficulty his parents are having with this. They are understanding and patient (and love their peace and quiet!), but often he's too much for them. They were unable to grasp that even after years of asking him if he couldn't just sit still at the table, he still always kicked, danced, and knocked things over due to the restlessness of his movements. His mother told me once that her son, while yelling, was drumming on the table with his silverware, barely missing his plate, and thereby creating a situation where his parents were unable to say a single word to each other. Mars was clearly active. When she finally exclaimed, "Now, can't you sit still for just one minute?" her son looked at her in utter surprise and even denied that he had made any noise or done anything.

This is a critical problem for children with unaspected planets. Every parent who knows something about unaspected planets will know that a child doesn't really see what he or she is doing, and the boy in this case may honestly be totally surprised at his mother's remark. It is very possible that he felt he hadn't even begun to drum and shout. It unmistakably remains a fact, however, that he was already at it and producing a barrelful of noise. Most parents would react with some form of annoyance after all, why is the child denying this? Does the child also want to be contrary? And why does the child keep denying it? After all, it's obvious he is doing it! Sure, for outsiders it's clear that he was doing it. He is the only one who doesn't see it.

The fascination that an unaspected planet exerts on its "owner," coupled with an orientation toward the domain of that planet, largely contribute to the development of the talent that particular planet promises. Unnoticed, we develop many facets of this energy by continually being preoccupied with it, but as soon as we start understanding and recognizing this energy a little more, it holds even more potential. The fascination and the quest give us focus on -- and at the same time an orientation toward -- a particular domain. Frequently, people choose the domain of the unaspected planet as their profession, or otherwise use the energy of this planet in their daily lives. This is certainly possible, and can be done with great joy and very consciously. I once saw a sports teacher (she has an emphasized 5th house) with an unaspected Venus finally change profession: she became a cosmetologist.
Insecurity and the Unaspected Planet

Another hallmark of unaspected planets is that they are often accompanied by feelings of insecurity. This insecurity is connected to a number of things. In the first place, the idea of "being in search of," that often expresses itself in a kind of restless feeling, I sometimes try to describe as a feeling of "hunger," or "yearning," or "being unfulfilled" in the area of that planet. A longing, too, but for what we don't know. It can't be described; it is diffuse and vague, and we can't really make anybody see what it's all about. Even if we have everything our hearts desire, this feeling can still be there. So it has absolutely nothing to do with external circumstances or with whatever we've achieved in life.

An unaspected Moon, for instance, can have a deep longing for security and a profound need for warmth, and even run the risk of not seeing the warmth that is there (but this is not on purpose!) because of a gnawing feeling that overrides it.

Or, to give an example of Venus: A couple of years ago a couple consulted me and asked for an astrological analysis of their relationship. They had been married almost thirty years, but the woman was in a kind of crisis. She didn't know if she loved her husband, or if she had ever loved him, and claimed she didn't really know what love actually was. Her husband didn't take this personally. His commentary was simple and honest, "We've gotten along very well together all these years, and I just know she loves me, and I love her. So something else must be going on, and that's why we're here." His wife, however, had gotten hold of the nagging thought that she didn't know what love was, and therefore also didn't know if she loved her husband.

Her Venus created no aspects whatsoever! After I had explained what an unaspected planet meant in general, and how an unaspected Venus works in particular, something finally clicked in her. She understood that the unfulfilled and searching feeling was inside herself and had nothing to do with her marriage. "If I look back at it that way," she said, "then we have in fact gotten along very well together all these years, and I wouldn't want to be without my husband." There was a moment of silence, and then she said, "Maybe that's what love is. Maybe I shouldn't be getting myself so worked up about it anymore, and accept that I can't catch or grasp it all." This is a nice example of how, with an unaspected planet, we can run the risk of misjudging a situation because with all that "searching" we begin to mull and fret. Just as often, though, all that searching has yet another result, namely the idea that we "aren't there yet," or can't do certain things. In the case of the unaspected Venus, this can express itself in a feeling that others don't think we're nice, or that we weren't cut out for love, or that we feel inferior because of our looks and/or emotions. In every instance this feeling does not corroborate the real situation or talents and capabilities. Once again though, the fact is that we don't see it at first. And even with an unaspected Venus, we can be very sweet, mediate very well, and have a finely tuned sense of harmony! Hidden in an unaspected planet like this is a great talent waiting to be discovered.
Relating to the Energy

When we have an unaspected planet, we need to learn to relate to that energy, which means seeing that energy in relation to ourselves. This is absolutely essential. As long as we don't do this, and also don't see how we behave, our unconscious will confront us with the theme, and that means that we will encounter it by projecting it on others, as well as experiencing it in the circumstances and events of our lives. I even ran into this very literally, as the following example will illustrate.

