posted September 03, 2010 09:04 PM         

I am glad you met someone, and think it is great that you approach it slowly and let it evolve on its own. Us astrologers sometimes tend to jump to conclusions, but you seem very levelheaded about it, and I think that is really good."

Thanks DD,

I was hoping that you would check out the synastry including especially the Draconics

"The synastry on its own looks pretty harmonious, all in all, maybe a bit more friendship oriented than wildly passionate with all these trines and sextiles?
Also, I noticed a lot of MC-involvement, that would indicate a potentially strong soulbond, but also maybe the opportunity to work together? Or build something together?"

Well we do have a t-square with her Moon square my Jupiter-Saturn opposition because her Moon aspects my t-square.

Yep, but with my tendency to get stressed. I think that I prefer the trines and sextiles. I have enough stress,friction in my life with my lunar t-square alone. Of course, I have the Venus square Mars which I find an aspect that indicates that I can be impatient when it comes to love and relationships.

"I had to grin when I saw her Sun was tightly conjunct your Eris. How fitting!
After all you are "Mister Eris", and her Sun conjuncting it must evoke a strong resonance in you."

hahahahaha yeah. She actually has Sun conjunct Eris less than 2 1/2 degree orb. It does have affinity with my Sun oppose/conjunct Geocentric Eris Nodes.

"There also seems to be an emphasis on nurturing and caring (Moon and Ceres) as well as communication (Mercury and Haumea maybe, too? You know better than me about Haumea though. It could also be that I mistake Haumea for Makemake here, but one of them wasn`t about creativity and communication. or am I wrong about that?)"

Makemake was the one that Philip Sedgwick associated with comunications and creativity. I think Haumea is also associated with creativity as well as aspects of the feminine. Also Philip Sedgwick said something about rock solid integrity.

"What seems to be missing a bit are Mars aspects. In addition to a very harmonious synastry otherwise it could be difficult to "get the relationship going", as maybe the drive and energy to do so is lacking, or in other words, it may develop slowly into a friendship and then from a friendship maybe into more."

I was wondering about my Mars square Uranus with 1'23 orb in Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude). That would seem like a valid aspect. I am actually concerned about the instability of that aspect. On the other hand, I think that it would be great for being very stimulating.

I also left out 8th harmonic aspects ,but I think that they might matter. Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers use them.

I have the following:

8TH HARMONIC
My Sun sesquiquadrate her Mercury – '07
Her Venus semisquare my Mars – '17 ('05 in Right Ascension)
Her Asc sesquiquadrate my MC – '53
My Jupiter semisquare her Pluto – '01
My Venus semisquare her Saturn - '49

"The Draconic interaspects (I am referring to the Neptunian ones) indicate a spiritual theme, for both of you.
Also Draco Sun opposing Draco Juno with such a tight orb could indicate that there was a past life marriage or relationship between the two of you.
Do these Draco planets link to tropical planets? That would be the spots / places where the past life interaction "seeps" into the current incarnation."

Well.....I am very attracted to her lightworker traits. A lightworker type is the type of woman that I should be with in the first place. I believe that the woman that I am meant to be with will be very spiritually oriented woman who share my interest in metaphysical interests and support me in my neurodiversity advocacy which includes helping the Indigo,Crystal types. She could be the type that relates to the Indigo,Crystal.

"BTW what orb do you use for the Transneptunians like Varuna or Haumea or Dwarf planet Ceres in synastry?"

I use 5 minutes of arc maximum for Sedna.....I even think that the orbs might need to be less than 1 minute of arc because of its 11,000 year orbit
I use 15 minutes of arc maximum for Eris
I use 20 - 25 minutes of arc for Haumea, Makemake,Quaoar,Varuna
I use 30 minutes of arc for Pluto,Orcus,Ixion
I use 3 degrees for Ceres because it's located between Mars and Jupiter and is a dwarf planet.

"And am I right in that you allow 5 degrees for personal planets aspecting each other (up to Saturn I guess)?"

I use a 5 degree orb for aspects that involve Sun,Moon,Ascendant,and Midheaven
I use 4 degree orb for aspects that involve Mercury,Venus,Mars,Jupiter,and Saturn
I use 2 degree orb for Uranus
I use 1 degree orb for Neptune
I use 30 minutes of arc for Pluto

Right Ascension which is the other longitude. Aspects that seem out of orb in ecliptic longitude could be in orb in Right Ascension.
Clairvision Astrologers even say it's the Manifestation chart.

I had Mars sextile Mars with my exgf Meghann and no other Mars aspects, and the sexual chemistry was off the charts. There was a lot of passion,intensity between us. She and I had an overall harmonious synastry too. She and I even had a 99 Cosmodyne score.
However, I wonder about the t-square of my Ceres with her Venus square Ceres. She pretty much gave up on our relationship because of her man-disliking mother.

What do you think of Julie's Venus conjunct my Chiron? Of course, I don't share the Magi Society's view of it.

Do you think Heliocentric Aspects matter in any way? I read that Heliocentric Chart has to do with Higher Self.

I noticed the following aspects between our heliocentric charts, but I left them out. I wasn't sure if they mattered.

Her Earth conjunct my Uranus - 1'44
Her Earth oppose my Eris - '00
Her Earth oppose my Chiron - '41
Her Venus conjunct my Mars - 1'52
Her Mars conjunct my Eris - '06
Her Mars conjunct my Chiron - '47
Her Mars oppose my Uranus - 1'38
Her Mars trine my Venus - 2'00
Her Mars trine my Jupiter - 1'31
Her Jupiter oppose my Mars - 1'31
Her Saturn oppose my Mars - ''54
her Ceres trine my Mars - 2'55
Her Ceres trine my Chiron - 1'19

My Mars links to her Venus oppose Jupiter-Saturn
Her Earth-Mars opposition links to my Uranus oppose Chiron-Eris
Her Mars links to my Venus-Jupiter trine Chiron,sextile Uranus

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 04, 2010 08:13 AM         

"Well we do have a t-square with her Moon square my Jupiter-Saturn opposition because her Moon aspects my t-square."
Yes, I noticed that. This would of course indicate some "tension" (though tension can also be "sparks").
Personally I made the experience that Moon square Saturn (I have it in a friendship) can be extremely binding; you stick together for better or worse.
But of course it depends on each individual. My friend and me have similiar perceptions on friendship, and loyalty and absolute commitment to the friendship plays a significant role for us both.

"Yep, but with my tendency to get stressed. I think that I prefer the trines and sextiles."
Yes, I think the trines and sextiles may have a relaxing influence. especially if there are trines and sextiles to your T-square of her chart. These may indicate areas where through knowing her the tension may ease up a little.

"ly has Sun conjunct Eris less than 2 1/2 degree orb. It does have affinity with my Sun oppose/conjunct Geocentric Eris Nodes. "
I find that you cannot emphasise the importance of these resonances enough.
They really draw people together and sometimes hold them together, and will indicate an important theme of the relationship. So I guess Eris-themes might play a significant role, which is fitting, as it is personally important to both of you.
I wonder if Meghann had strong Eris aspects.

"I think Haumea is also associated with creativity as well as aspects of the feminine. Also Philip Sedgwick said something about rock solid integrity."
I like that.
Also if it deals with feminity it supports the nurturing (Ceres and Moon) as well as Venus aspects I think.

"I was wondering about my Mars square Uranus with 1'23 orb in Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude). That would seem like a valid aspect. I am actually concerned about the instability of that aspect. On the other hand, I think that it would be great for being very stimulating."
I somehow missed that. Sorry. Of course that is a strong Mars aspect.
You have Mars in Aquarius in RA, too?
Maybe that would make it easier to deal with the Uranus square, experiencing it as stimulation rather than being completely shocked by it?
I do understand your concerns about eventual instability and unpredictability though. I don`t like Uranus squares in synastry myself despite having Moon in Aquarius. lol

"I also left out 8th harmonic aspects ,but I think that they might matter."
Yes, if they are tight, they seem to add to patterns.

"Her Venus semisquare my Mars – '17 ('05 in Right Ascension)"
Forget what I said about the lack of Mars aspects and passion. LOL
How strong, compared to Ptolemaic aspects, do you think 8th harmonic aspects are?

"very attracted to her lightworker traits."
That sounds very (positively) Neptunian to me.
Just like the Neptune aspects in Draco suggest.
I do think that Draco aspects mean more than just past life interaction. Since they relate to the nodal axis, they might reflect our lifepath as a whole, maybe show where we can connect to our spiritual Self.

"Clairvision Astrologers even say it's the Manifestation chart."
What do they mean by that?

That the "normal" chart is the chart of potential, and the RA shows what actually WILL BE?

"I had Mars sextile Mars with my exgf Meghann and no other Mars aspects, and the sexual chemistry was off the charts."
Yes, but you had several other indications of sexual chemistry, too.
I wouldn`t rely on Mars as the only indicator. I note it if it is scarcely aspected in synastry, but then I look for other aspects, too, especially Venus and Mars, but also Sun, Moon and ASC relating to the 5th and 8th houses. But I realize that the houses are a "vague" concept, with all the diversity inherent (well, does that mean this discussion would relate to Eris?)

"hat do you think of Julie's Venus conjunct my Chiron? Of course, I don't share the Magi Society's view of it."
Neither do I.
I don`t believe in "Cinderella" aspects in the fairy tale sense.
I do believe though that Venus-Chiron *could* be indicative of "true love" (though it depends on how you define "true love" of course), or let`s rather say "healing love".
In the worst case scenario it could also indicate the "wounding love" though.
I just never know what it is with Chiron.

What I came to believe is that Chiron indicates a place of utmost vulnerability and openness. This can lead to wounding or healing, sometimes to both.
Probably you have to acknowledge you are wounded for the healing to start, and after that you can be a teacher, a guide for people with similiar wounding experiences.
If it is Venus that makes the connection, chances are that there will be much affection and attraction in play.
But I am not really sure about that.
Just guessing here.

"Do you think Heliocentric Aspects matter in any way? I read that Heliocentric Chart has to do with Higher Self."
It could be, yes. I am not sure. But if I read it, I would read it as a Higher Self chart, too.
I find the points interesting where helio planets touch tropical ones; by tapping into these tropical planets, you may open a door / channel to your Higher SElf, or the Higher Self might be channelled through these "earthly" experiences.

In my case Helio Angel is exactly conjunct my Amor. I imagine that by giving this kind of unconditional forgiving love, I connect with my own Higher Self. Funnily enough tropical Scepticus is there, t oo.
Maybe loving scepticism is a keyword for me here.

Helio to Helio in synastry might indicate the interconnection of the HIgher SElves, but will you become aware of what is happening on that plane?

"Her Venus conjunct my Mars - 1'52"
Her Mars trine my Venus - 2'00"
Seems your Higher Selves are crazy about each other.

posted September 04, 2010 12:31 PM         

Meghann had 4th/7th house ruler Mercury conjunct Eris with 1'42 orb.

In Right Ascension chart, she had Mars conjunct Eris with 2'34 orb and Eris trine Midheaven with 53 minutes of arc.

"You have Mars in Aquarius in RA, too?
Maybe that would make it easier to deal with the Uranus square, experiencing it as stimulation rather than being completely shocked by it?
I do understand your concerns about eventual instability and unpredictability though. I don`t like Uranus squares in synastry myself despite having Moon in Aquarius. lol"

I have Mars in Aquarius in both ecliptic longitude and Right Ascension.
I have Mars sesquiquadrate Uranus with 18 minutes of arc in Right Ascension.