Mars has traditionally been associated with everything that is sharp. Wasps also fall under Mars. In my practice I have had various clients with an unaspected Mars, and they have all had some problem or other with wasps. A couple of them turned out to have a wasps' nest in their homes. One had a nest hanging in the attic and he discovered this because he kept hearing a strange soft humming noise. The nest had to be removed by local exterminators -- it was one of the biggest ones that had ever been found in a private home in the Netherlands!

So, with unaspected planets it takes longer before we see what we want and what we are doing. This will entail quite a few problems from the point of view of raising children. Children with unaspected Jupiters will have a strong tendency to exaggerate on all fronts. If given a piece of candy, they will usually ask for another one right away, as if they think that they didn't get enough. However, asked why they want another piece of candy, they won't be able to answer. This is not a question of greed or of feeling shortchanged. The unaspected Jupiter seems to want to multiply everything, including the number of candies the children get.

For parents, it is difficult to understand what's really going on, because they keep seeing that the child wants more. If we know nothing about unaspected planets or what they do, the obvious conclusion is that the child is greedy, or is only thinking of himself or herself, and so on. So the parents decide to approach the child about this behavior, because it's not appropriate. If their efforts turn out to have no effect, and the child simply keeps up the old behavior, the parents won't understand that the child's not doing this on purpose. After all, it is abundantly clear what's happening! And so the child is placed under more and more pressure and gets into trouble, when the child has no clue about the issue. This is not only very confusing for the child, it can also have harmful consequences farther down the line.

Just imagine the world of experience of that child. The child doesn't see what he or she is doing, and so can't understand the scolding. The child feels misunderstood. If punishments follow because "the child just doesn't want to listen," the child will feel rejected, and there is a big chance that he or she will begin to feel unsure, misunderstood, and insecure. Many problems that we have as adults with unaspected planets are not so much locked up in these unaspected planets as such, but derive from what we experienced around their themes when we were young. We can't, however, blame or find fault with the parents for what went wrong. After all, they honestly tried to civilize their child to protect it from social problems later on. And where that polishing seems to succeed with other children, it won't catch on or much less so with the child who has an unaspected planet. For this child, the situation arises where he or she may feel desperate under all that polishing, because he or she doesn't have a clue, while the parents feel equally desperate because they can't do a thing with this child. Insight into unaspected planets can help us stay out of this spiral.

However, insight into a child's unaspected planets will also create new problems. If we have an understanding of the expressions of the child's unaspected planet, we will tend to tolerate the extremes in behavior a lot more. We understand what's involved, and want to give the child safety and security above all. Certainly if we understand that a child can experience these crazy contradictions regarding an unaspected planet -- on the one hand great joy and pleasure, on the other the frequently arising insecurity - we will try to give the child a feeling of security and stimulate it in the area of the unaspected planet. What will happen? The child will (unintended and unconsciously) start to exaggerate that planet even more, and we'll have a lot of trouble on our hands. As a parent, we will encounter new dilemmas.

In this way, a child with an unaspected Sun can manifest itself very powerfully, pretty domineeringly even, and in a way that doesn't leave much room as an adult. At the same time, the child will often feel unsure and won't be aware of his or her behavior. So, if, as a parent, we give a child extra attention and try to develop self-confidence, he or she will unconsciously behave even more domineeringly, and can then start sucking up all the attention. This can easily happen at the expense of other children, or lead to unpleasant situations, such as when many adult family members come to a birthday party for one of the parents, and the child turns out to dominate the entire atmosphere. This will certainly result in commentary from the rest of the family. Result: the child feels a split-understanding on the part of the parents, and rejection on the part of a number of family members. An unaspected planet is very sensitive particularly to these kinds of experiences! And if we try to redirect the child a little at that party, there is the chance he or she won't understand what's going on, and so feel misunderstood anyway, by the parents as well. So, a dilemma in raising such children!

Unaspected planets require patience and understanding on the part of parents. Time and again parents will need to explain the child's behavior to the child. Camcorders are a big help here! If a child who is a bit older looks at scenes taken years before, he or she can see objectively the behavior in question. I have witnessed at various times that children slowly began to understand from this what was going on. But don't start filming troublesome situations on purpose, that will only elicit more stress! Explaining and talking, over the course of years, will really help a child with one or more unaspected planets on its way. In the meantime, though, the child will still feel jerked around a lot, and no matter what we do as parents and no matter how good our intentions are, we simply can't get around this. So it makes no sense to feel guilty about it. Realize that the child has a number of exceptional talents, but needs to be patiently guided to create a safe basis from which those talents can develop. The more we help the child to connect with that "loose piece," the sooner he or she will be able to develop these natural talents in a conscious way.

posted August 18, 2010 12:11 PM            

x o Ami

posted August 18, 2010 12:28 PM            

iv always been into drawing obsessively as a toddler and young child. i also had a love for ownign expensive pens. though many boysi n my class did, they got me into it.

posted August 18, 2010 04:54 PM              

I always thought I was hyperactive and fidgety from my Gemini moon. I sat down for dinner and got up 20 times in between. I'm not noisy because I am older Noe I guess. About where it mentioned wasps we did have bee hives in our backyard where my parents had to come and get removed because I was always getting stung from trying to touch them.