"I also left out 8th harmonic aspects ,but I think that they might matter."
Yes, if they are tight, they seem to add to patterns.

"Her Venus semisquare my Mars – '17 ('05 in Right Ascension)"
"Forget what I said about the lack of Mars aspects and passion. LOL"

Right on! LOL

How strong, compared to Ptolemaic aspects, do you think 8th harmonic aspects are?"

Good question. I am not sure. Robert Hand said that a semisquare,sesquiquadrate under 1 degree is stronger than a 5 degree orb square.
The Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers seem to think that semisquare,sesquiquadrate is more event-oriented than a trine and sextile.

"I do think that Draco aspects mean more than just past life interaction. Since they relate to the nodal axis, they might reflect our lifepath as a whole, maybe show where we can connect to our spiritual Self."

I agree

"Clairvision Astrologers even say it's the Manifestation chart."
What do they mean by that?
That the "normal" chart is the chart of potential, and the RA shows what actually WILL BE?"

Right ascension charts – what they mean

How does the meaning of a right ascension chart differ from a normal chart?

To answer this question, some say that the celestial equator is a more 'earthy' reference than the ecliptic. This makes sense, for the celestial equator is the projection of the earth's equator on the celestial sphere, while the ecliptic is the path of the Sun.

Consequently, they regard the right ascension chart as an indication of how a person manifests the potentialities of their 'normal' (longitude-based) chart into their life. From this perspective, the 'normal' chart shows potentialities; the right ascension chart shows how these potentialities are likely to manifest in real life. Hence the motto: right ascension chart – manifestation chart.

For instance, if an aspect or a cluster of planets is really critical in a person's chart, you may want to look at their right ascension chart to see if the aspect is also present, and if it is any different.

In astrological readings, it is not rare to see people who are not like their chart! For instance, one sees charts with beautiful potentialities which are not translated into the reality of the person's life. The right ascension chart may give clues as to why and how, and also clues as to how to manifest what is in the chart.

From these indications, you may also deduct that the right ascension charts of solar returns may be quite interesting, since when doing predictions you are precisely trying to determine how influences will manifest in real life. http://astrology.clairvision.org/static/astrologymanual/Right_ascension_and_declin ation.html

:"I had Mars sextile Mars with my exgf Meghann and no other Mars aspects, and the sexual chemistry was off the charts."
Yes, but you had several other indications of sexual chemistry, too.
I wouldn`t rely on Mars as the only indicator. I note it if it is scarcely aspected in synastry, but then I look for other aspects, too, especially Venus and Mars, but also Sun, Moon and ASC relating to the 5th and 8th houses. But I realize that the houses are a "vague" concept, with all the diversity inherent (well, does that mean this discussion would relate to Eris?)"
That's true. Maybe it was the midpoints. My Mars conjunct her Venus/Uranus midpoint,and her Mars oppose my Venus/Pluto midpoint. Our Suns aspect each other's Venus/Mars midpoints. Her Sun,Mercury,and Mars was in my 8th, and my Sun,Mercury,and Venus was in her 8th.
I guess the discussion could relate to Eris

"I don`t believe in "Cinderella" aspects in the fairy tale sense.
I do believe though that Venus-Chiron *could* be indicative of "true love" (though it depends on how you define "true love" of course), or let`s rather say "healing love".
In the worst case scenario it could also indicate the "wounding love" though.
I just never know what it is with Chiron."

I agree with you 100 percent. I definitely hope that it can end up being "true love" even though neither of us love each right now because we just got acquainted with each other.

"What I came to believe is that Chiron indicates a place of utmost vulnerability and openness. This can lead to wounding or healing, sometimes to both.
Probably you have to acknowledge you are wounded for the healing to start, and after that you can be a teacher, a guide for people with similiar wounding experiences.
If it is Venus that makes the connection, chances are that there will be much affection and attraction in play.
But I am not really sure about that.
Just guessing here."

I agree with all that.

"I find the points interesting where helio planets touch tropical ones; by tapping into these tropical planets, you may open a door / channel to your Higher SElf, or the Higher Self might be channelled through these "earthly" experiences."

"In my case Helio Angel is exactly conjunct my Amor. I imagine that by giving this kind of unconditional forgiving love, I connect with my own Higher Self. Funnily enough tropical Scepticus is there, t oo.
Maybe loving scepticism is a keyword for me here."

Since we're talking about Angel, My Heliocentric Angel is in 10'45 Gemini conjunct my Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini. My Heliocentric Gawain is in 10'30 Gemini. Therefore I have a conjunction Heliocentric Angel,Heliocentric Gawain,and Midheaven in Gemini. My Moon in 3'10 Pisces conjunct my Heliocentric South Angel Node in 2'28 Pisces. My Lancelot is in 3'12 Pisces. Therefore, I have a conjunction of Moon,Lancelot,and Heliocentric Angel South Node. My aim in life,career involves my angelic higher self. My emotional nature in connection to a pastlife collective Angelic Higher Self. Both involve being a knight in shining armor in some way.

You know what's freaky

In her book REALMS OF THE EARTH ANGELS,Doreen Virtue wrote about Knights Paladin. She said that they are half Angel and half wise one. Knights Paladin represent the protective guardian side of angels and represent Archangel Michael's sword-wielding energy. Knights Paladin are the custodians of orderliness, and the upholders of truth, sacred secets, and civility. They're chivalrous and polite, yet they can also be staunch and unyielding when their values are threatened. Many Knights Paladin are drawn to armed forces,security,and police work, which are modern equivalents of knight orders. Modern-day Knights Paladin must follow the orders of their internal guidance. Knights Paladin make wonderful advocates and activists who champion the causes they believe in. She said that Knights Paladin have a lifelong fascination with knights,suits of armor,stories of the Round Table,dragons,and jousting. They love video games,books,and movies involving wartime strategies,sword fights,and redemption. Famous Knights Paladin include Joan of Arc, King Arthur, King David, and Sir Lancelot.

What do you think? Even though I now embrace the lightworker label, I haven't embraced the Earth Angel label that involves being an incarnated angel. Should I embrace it?
Should I also embrace the Knights Paladin label?

This is our heliocentric to geocentric Synastry
orbs 1 degree
I use tighter orbs for outer objects like 30 minutes of arc except for outer transneptunians like Eris and especially Sedna

My Heliocentric Eris conjunct her Geocentric Sun - '00
My Heliocentric Eris conjunct her Geocentric Mars - '03
Her Heliocentric Ceres conjunct my Geocentric South Lunar Node - '01

"Helio to Helio in synastry might indicate the interconnection of the HIgher SElves, but will you become aware of what is happening on that plane?"

I believe that she and I can. We're both very spiritual types.

:"Her Venus conjunct my Mars - 1'52"
Her Mars trine my Venus - 2'00"
Seems your Higher Selves are crazy about each other"

Well..I hope that she and I can be. Right now, we're just acquainted with each other. Only time will tell.

I will post my Solar Return chart soon. I am in the last quarter of my current Solar Return period.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 04, 2010 06:12 PM         

"Meghann had 4th/7th house ruler Mercury conjunct Eris with 1'42 orb.

In Right Ascension chart, she had Mars conjunct Eris with 2'34 orb and Eris trine Midheaven with 53 minutes of arc. "

Aren´t those orbs too wide? Or do you use wider orbs with Eris in natal than synastry?

"From this perspective, the 'normal' chart shows potentialities; the right ascension chart shows how these potentialities are likely to manifest in real life."
So following this thought the aspects that appear in "normal" natal chart and RA will be the ones that give real insight about the personality?
And they are more likely to manifest in life?

" en though neither of us love each right now because we just got acquainted with each other. "
Of course, we are just talking from an astrological perspective of potentialities.

"Both involve being a knight in shining armor in some way."
Yes, I would see it that way.

"What do you think? Even though I now embrace the lightworker label, I haven't embraced the Earth Angel label that involves being an incarnated angel."
I definitely think the description fits you to a T.
BUT I have some difficulties with the label of Earth Angel, incarnated angels and such.
Just doesn`t resonate with me.
I do believe in angels, but I don`t believe they reincarnate, and if they do, they are no angels anymore.
Maybe it`s just that I see angel more in the original sense of the greek word ANGELOS - messenger.
In my, maybe simplistic view, angels are part of the spiritual realm and guiding, protecting us, giving us messages and sending us synchronicities, but I don`t believe they are walking among us in a "physical shell".
An earth angel, to me, is someone who seems to embody "angelic" qualities and is very helpful and supportive here on earth, but still very much human and part of our physical sphere.
But that is just how I see it. I cannot prove it, but then again how do you prove something like this anyway?

"My Heliocentric Eris conjunct her Geocentric Sun - '00
My Heliocentric Eris conjunct her Geocentric Mars - '03"
And again we have an emphasis on Eris!

"Her Heliocentric Ceres conjunct my Geocentric South Lunar Node - '01"
I like that! Almost like in a spiritual sense she is supporting you on your path.

"I believe that she and I can. We're both very spiritual types. "
Yes, I think it is easier to feel it, if you are spiritually inclined and aware.
But I still think that these helio aspects that are being "filtered" through tropical are probably easier to access.

"Only time will tell."
Yes, definitely.

It`s not like it is written in the stars.

posted September 04, 2010 06:31 PM         

Anyway I guess the listing would look like this:

his to mine

(1) tropical synastry
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Ceres square Moon 1-55
Node trine MC -54
Node opposite Mars 1-02
Node conjunct DESC 2-52
Chiron trine MC 2-35
Chiron opposite Mars 2-27
Chiron conjunct DESC -37
Chiron opposite Node 2-32
Chiron square Ceres 2-00

Varuna sextile Chiron -16
Orcus sextile MC - 05
Orcus trine Mars -07
Sun trine ASC 4-27
Sun trine Node 1-19
Venus trine Mercury -09
Venus trine Sun 1-03

Makemake opposite BML -08
Mercury square Mars 3-19
MErcury suare ASC 1-28
Mercury square Node 1-41
Mercury trine Venus 2-22
Mercury opposite Ceres 1-08
Mercury opposite Jupiter 2-43

Saturn trine Ceres -27
Saturn trine Jupiter 1-04
Quaoar trine Saturn - 24
Quaoar trine Juno -25
Ixion trine Saturn - 23
Ixion trine Juno -24

Uranus conjunct Node -33
Uranus square Ceres 0-00
Uranus square Jupiter 1-35
Neptune sextile BML -23
Jupiter square MC -44
Jupiter conjunct Venus 1-56
BML conjunct BML -41

I found it pretty interesting that his Ixion/Quaoar conjunction in Scorpio makes a Grand trine with my Ceres/Jupiter-conjunction in Pisces and my Saturn in Cancer.