Anger problems are solely due to my mother and I don't get angry at my friends or anything, just family. Since I've been in cohignitive behavior therapy I havn't attempted to knock out my mother recently I just avoid her because she is sick in the head and can't be cured

posted August 18, 2010 05:13 PM            

Ami

PS I can't put it all together yet but I think I lost my sense of self in my teen years not just from my mother picking at me incessantly lol but cuz I could not a find balance for my unaspected planets.

I knew there was something different about me and my mother made me feel it was bad.
It was not bad but it was different.
That is the key to unaspected planets :being able to be Ok and further make beautiful the differences.
It is a different energy and needs support from the outside to incorporate it.
You and I did not get it and so we had one leg longer than the other ,if you could say that

posted August 18, 2010 06:03 PM            

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I want to share some information about unaspected planets. I believe that they are important. They are like pure planetary energes...no other planetary energy interferes with it. It's like free to whatever it wants any time it wants..so it can sit and be quiet,and then later on jump out of its seat,run around,and make some noise

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posted August 18, 2010 06:04 PM            

The unaspected planet can be called a "dumb" energy lol

It can be on, full blast, off, or going back and forth between on and off.
There is an all or nothing quality about them.

Once you get them stable, can be a genius planet i.e. able to do it's own thing in a unique and outstanding way.

The person is asked to stand alone,here. He is an island unto himself.
That task is not easy,of course.
The birth is hard but the baby can be very beautiful.

The sign becomes more emphasized as well as the house.
The unaspected planet may be very strong in the area of the house it is in.

posted August 18, 2010 06:18 PM            

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It did not appear to lack initiative or seem listless. One's sense of drive was not reduced. In fact, most were notally energetic and active on some level of their being, almost in a non-stop manner

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The unaspected Mars can active, on some level , almost in a non-stop manner. Perhaps unaspected Mars,functioning according to its truer nature,could reasonably suggest constanct activity, untempered or unmodulated by the other planets. The urge to be on-the-go, or in continuous motion, or always doing something, thus, could be compulsive at times. The sign involved should help to determine upon what level of experience the individual is most commonly active.

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posted August 18, 2010 06:26 PM            

Ami

posted August 18, 2010 06:56 PM            

Jupiter naturally seeks out active social participation rather than solitude. Jupiter is the planet of outreach and breadth of scope. When unaspected, it is apt to be less gregarious and socially expansive. Or else it behaves so in spurts of enthusiasm. Jupiter's innate spontaneity is unlikely to be fully brought out, except during erratic moments of expression. The individual may temporarily display unbridled exuberance which tends to die out as quickly as it manifests. Planetary aspects help Jupiter further develop its judgmental abilities, since a variety of aspects motivates the individual to seek out experiences that promote these abilities. Unaspected Jupiter attracts less situational affairs in which judgement must actively be applied (suggesting then that it may be undeveloped). Other parts of the nature are not able to grow thru the process of inspiration and uplift typical of Jupiter energies. Lacking buoyancy, the individual may feel very weighted down by the gravity of life (unless there is strong support from Sagittarius placements and activity in the 9th house). However, according to Jupiter' house position, the individual can show a great amount of zeal and self-encouragement. Instead of candid and casual, the individual may appear detached and mentally remote (since Jupiter, like Uranus, deals with far-awayness themes).

posted August 18, 2010 06:57 PM            

Like independent and self-reliant Mars, Saturn might also function with less difficulty when unaspected. In its unaspected condition, Saturn's inclination towards solitude can be emphasized. However, since Saturn develops structure better when being tested thru rigorous life experiences, its lack of aspects here could suggest that less circumstances are available to properly test out its strengths and weaknesses. Saturn in aspect with another planet allows that planet (or part of the psyche) to become productive in a sensible, responsible manner. The planet is more grounded and better able to function realistically. But when unaspected, this normally dutiful planet can become more indifferent or unconcerned about processess outside of its own singular sphere of operation. Structure and definitions are found only in limited areas of life,and are not related to the remaining components of the overall nature. Therefore, this could imply that the individual is not motivated to take direct, conscious control over many parts of his nature. Self-discipline and organization of needs may be markedly lacking as well as caution or self-preservation.
(Saturn is the safety urge that establishes all necessary limites upon the will in order to preserve the integrity of our being).