(b) declinations
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Node parallel Saturn -58
Node parallel DESC -30
Node contra Neptune -32
Node contra Node 1-00
Chiron contra Ceres -29

Orcus contra BML -05
Sun contra Ceres -04
Juno contra Moon -31
Juno parallel Orcus -02
Juno parallel Pluto -04
Haumea contra Venus-26
Saturn parallel Varuna -17
Quaoar contra Pluto -14
Mars parallel Mars -26
Mars parallel ASC -41
Uranus parallel Node -06
Uranus contra Saturn -04
Uranus parallel Mars -39
Uranus parallel ASC -30
Neptune parallel Node -16
Neptune contra Saturn -18
Neptune parallel ASC -16
Jupiter parallel Sun -01
Jupiter parallel Venus - 43

occultations
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Node / DESC
Uranus / Node
(Uranus / ASC - the conjunction of his Uranus and my ASC is a bit over 2 degrees though)
Jupiter / Venus

(2) midpoints
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his Mercury = my Saturn / Uranus -40
his Mars = my Venus / Pluto -27
his Node = my Chiron / Saturn -39
his Node = my Venus / URanus -24

my MOon = his Pluto / Node -17
my Moon = his Sun / Venus 1-06
my Mars = his Chiron / Node -43
my Mars= his Saturn / Neptune -38
my Node = his Mars / Neptune -51
my ASC = his Jupiter / SAturn -06
my MC = his MErcury / Pluto -59
my Pluto = his Venus / Mars -07

(3) Right accension
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I am only mentioning the "new ones":

his Ceres sextile my Saturn -36
his Node square my Makemake -07
his Varuna sextile my Eris -14
his Venus sextile my Uranus 1-43
his Venus opposite my BML 1-18
his MErcury square my Neptune -53
his Saturn sextile my Venus -142
his Quaoar trine my Ceres -26
his Mars trine my Saturn 1-42
his Mars square my Moon 1-58
his Mars trine my Juno -14
his BML square my Mars -03
his BML square my ASC 2-08

posted September 04, 2010 06:37 PM         

his Dr Sun conjunct my Dr Moon -24

his Dr Sun conjunct my DESC -19
his Dr Uranus conjunct my MC -30
his DR Juno opposite my Neptune -45
his Dr Juno conjunct my South node -58

my Dr Moon conjunct his Chiron -41
my Dr Ceres opposite his Neptune -27

(5) heliocentric comparision
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his Ceres opposite my Uranus -31
his Juno trine my Juno -34
his Makemake sextile my Uranus -01
his Venus sextile my Saturn -40
his Haumea sextile my Mars -16
his Haumea opposite my Jupiter -24
his Saturn trine my Saturn 1-16
his Mercury trine my Juno 2-07
his Mars square my Pluto -33

my helio Mars conjunct his Mars -56
his helio Mars conjunct my Venus -34
- now that is interesting

(6) 9th harmonic and 8th harmonic aspects (tropical)
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his Sun binovile my Uranus -07
his Venus novile my MC -05
(of course all the trines belong here, too, as a trine is a trinovile)

his Sun sexisquare my Sun -32

his Venus semissquare my Pluto -48
his Mars semisquare my Pluto 1-02
(the corresponding midpoint picture his Venus/Mars conjunct my Pluto has an orb of only 7 minutes)

posted September 04, 2010 06:49 PM         

I use wider orbs in natal
I use the same orb for all the big transneptunian objects including even Pluto and Eris

3 degree for conjunction,opposition,square,trine
2 degree for sextile
1 degree for semisextile,quincunx,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile

I check both regular chart and Right Ascension

When it comes to synastry orbs,
the slower,outer the object, the narrower the orbs to the point that Sedna gets the smallest orb of 5 minutes, but I even think it has to be under 1 minute with its 11,000 year orbit

"From this perspective, the 'normal' chart shows potentialities; the right ascension chart shows how these potentialities are likely to manifest in real life."
So following this thought the aspects that appear in "normal" natal chart and RA will be the ones that give real insight about the personality?
And they are more likely to manifest in life?"

That's what the Clairvision Astrologers say, but I disagree with them. I believe that the normal natural chart manifests too, but I do believe the Right Ascension chart does too. I am making it a habit of checking both charts, especially if checking if any aspects appear to be out of orb are actually in orb in Right Ascension. My Sun oppose Sedna in 3'15 orb in regular chart is 44 minutes of arc in Right Ascension. A more extreme one. Pluto trine Midheaven of almost 10 1/2 degree orb is 2 1/2 degree orb in Right Ascension.

"BUT I have some difficulties with the label of Earth Angel, incarnated angels and such.
Just doesn`t resonate with me.
I do believe in angels, but I don`t believe they reincarnate, and if they do, they are no angels anymore.
Maybe it`s just that I see angel more in the original sense of the greek word ANGELOS - messenger.
In my, maybe simplistic view, angels are part of the spiritual realm and guiding, protecting us, giving us messages and sending us synchronicities, but I don`t believe they are walking among us in a "physical shell".
An earth angel, to me, is someone who seems to embody "angelic" qualities and is very helpful and supportive here on earth, but still very much human and part of our physical sphere.
But that is just how I see it. I cannot prove it, but then again how do you prove something like this anyway?"

Good points,and I agree

oh...speaking of messenger, I have Hermes in
3'16 Pisces Retrograde. I was actually a messenger in the Navy. My job rating was Radioman which is telecommunications operator. The conjunction is in 6th house of work,service. My Sun in 5'20 Scorpio is conjunct Geocentric South Hermes Node in 5'07 Scorpio. My Earth in 5'20 Taurus conjunct Heliocentric North Hermes Node in 4'54 Taurus. A very strong Hermes influence suggesting very strong messenger theme.

"I like that! Almost like in a spiritual sense she is supporting you on your path."

Yeah...I like that too.

"But I still think that these helio aspects that are being "filtered" through tropical are probably easier to access."

Yes...I agree

"It`s not like it is written in the stars.

Just kidding, but I hope you know what I mean."

I know what you mean.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 05, 2010 05:57 AM         

" believe that the normal natural chart manifests too, but I do believe the Right Ascension chart does too"
I agree. I think in most cases if an astrologer thinks the normal chart isn`t manifesting, they are missing something.

"3'16 Pisces Retrograde."
So Hermes is conjunct your Moon?
And yes, I agree, strong theme in your chart.

posted September 05, 2010 10:21 PM         

Did you do a composite? I have learned that synastry mean one thing, and composite another... Sorry if I missed it, I was reading this thread pretty fast.

posted September 05, 2010 11:16 PM         

Raymond

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posted September 07, 2010 07:32 PM         

I have the following my natal Chart

conjunction of:
Eros in 29'08 Libra (Greek God of Love)
Freia in 29'09 Libra (Norse Goddess of Love)
Destinn in 29'32 Libra

sextile Union in 28'08 Sagittarius

Julie has the following in her natal chart:

Eros in 28'44 Aquarius
sextile Union in 29'45 Sagittarius

She and I both have Eros sextile Union

My Eros-Freia-Destinn trine her Eros and sextile her Union which is conjunct my Union

Her Moon is in 7'48 Pisces
trine her Hera in 8'53 Cancer

Guess where my Hera is at??

7'59 Cancer, and so it conjuncts her Hera and trines her Moon

I also find it interesting that her Juno trines my Moon, and my Hera (Greek counterpart of Juno) trines her Moon.

lets see
what else

My Cupido is in 10'26 Virgo (Roman God of Love)
trine her Destinn in 9'52 Capricorn
sextile her Hera in 8'53 Cancer (Greek Goddess of Love)
(Wedge)

Her Cupido is in 20'39 Taurus (Roman God of Love)
sextile her Mercury in 20'12 Pisces
oppose my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio
(Wedge)

My Amor is in 5'23 Leo
sextile my Saturn in 5'08 Gemini R
sextile her Saturn in 5'57 Libra R
sextile her Jupiter in 4'35 Libra R
(Minor Grand Trine)

Her Frigga in 9'31 Gemini R (Norse Goddess of Marriage)
trine my Aphrodite in 9'46 Aquarius (Greek Goddess of Love)
trine/sextile my Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo

Her Amor in 2'36 Aries
conjunct my Frigga in 1'22 Aries R
(conjunct My Moon/Sedna midpoint in 2'38 Aries.....I have Moon in 3'10 Pisces sextile Sedna in 2'06 Taurus)

I checked Asteroid Draconics
conjunction,opposition within 1 degree

Her Draconic Moon in 28'56 Libra
conjunct my Draconic Cupido in 29'57 Libra
conjunct my Eros in 29'08 Libra (Greek God of Love)
conjunct my Freia in 29'09 Libra (Norse Goddess of Love)
conjunct my Destinn in 29'32 Libra

Her Draconic Valentine in 10'20 Libra
oppose my Chiron in 10'32 Aries R

My Draconic Valentine in 16'34 Taurus R
conjunct her Chiron in 15'40 Taurus

(Draconic Valentine-Chiron double whammy)

Her Draconic Aphrodite in 14'29 Leo
conjunct my Ceres in 13'57 Leo
oppose/conjunct my Vertex in 14'58 Aquarius/Leo

My Draconic Frigga in 20'53 Taurus (Norse Goddess of Marriage)
conjunct her Cupido in 20'39 Taurus (Roman God of Love)
oppose her MC/IC in 20'47 Scorpio/Taurus
oppose my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio

Her Draconic Cupido in 11'46 Capricorn
conjunct my draconic Venus in 11'17 Capricorn

I also checked the following asteroids
Angel, Angelica,and Angel as well as Doreen because of our mutual interest in Angels. She's very much into Doreen Virtue stuff,and she wants to be certified angel reader

I also checked Reiki,Aura,Psyche,Spirit,Fay

Her Spirit in 26'09 Scorpio R
sextile my Juno in 26'26 Virgo

My Doreen in '36 Pisces
conjunct her Part of Fortune in '01 Pisces

Her Doreen in 15'28 Scorpio
oppose my Part of Fortune in 15'36 Capricorn

Doreen-Part of Fortune double whammy...very interesting!

Her Angelina in 8'32 Aquarius
conjunct my Angelica in 9'07 Aquarius
sextile my Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius

Her Aura in 22'39 Gemini
trine my Aura in 22'37 Libra
(our auras are in harmony...I really like that!)

Her Angel in 22'32 Capricorn
sextile my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio
it quincuxes her Aura in 22'39 Gemini
Yod

Her Atlantis in 25'50 Libra R
trine my Mars in 25'54 Aquarius

My Atlantis in 12'10 Sagittarius
trine her Venus in 11'12 Aries
trine her Sun in 12'29 Aries
trine her Mars in 12'32 Aries

I find it interesting that her Atlantis trines my anima planet (Venus) and my Atlantis trines her animus planet (Mars)

Her Angelica in 27'23 Sagittarius
oppose my Angel in 27'43 Gemini R
squares my Juno in 26'26 Virgo
T-Square

Her Psyche in 21'02 Gemini
sextile my Fay in 20'32 Leo

Her Fay in 25'08 Taurus
square my Mars in 25'54 Aquarius

DRACONICS

Her Draconic Angel in 13'39 Virgo
conjunct/oppose my Asc/Desc in 13'26 Virgo/Pisces

Her Draconic Aura in 13'46 Aquarius
oppose my Ceres in 13'57 Leo

My Draconic Spirit in 26'40 Scorpio
conjunct her Spirit in 26'09 Scorpio R

My Draconic Reiki in 25'33 Taurus R
conjunct her Fay in 25'08 Taurus

My Draconic Psyche in 24'57 Libra
conjunct her Atlantis in 25'50 Libra

My Draconic Angelina in 18'14 Capricorn
oppose her Draconic Spirit in 17'16 Cancer R

My Draconic Angelica in 28'37 Pisces
oppose her Draconic Angelina in 29'40 Virgo

I guess I shouldn't have underestimated the minor asteroids. Man....very interesting stuff!

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 07, 2010 08:08 PM         

Another great circle is the Meridian. This circle goes through the north and south points of the horizon; the north and south poles of the Equator; and the zenith (directly above) and nadir (directly below the observer). Yet another great circle is called the Prime Vertical. It goes through the zenith and nadir and the east and west points of the horizon. An unnamed great circle goes through the north and south poles of Earth and the east and west points of the horizon.

The traditional four angles of the horoscope (Ascendant, Midheaven, IC and Descendant) are all intersections of great circles. All are treated as sensitive points by most astrologers. Using the East Point and Antivertex merely extends the basic principle of angles.

The intersection of the ecliptic with the Prime Vertical in the east forms the Antivertex; in the west that intersection marks the Vertex. The East Point is the intersection of the ecliptic with the unnamed great circle passing through the east and west points of the horizon and the north and south poles of Earth, and the West Point is its western opposition. The East Point has also been called the Equatorial Ascendant because it is the Ascendant on the Equator at the sidereal time of birth.

Both the East Point and Antivertex can be interpreted as auxiliary Ascendants. That is, they function as additional keys to one’s basic identity, action, energy, drive and self-expression.

They do not seem to be AS important as the actual Ascendant, but do offer useful clues to major themes in the nature of the individual. Either angle requires more attention when a planet falls closely conjunct it. This is almost as significant as having that planet conjunct the Ascendant. The planet(s) involved denote major, keynote principles of that individual’s sense of self, identity, assertion and being in the world.

THE WEST SIDE STORY

If the East Point and Antivertex operate as auxiliary Ascendants, then logically the West Point (opposite the East Point) and the Vertex (opposite the Antivertex) operate as auxiliary Descendants. Again, they are not usually as important as the actual Descendant, but do imply themes. If repeated elsewhere in the chart, the themes are significant.

The Descendant, Vertex and West Point are all keys to our close, committed relationships. They symbolize the feelings and experiences we seek through close others (spouses, live-in partners, therapists, etc). Often, they operate as points of projection, that is, these angles can point to qualities we tend to meet first through other people; attributes of ourselves we may learn to face through seeing someone else express the energy. The danger with projection is overdoing. If one person in a relationship is “doing it for” someone else, the first person is likely to do TOO MUCH of whatever the quality is.

So, each angle axis—Ascendant/Descendant; East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex relates to that basic self/other polarity. Each gives us clues about balancing self-will and independent action with sharing and committing to others. Generally, it is easiest to personally identify with the eastern end of each axis. It is easiest to disown and see as “out there” (in other people) the western end.

This potential of “giving away” a part of who we are and unconsciously attracting other people to manifest that missing side contributes to what has been called the “fated” quality of the Vertex. Where other people are involved, we have less control and less power than where we are concerned only with our actions and attitudes as an individual. People who externalize responsibility for their own lives call such interactions “fated.” I prefer to operate within the world view that life is a mirror; we attract people we can learn from. Everyone in our lives is teaching us about a part of our own nature and potentials.

Both axes then (East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex) point to a basic self/other polarity in the life that must be faced. In any opposition, the goal is integration. There is a natural complementarity. Both ends need each other to be fully effective. There are two major dangers with any opposition (polarity) in the horoscope. One danger is swinging from one extreme to the other. It is not uncommon for people to overdo one end of a polarity, then—in reaction—go to the opposite extreme. Some people spend their lives flip-flopping from one end of the seesaw to the other. The second danger is projection. In that case, the individual identifies with one end of the polarity and denies its opposite. So, unconsciously, that individual attracts other people who are expressing that opposite quality. The problem is, they are usually carrying it to an extreme. So, when we see exaggerated behavior, it is a good idea to look into our own psyches at what we may be denying.
http://ccrsdodona.org/m_dilemma/1983/vir/epav.html

I checked to see the Vertex/Antivertex and East Point/West Point to see if there are any connections

My East Point/West Point in 8'00 Virgo/Pisces
oppose/conjunct Julie's Moon in 7'48 Pisces

Her Moon is conjunct my auxiliary descendant (West Point) and oppose my auxiliary ascendant (East Point)

Julie's East Point/West Point in 15'53 Aquarius/Leo
conjunct my Vertex/Antivertex in 14'58 Aquarius/Leo

Her auxiliary ascendant (East Point) is conjunct my auxiliary descendant (Vertex), and my auxiliary descendant (AntiVertex) is conjunct her auxiliary Descendant (West Point) . Of course, our auxiliary ascendants are in opposition to each other and our auxiliary descendants are in opposition to each other.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 07, 2010 08:27 PM         

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SYNASTRY

These angles, like the other angles of the horoscope, seem to be very significant in synastry or chart comparison. Since they seem to operate as very personal points (on the eastern end) and as keys to relationships (on the western end), it is quite common to find strong conjunctions and oppositions to these angles between charts. Frequently, one will find, in significant relationships, that there are angle interchanges. E.g., one person's East Point/West Point axis falls across the MC/IC axis of the other,; one person's Vertex/Antivertex axis falls across the Ascendant/Descendant axis of the other--or across the other's East Point/West Point, etc. A very common tie between charts is when the axis formed by the nodes of the Moon conjuncts and opposes one of these basic angle axis. Such contacts reiterate the potential involvement of the people and the learning each offers the other.

SUMMARY

Generally, both the Antivertex and East Point function as auxiliary Ascendants--additional keys to themes of importance in our basic identity, our self-expression in the world, our personal needs and actions. The Vertex and West Point function as keys to our relationships--the kinds of qualities we seek in relationships, the sorts of attributes we may project and unconsciously attract other people to express for us. Close aspects symbolize fundamental issues in our self expression and our one-to-one interactions.

Both axis, as oppositioons, show themes--by sign and house--where we are working to integrate, seeking the middle point. Both ends need each other. They are nature partners. We are learning to express some of each side, to support the synthesis--the best of both ends. Because of their polar nature, these angles are often important in synastry with strong contacts between charts.

Those issues which are most important for an individual will be repeated in several ways in the chart, including through aspects. The more we can be aware of the rich variety of options we have, recognizing and utilizing the many different sides of our own nature, the more fulfilling lives we can lead!

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 07, 2010 08:56 PM         

If Ascendant/Descendant and MC/IC axis can be used in midpoints, then so can the Vertex/Antivertex and East Point/West Point

I only looked at conjunction,opposition within 1 degree

Julie's Vertex/East Point in 22'30 Scorpio
conjunct my Venus in 21'47 Scorpio

Julie's Moon/East Point in 26'50 Aquarius
conjunct my Mars in 25'54 Aquarius

Julie's Sun/East Point in 14'11 Pisces
oppose my Asc in 13'26 Virgo

Julie's Venus/East Point in 13'32 Pisces
oppose my Asc in 13'26 Virgo

Julie's Mars/East Point in 14'12 Pisces
oppose my Asc in 13'26 Virgo

Julie's Jupiter/East Point in 11'13 Sagittarius
Julie's Saturn/East Point in 10'55 Sagittarius
oppose my MC in 11'14 Gemini

My MC/Vertex in 13'06 Aries
oppose her Sun in 12'29 Aries
oppose her Mars in 13'32 Aries

My Mercury/East Point in 13'10 Libra
oppose her Sun in 12'29 Aries
oppose her Mars in 12'29 Aries

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 10, 2010 11:56 AM         

I was wondering if you could give your opinions about the additional asteroid stuff.

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 12, 2010 01:27 PM         

Some thoughts.

I think it is important t hat both of you have an aspect between Eros and Union natally as it shows that you might see eye to eye in this matter. For both of you a relationship should be founded on (sensual) love.

You also have Union conjunct Union, which seems to be positive for a relationship, though it does not specify the possible n ature of the relationship / connection yet.
This comes into play with your Eros conjunct Freia conjunct Destinn. (Funny side remark: your triple conjunction is exactly conjunct my Union on 29°50 Libra lol).
Anyway, love seems to be your Destiny.
Eros as well as Freia being divine beings oflove, PLUS Aphrodite, the goddess of pleasure and sensual love, on your NN. Love DEFINITELY is an important part of your lifepath, but not only a mind-oriented or spiritual love, all these Gods and Goddesses represent the earthy, sensual side of love, too.
To be blunt, a fulfilling sexual relationship has to be present (adding to the s piritual and emotional aspect of love of course).
With two of these symbols being feminine (Freia and Aphrodite) women or the feminine principle play an important role.

Her Eros now trines your Eros, Freia and Destinn - I never know how strong the trine really is, but so far it seems like a possible harmonious, though strong erotic tie between the two of you.
Eros was also a primordial God, he is linked to creation itself, so you might even be creative together!
With both your Eros-positions in Air signs, there of course will be also a mental aspect to it, communication being a true Aphrodisiac (especially with your Aphrodite in Aquarius) as well as a friendly vibe is necessary.

Your Hera conjunct her Hera (and trine her Moon) adds a note of deep commitment (especially as it is all in water signs) to it. Also, equality will play an important role for both of you! After all Hera was very much about equality, though often her sense of dignity and need for equal partnership was being hurt by her unfaithful husband Zeus.
Yet, despite his infidelities, she was his equal partner.
I wonder if you two have Zeus aspecting Hera or Jupiter aspecting Juno.
With her Moon trining this, it is a very personal issue for her.
Especially since her Hera also opposes her Destinn.
Your Cupido aspecting this configuration seems to be a nice and sensual aspect.

Your Amor-Saturn-sextile. How strong is a sextile? I don`T know.
But the aspect could imply the seriousness in matters of love you have, and the desire for commitment.
Her Jupiter and Saturn aspect this harmoniously might add to some stability, though I don`t know how strong it is on itse own.

Your Aphrodite / NN trine her Frigga again brings a tone of commitment into play (Frigga is the Norse counterpart of Hera / Juno, am I right?)
And your Frigga conjunct her Amor.
So the symbol of commitment is aspecting asteroids of love.
Though Amor often is more on the platonic side, while Aphrodite is anything but platonic. That is interesting. Like both sides of love are being illuminated.

Aura trine Aura looks very harmonious, Your energy patterns being in synch, could make you feel very comfortable with each other, you "get" each other.

your Atlantis being trine each other`s Anima / Animus symbol is very interesting.
Have you been a couple in Atlantis?

You made me think about maybe not grouping asteroids by mythological circles (like Greek, Roman, Norse), but grouping them by THEMES through different mythological backgrounds like:

commitment:
Juno, Hera, Frigga

sensual love:
Aphrodite, (Venus), Freia
Eros, (Mars), Cupido, ?

and so on

posted September 13, 2010 06:01 PM         

Thank you very much!

I really believe that if IQ is the asteroid king, you're the asteroid queen.

I am very much into asteroids myself, but they've been taken a back seat to my interest in transneptunians.

What do you think of the Draconic synastry aspects?

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 13, 2010 08:31 PM         

There is an asteroid, Patientia as in patience

As you know, patience is something that is important in the situation with Julie

I had reading with an Angel Therapy Practitioner, and the Patience card happened to be picked from the deck in regards to a question about Julie.

check this out

In our Composite Chart:

Patientia in 20'13 Virgo in 10th
oppose Mars in 19'13 Pisces in 4th
trine Mercury in 19'16 Capricorn in 2nd
sextile/trine Asc/Desc in 19'24 Scorpio/Taurus

my Patientia in 11'42 Scorpio
conjunct her Draconic Mercury in 11'20 Scorpio

I also find it interesting that
her Draconic Patientia in 19'52 Pisces
conjunct her Mercury in 20'12 Pisces

In my 2009/2010 Solar Return chart:

Patientia in 3'42 Sagittarius in 1st
trine Mars in 5'43 Leo in 9th
square Moon in 3'43 Pisces in 4th

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.